What would be a successful run for BU in this year's tourney?

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10:41a, 3/17/23
Just curious what you all think would be considered a successful result for this Baylor team in the tourney this year?

After losing the first 3 games at the start of conference play it was beginning to look like it might be a disappointing season. Then we got on that really nice run, Tchamwa returned, Bridges came to life, and things were definitely looking up. Then the back-to-back losses to ISU brought up some new concerns.

This is a year that seems more wide open than most where it seems 10 or more teams may have a legitimate shot at the natty.

I think BU falls somewhere in the range of being a top 8 to 16 team. So I would think our floor would by reaching the Sweet 16 and our ceiling may be the Elite 8.

Tl;dr

For me:

Disappointing = BU loses in first or second round
Satisfied = BU makes Sweet 16
Great Season = BU makes Elite 8
Wow = BU makes FF or beyond
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10:50a, 3/17/23
S16, I've said for months now a S16 is gravy. Anything further is fantastic. However, with Zona losing the bottom side has really opened up. Need to capitalize on this. 1 game at a time
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11:09a, 3/17/23
If we can just get to the Sweet 16, it gets interesting. Will get even more interesting if Alabama somehow stumbles between now and the Elite 8. Doubtful - but then again the inexplicable obviously sometimes happens in the Tournament.
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11:21a, 3/17/23
With Arizona out at least the Elite Eight. To be a really successful season we need to return to The Final Four.

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11:26a, 3/17/23
Sweet 16, anything after is great.
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3:40p, 3/17/23
Well....we checked the first box. Onward and upward hopefully.
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8:10p, 3/17/23
This thing looking more and more wide open....
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10:19a, 3/18/23
S16 is a quality quality season

Anything beyond is gravy
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11:31a, 3/18/23
Any season that ends in the Sweet 16 or beyond is a successful season IMO. So I agree with pretty much everyone else here.

Make it to the second weekend, and I'll be thrilled.
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12:13p, 3/18/23
Elite 8 needed to reach potential. We were often ranked in top 10. Anything less would be disappointing.
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2:28p, 3/18/23
Sweet 16 just means we beat teams seeded below us. Getting to the Elite 8 would be what my expectation is, esp since we've been a top 10 team most of the year. Final Four is a great season, and puts us in the elite program category.
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5:37p, 3/18/23
It depends. Losing to the eventual champion is better than losing to a round 8 team loser. Making the tournament is still an achievement in my eyes.
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7:05p, 3/18/23
Way too many people picking Creighton to beat Baylor.

So I really want Baylor to beat Creighton.

As long as we are the higher seed, I want us to win. Convincingly.

Shut up idiots like Seth at CBS, for one thing ...
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7:22p, 3/18/23
Well, just got to take care of business tomorrow but the road to the final four got a whole lot easier for us
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:27p, 3/18/23
Oldbear83 said:
Way too many people picking Creighton to beat Baylor.

So I really want Baylor to beat Creighton.

As long as we are the higher seed, I want us to win. Convincingly.

Shut up idiots like Seth at CBS, for one thing ...


Don't take it personally. If you saw a team that had gone 3-4 over their last seven games and blown 2nd half leads in those losses, you might not be inclined to pick them either. We're good enough to win, but we often play bad enough to lose.
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7:30p, 3/18/23
I think we've realistically entered the conversation of "major" programs with how we've performed for an extended period of time (over a decade). In my mind there about 10-15 of them. And I think all of them would define a successful season was definitely met with a Sweet 16 appearance. Anything beyond that is gravy. Maybe UK, Duke or KU would say higher, but they would be the only 3.

But, I also hear what you're saying Limited IQ -- you can't take making the tournament for granted. That is certainly an achievement, not a right.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 7:36p, 3/18/23
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
It depends. Losing to the eventual champion is better than losing to a round 8 team loser. Making the tournament is still an achievement in my eyes.


Yep. Virginia is a recent national champion, and their other years are out in round one three times and missing the tourney the other. Nothing is guaranteed (Outside of the Anthony Davis Kentucky team).
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In reply to EvilTroyAndAbed • 7:38p, 3/18/23
EvilTroyAndAbed said:
Oldbear83 said:
Way too many people picking Creighton to beat Baylor.

So I really want Baylor to beat Creighton.

As long as we are the higher seed, I want us to win. Convincingly.

Shut up idiots like Seth at CBS, for one thing ...


Don't take it personally. If you saw a team that had gone 3-4 over their last seven games and blown 2nd half leads in those losses, you might not be inclined to pick them either. We're good enough to win, but we often play bad enough to lose.
Baylor is two years removed from a Natty and is a 3 seed, Yeah. the guys should take it personally that media hacks like Greenberg Davis pick against them the first week.

I respect Creighton but hope we win by 20+.

* correction CBS not ESPN
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:39p, 3/18/23
You actually believe that the players give a crap who Greenberg picks ? Good grief that's a moronic take
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In reply to IowaBear • 7:41p, 3/18/23
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You actually believe that the players give a crap who Greenberg picks ? Good grief that's a moronic take
Interesting choice of words from a guy who is known for quitting on the team mid-game.

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7:43p, 3/18/23
Not trying to nitpick but are we talking about Seth DAVIS of CBS or Seth GREENBERG of ESPN? Davis picked us to get beat by UCSB but I thought Greenberg had us in the Elite 8 vs. Bama? Maybe I'm the one confused though.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:44p, 3/18/23
Ahhh defer defer defer… your take is still idiotic. Only you would get your diapers in a wad when a sports anchor picks against the Bears
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In reply to IowaBear • 7:48p, 3/18/23
IowaBear said:
Ahhh defer defer defer… your take is still idiotic. Only you would get your diapers in a wad when a sports anchor picks against the Bears
No, very much on point.

And you're silly if you imagine the team doesn't follow what is said about them in the media.

But Re: Diapers, you may want to consider that just because you still wear them, does not mean the rest of us do.

Go back to Iowa, you and your wads and whining.
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In reply to DanaDane • 7:50p, 3/18/23
DanaDane said:
Not trying to nitpick but are we talking about Seth DAVIS of CBS or Seth GREENBERG of ESPN? Davis picked us to get beat by UCSB but I thought Greenberg had us in the Elite 8 vs. Bama? Maybe I'm the one confused though.
Thanks Dana, corrected
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In reply to Quicksilver • 8:12p, 3/18/23
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Sweet 16 just means we beat teams seeded below us. Getting to the Elite 8 would be what my expectation is, esp since we've been a top 10 team most of the year. Final Four is a great season, and puts us in the elite program category.
We've been ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll. That doesn't mean we've been a top-10 team. KenPom has had us in the 15 range most of the year. Our defense is legitimately bad and has been all year.
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In reply to EvilTroyAndAbed • 8:13p, 3/18/23
Yes. We list several games that we should have won, whatever that means.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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In reply to DanaDane • 8:15p, 3/18/23
DanaDane said:
I think we've realistically entered the conversation of "major" programs with how we've performed for an extended period of time (over a decade). In my mind there about 10-15 of them. And I think all of them would define a successful season was definitely met with a Sweet 16 appearance. Anything beyond that is gravy. Maybe UK, Duke or KU would say higher, but they would be the only 3.

But, I also hear what you're saying Limited IQ -- you can't take making the tournament for granted. That is certainly an achievement, not a right.

Those are interesting examples considering last year Kentucky & Duke didn't even make the tournament & this year neither Kansas nor Duke will reach the second weekend.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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In reply to DanaDane • 8:16p, 3/18/23
DanaDane said:
I think we've realistically entered the conversation of "major" programs with how we've performed for an extended period of time (over a decade). In my mind there about 10-15 of them. And I think all of them would define a successful season was definitely met with a Sweet 16 appearance. Anything beyond that is gravy. Maybe UK, Duke or KU would say higher, but they would be the only 3.

But, I also hear what you're saying Limited IQ -- you can't take making the tournament for granted. That is certainly an achievement, not a right.
The NCAA tournament is an achievement, but it's the baseline achievement for a good program.

It's OK to view that as the expectation. All good programs do.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 8:17p, 3/18/23
Oldbear83 said:
EvilTroyAndAbed said:
Oldbear83 said:
Way too many people picking Creighton to beat Baylor.

So I really want Baylor to beat Creighton.

As long as we are the higher seed, I want us to win. Convincingly.

Shut up idiots like Seth at CBS, for one thing ...


Don't take it personally. If you saw a team that had gone 3-4 over their last seven games and blown 2nd half leads in those losses, you might not be inclined to pick them either. We're good enough to win, but we often play bad enough to lose.
Baylor is two years removed from a Natty and is a 3 seed, Yeah. the guys should take it personally that media hacks like Greenberg Davis pick against them the first week.

I respect Creighton but hope we win by 20+.

* correction CBS not ESPN
Nonsense. Elite programs and coaches lose in the first round every year. Every bracket is going to have a few upset picks.

Only goofuses get upset when a media personality picks their team to be one of those upset.
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10:37p, 3/18/23
Successful would be only losing to a 1 or 2 seeded team, if at all. At this point that means EE or better.
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10:47p, 3/18/23
I can't ignore the draw right in front of us. Elite eight I would say based on how this is setting up.
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10:48p, 3/18/23
Tomorrow is going to be very challenging. I don't care about anything other tomorrow. We have the ability to bomb them out of the gym AND the ability to make Creighton look like Marquette.
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In reply to BUAL • 10:54p, 3/18/23
Agree, Creighton is very good and they don't beat themselves. So many teams I've seen today either can't execute or just cannot shoot. Creighton can do both, will be tough
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In reply to Quinton • 11:00p, 3/18/23
Quinton said:
Agree, Creighton is very good and they don't beat themselves. So many teams I've seen today either can't execute or just cannot shoot. Creighton can do both, will be tough
Creighton was only 3-9 in Quad 1 games this year, but most of those losses were pretty close.

We've played and beaten several teams that were better. If we bring our 'A' game, I like our chances. If we don't, we're going to have trouble.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 11:03p, 3/18/23
You have to take that in context. I'd assume several of those losses were without Kalkbrenner. They're a much much better team with him than without. They lost like 5 in a row without him
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