Could This Year's Team

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BUCANDOIT82
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Rival our NCAA Tournament team? I think it has a chance. Less experience, but more talent. And this team has a Senior point guard, so it has experience.
chorne68
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I hope so but would not bet on it.
Big12Bear
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We added the MAC/Mid-Major Player of the Year and a veteran defensive specialist who can also score and shoots damn near 40% from three. Deepest team we've ever had.

I don't think the "experts" really know how to rank us. How will EJ and Love bounce back with the extra time to heal? Don't know except they will be better than what we saw last year.
Crawfoso1973
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No team will ever again have the same experience as our Natty team, due to NIL and the perfect storm of COVID allowing us to have those guys back another year.

Luckily our current team won't have to compete against our 2020-21 team, rather the current NCAA landscape. I like our chances.
Crawfoso1973
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Ja'Kobe and Missi also. One-and-done guys who are equally engaged on the defensive end.
Big12Bear
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Crawfoso1973 said:

Ja'Kobe and Missi also. One-and-done guys who are equally engaged on the defensive end.
Can't wait to see those guys. From everything I've seen thus far, love their game. Also excited to see what Miro and Grimes have to offer.
BUCANDOIT82
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Crawfoso1973 said:

No team will ever again have the same experience as our Natty team, due to NIL and the perfect storm of COVID allowing us to have those guys back another year.

Luckily our current team won't have to compete against our 2020-21 team, rather the current NCAA landscape. I like our chances.


No one on the Natty team played that year with an extra Covid year. All were eligible under the old rules.
Crawfoso1973
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My bad, I misspoke. We had those guys in the lab together all those months, building team chemistry. Those circumstances will never happen again.
historian
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Our natty team:
1. Tons of talent in all aspects of the game (ball hawks, 3 point shooting, defense, etc)
2. National DPoY
3. Lots of experience (2+ years at Baylor & transfers with experience elsewhere)
4. Best 3 point shooting team in the country: at one point, they were saying we had 5-6 players shooting 40% or better from 3
5. Incredible chemistry
6. Team cohesion enhanced by being in the bubble
7. Mark Vital: the man is special & was an amazing asset to the team.
8. What else? If we thought about it, we could several special traits to this list.

My point: they were special and it's a combination not likely to be repeated anywhere. Does this mean we won't get another natty? I hope not! I don't think so.

It's very possible: they could win another natty but that team was unique. We cannot expect to have that kind of team again.
Rg6
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Here we go again. Remember those who thought preseason that last year's team was more talented than the natty team? I am very excited about jakobe but he's probably one and done.
IowaBear
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Yup OP does this yearly… every pre season team is better than one of the greatest CBB teams ever. It's nauseating. That 21 title team not being touched by any Bu or any team period for awhile
Chuckroast
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historian said:

Our natty team:
1. Tons of talent in all aspects of the game (ball hawks, 3 point shooting, defense, etc)
2. National DPoY
3. Lots of experience (2+ years at Baylor & transfers with experience elsewhere)
4. Best 3 point shooting team in the country: at one point, they were saying we had 5-6 players shooting 40% or better from 3
5. Incredible chemistry
6. Team cohesion enhanced by being in the bubble
7. Mark Vital: the man is special & was an amazing asset to the team.
8. What else? If we thought about it, we could several special traits to this list.

My point: they were special and it's a combination not likely to be repeated anywhere. Does this mean we won't get another natty? I hope not! I don't think so.

It's very possible: they could win another natty but that team was unique. We cannot expect to have that kind of team again.
Yep - they could absolutely lock down teams defensively, handle defensive pressure, and knock down the 3. That was a great combination
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Crawfoso1973 said:

My bad, I misspoke. We had those guys in the lab together all those months, building team chemistry. Those circumstances will never happen again.
From what I understand, Davion was in the gym like 8-10 hrs a day.. no joke. Dude was in the gym on NYE for hours. Macio was also in there the whole season. Jon, Vital, and Butler were also tremendous workers. Extra year of work on individual development and chemistry. Plus huge motivation with cancelled tourney (one last run)..perfect storm.
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IowaBear said:

Yup OP does this yearly… every pre season team is better than one of the greatest CBB teams ever. It's nauseating. That 21 title team not being touched by any Bu or any team period for awhile
True, but to be fair the 2022 team would have been the clear odds on favorite to win it all without the piling injuries. I think they would have won the title if even a few of Flag, Akinjo, Jon, and Brown were somewhat healthy. All those guys were playing at 70% or worse with Jon obviously being out. Not to mention losing Love who was looking great before the year even began.

But to your point the guy predicted the 22' team would challenge the undefeated Indiana Hoosiers team and Brown would go #1 in the draft.
IowaBear
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They would have… they still weren't on the same planet as the 21 squad. We hear this every season now… " this teams gonna be better than the 21 team" no no they aren't. That team was the best CBB team in a decade. The chances of having a BU team in the same stratosphere as that one is not going to happen. That's not a knock on anyone. That team was just on another planet.
He also told us for 3 straight years MM was a first rounder. Also said Flag and EJ were as well. He loves to throw **** at the wall and hoping it sticks
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That 2021 team was special, one of the very best college teams I have ever seen. Nothing we can say here, whether in praise or in comparisons that imply a less than exemplary judgment, is intended to detract in any way from the lustrous quality of that team.

But in a span of 75 years as a participant and an observer of college basketball, I have never, and I repeat that, never, seen a team demolish an opponent of the highest pedigree the way that that 2022 team did to Villanova. It was a jaw-dropping visual experience. Afterward, I listened to three respected analysts of college basketball who spent two thirds of their allotted time talking about Baylor. They were unanimous in predicting a second national championship, and went so far as to say, "It isn't even close." The day following, all of the national sports shows across the television spectrum were abuzz at what they had seen the night before, and once again the predictions of an end-of-the-year success for the Bears was unanimous.

We all know what happened, and it was not another national championship. It was a series of devastating injuries, starting with our point guard, a player predicted to be an All American and a potential candidate for Player of the Year in the December discussions of those topics, an injury he never fully recovered from. The loss of our rim protector was even more devastating, and then several others along the way. The team was still very good, but was just a pale reflection of what we had seen in the first few weeks of the season. We will never know how good that team would have been if not cursed by injuries throughout the season. Akinjo, Flagler, that great front line, as good as the team of the previous year had been defensively, this team had the potential to be even better at the defensive end, and more than capable offensively, with enough depth to play that crushing, switching man for man defense for a full forty minutes without a drop off.

Injuries and the NBA draft took too much off of that roster for last year's team to measure up to the high standard of the preceding three years, but I think that this current roster is suited to a deep run in the post season tournament if they get a break on the injury front. There is outstanding individual defensive talent on this squad, and extraordinary depth. The offensive capabilities are likely to improve as the players meld together in the preseason and hopefully begin the conference at full strength. I am bullish on this team.

We understandably recall to memory each year, now, the team which set the standard so high for all of its successors. I don't know if we will ever see a team quite like that again, as circumstances converged at just the right time to elevate the quality of their performances and show us the rarity of a team of veteran players, whose peculiar blend of talent and confidence was fine tuned by a coaching staff well suited to challenge and nurture them. It is difficult in the world of college sports to envision that combination coming of age and realizing its full potential in quite the same way the 2021 blend of Baylor basketball players and coaches managed to do.

We were, and are, fortunate to bear witness to that group, to whom we are forever indebted. They were truly golden.




historian
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Excellent point. I forgot to add that they were gym rats, especially Davion.
BUCANDOIT82
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IowaBear said:

Yup OP does this yearly… every pre season team is better than one of the greatest CBB teams ever. It's nauseating. That 21 title team not being touched by any Bu or any team period for awhile
I did say the 2022 team was special and was the best team in the country and as good as the 2021 team. Then the injuries hit. I never said that about last year's team. I said last year's team had as good of a chance to win it all as any other team last year. I did say Keyonte George was special and should be a high lottery pick.

I think this year's team has a chance to be very special. I stand by that. Until I see them play I can't compare them to the other teams.

So nice to live free rent free in your head IB.
datboiquadzilla
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I think it could. I don't know if it is better defensively but I think they could keep up.
IowaBear
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You also said Flag was 1st rounder. I stand by my comment. You say asinine things hoping one sticks so you look like a genius
CST Bear
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Our roster looks plenty good for another deep run in March.

Seems to me, a more pressing 'need' is for the team to simply play their best basketball towards the end of the season, unlike the last two teams that looked final four ready (at least at times) but fizzled. I'm aware last year's team had significant more ups and downs.
IowaBear
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This feels like a team who's likely to peak late. Lots of new faces and it'll take time to gel. Probably gonna take some lumps early. But it should pay off late Feb and into March
CST Bear
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that's another reason why I'm anxious to see our schedule...it could feel so much more watered down (which may be a good thing) with the new additions and the departure of double round robin
historian
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I'm definitely going to miss the double round robin. At least we get Kansas & most of the other Texas teams that way. Alas, not Houston. They are still one of the best in the league & we should play them twice each year.
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Lot of things to be optimistic about, but I'm not jumping on the hype machine early again this year. I had us as an Elite 8 minimum team last year as the season began and as soon as I saw the putrid defense against Virginia and Marquette, I knew we would be lucky to get past the first weekend in the NCAAs.

No doubt there are lots of solid individual pieces on this team that imply we could go really far. Gonna need to see if all the individual talent fits together as a team though.
historian
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I'm just hoping to get to the second weekend. Anything after is gravy. I prefer not to be greedy.
Quinton
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I don't remember the comparison but you're right 2022 even healthy was nowhere close to 2021.
IowaBear
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Not to change the topic but what have you heard about Tre Johnson? He's on campus this weekend
BUCANDOIT82
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Quinton said:

I don't remember the comparison but you're right 2022 even healthy was nowhere close to 2021.


The teams were different because the strength of the 2021 team was the guards with a strong from court. The strength of the 2022 team was the front court with a strong supporting back court. The 2022 team was 17-0 and ranked number one and then the injury bug hit.
IowaBear
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21 teams guards would eat the 22 guards alive. Wouldn't even be a game. Cryer Flag and Akinjo trying to guard Butler, Mitchell and Teague… giant lol at that
Quinton
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BUCANDOIT82 said:

Quinton said:

I don't remember the comparison but you're right 2022 even healthy was nowhere close to 2021.


The teams were different because the strength of the 2021 team was the guards with a strong from court. The strength of the 2022 team was the front court with a strong supporting back court. The 2022 team was 17-0 and ranked number one and then the injury bug hit.
I do think they would have won the national title but still think the unique mix of the 2021 team would not have been stopped. Too many guards to try and handle.
Stefano DiMera
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Haven't seen this discussed..but wonder about the adjustment to the new arena in the middle of the season
Baylorbears111
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Big12Bear said:

We added the MAC/Mid-Major Player of the Year and a veteran defensive specialist who can also score and shoots damn near 40% from three. Deepest team we've ever had.

I don't think the "experts" really know how to rank us. How will EJ and Love bounce back with the extra time to heal? Don't know except they will be better than what we saw last year.
Depends how quickly the team gels, if they hit their shots, what team leadership looks like, and whether they can find some sort of edge to deliver them in tough grind-it-out games.

The natty team was obviously a different beast, but we tend underrate just how badly those guys wanted to dominate the opposing team. They had natty in mind since Covid cut 2020 short, that is why they came back. All of their practices were for that eventuality. It wasn't a "would be nice" or "we might be able to", I think they legitimately believed themselves to be the kings of that year.

This team would need to harness similar energy.
historian
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The 2021 team believed that they were the best then they proved it on the court all season long.
Johnny Bear
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historian said:

The 2021 team believed that they were the best then they proved it on the court all season long.

I will always believe they would've also run the table with an undefeated season & B12 Tourney if it hadn't been for Covid (another reason to thank China again).
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