I know he's really good and the pundits keep talking about him as a 1 & done but he could use more development.
is there any chance Missi will be back next year?
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If he doesn't get a first round grade, he would be wise to come back
That's my thinking.
That's generally been true about just about all the one and dones we've ever had - and yet with rare exceptions they've all still left.
These guys get bad intel from self-serving sources in a lot of cases.Johnny Bear said:
That's generally been true about just about all the one and dones we've ever had - and yet with rare exceptions they've all still left.
Quincy Miller and Kendall Brown were particularly dumb to leave. Anyone who watched those two play as freshmen knew they weren't ready for the NBA.
And both predictably fell to the second round and either got or are in the process of getting chewed up and spit out by the league.
Yes. I've noticed that too. It's probably just wishful thinking on my part. You can't really blame the kids gif leaving if they are going to be first rounders or even lottery picks.
The way he's been playing in conference play, he won't be a first rounder. Looked like a first rounder against Duke and other games early on. To be fair, NO ONE thought he'd be one and done coming into the season.
It is easy to judge those guys as dumb but $500,000 2nd round money is life-changing for some of these kids. Take Kendall Brown for example, his rookie year he fractured his tibia which resulted in him having surgery and being out for the season. He made a half million on that rookie deal. If he would have returned for Baylor he would have likely suffered the same injury and then would have been out for the year and not drafted after year 2. Then he would have been in his 3rd year in college when his upside would have been perceived as lower, plus coming off of that injury he might have lost a step. You can't blame Kendall Brown for getting what money he could, when he could. In hindsight he made the absolute correct decision.
Our fans see a starting center who displays glimpses of magical talent from time to time but struggles with situational awareness, lack of experience and not a significant amount of production. Our fans are looking at what he does NOW.
NBA scouts see an 18 year old who has only been playing organized ball for 2 years so it will be easy to guide him in a direction you want to develop, displays hand-eye-coordination you don't typically see with a kid that big, possesses facets of a game that oozes potential, and they are projecting where he will be in the FUTURE.
NBA GMs don't always draft on what stats you produce NOW. Missi will be drafted on where they think he'll be in a few years.
Given his age, Missi is in a unique situation where he and his advisors will have to decide whether it would be better for him to mature in a more comfortable living and travel situation with college ball for 1 more year vs. the rigors of being that young, traveling frequently and being an adult while trying to develop while also recognizing the significant amount of money that comes with going pro. It will be an interesting decision.
NBA scouts see an 18 year old who has only been playing organized ball for 2 years so it will be easy to guide him in a direction you want to develop, displays hand-eye-coordination you don't typically see with a kid that big, possesses facets of a game that oozes potential, and they are projecting where he will be in the FUTURE.
NBA GMs don't always draft on what stats you produce NOW. Missi will be drafted on where they think he'll be in a few years.
Given his age, Missi is in a unique situation where he and his advisors will have to decide whether it would be better for him to mature in a more comfortable living and travel situation with college ball for 1 more year vs. the rigors of being that young, traveling frequently and being an adult while trying to develop while also recognizing the significant amount of money that comes with going pro. It will be an interesting decision.
Not nearly as life-changing as a second NBA contract would be. And a second-round pick almost never gets a second contract.Crawfoso1973 said:
It is easy to judge those guys as dumb but $500,000 2nd round money is life-changing for some of these kids. Take Kendall Brown for example, his rookie year he fractured his tibia which resulted in him having surgery and being out for the season. He made a half million on that rookie deal. If he would have returned for Baylor he would have likely suffered the same injury and then would have been out for the year and not drafted after year 2. Then he would have been in his 3rd year in college when his upside would have been perceived as lower, plus coming off of that injury he might have lost a step. You can't blame Kendall Brown for getting what money he could, when he could. In hindsight he made the absolute correct decision.
Those guys would be way better off going back to college and waiting until they're actually ready to enter the draft.
Even if they're still second-round picks, they'd be much better equipped to actually help a team, rather than chewed up and spit out in three years.
A kid that leaves college, goes to the NBA, gets 40+ hours a week of coaching, training, conditioning, nutrition etc will grow up and mature much quicker than one additional season of college hoops.DanaDane said:
Our fans see a starting center who displays glimpses of magical talent from time to time but struggles with situational awareness, lack of experience and not a significant amount of production. Our fans are looking at what he does NOW.
NBA scouts see an 18 year old who has only been playing organized ball for 2 years so it will be easy to guide him in a direction you want to develop, displays hand-eye-coordination you don't typically see with a kid that big, possesses facets of a game that oozes potential, and they are projecting where he will be in the FUTURE.
NBA GMs don't always draft on what stats you produce NOW. Missi will be drafted on where they think he'll be in a few years.
Given his age, Missi is in a unique situation where he and his advisors will have to decide whether it would be better for him to mature in a more comfortable living and travel situation with college ball for 1 more year vs. the rigors of being that young, traveling frequently and being an adult while trying to develop while also recognizing the significant amount of money that comes with going pro. It will be an interesting decision.
If offered 1st round money, take it.
The truth is NBA GMs don't really care whether Missi develops or not. He's a lottery ticket, like most draft picks. If he works, great. If he doesn't, he'll be drafted over and replaced within two or three years.DanaDane said:
Our fans see a starting center who displays glimpses of magical talent from time to time but struggles with situational awareness, lack of experience and not a significant amount of production. Our fans are looking at what he does NOW.
NBA scouts see an 18 year old who has only been playing organized ball for 2 years so it will be easy to guide him in a direction you want to develop, displays hand-eye-coordination you don't typically see with a kid that big, possesses facets of a game that oozes potential, and they are projecting where he will be in the FUTURE.
NBA GMs don't always draft on what stats you produce NOW. Missi will be drafted on where they think he'll be in a few years.
Given his age, Missi is in a unique situation where he and his advisors will have to decide whether it would be better for him to mature in a more comfortable living and travel situation with college ball for 1 more year vs. the rigors of being that young, traveling frequently and being an adult while trying to develop while also recognizing the significant amount of money that comes with going pro. It will be an interesting decision.
I think Missi has a chance to be a really good pro. But I can't see him being of any use to an NBA team in his current state.
That means he'll go into the league after this year and be put on a clock he's really not ready for. That's the gamble all of these guys are taking. And the teams that draft them don't really care whether they work out or not because, outside of the top of the lottery, draft picks are imminently replaceable and there's no real accountability for whiffing on them.
Oh, I'd definitely take it. But I don't think those are the conversations that have taken place with Missi and his situation. From my understanding, Missi is highly enjoying being a kid. Some of you may be surprised in April.
Except that the NBA isn't about development. And its developmental league is a joke.LIB,MR BEARS said:A kid that leaves college, goes to the NBA, gets 40+ hours a week of coaching, training, conditioning, nutrition etc will grow up and mature much quicker than one additional season of college hoops.DanaDane said:
Our fans see a starting center who displays glimpses of magical talent from time to time but struggles with situational awareness, lack of experience and not a significant amount of production. Our fans are looking at what he does NOW.
NBA scouts see an 18 year old who has only been playing organized ball for 2 years so it will be easy to guide him in a direction you want to develop, displays hand-eye-coordination you don't typically see with a kid that big, possesses facets of a game that oozes potential, and they are projecting where he will be in the FUTURE.
NBA GMs don't always draft on what stats you produce NOW. Missi will be drafted on where they think he'll be in a few years.
Given his age, Missi is in a unique situation where he and his advisors will have to decide whether it would be better for him to mature in a more comfortable living and travel situation with college ball for 1 more year vs. the rigors of being that young, traveling frequently and being an adult while trying to develop while also recognizing the significant amount of money that comes with going pro. It will be an interesting decision.
If offered 1st round money, take it.
The NBA more like the NFL than MLB or the NHL. If you don't arrive capable of contributing to a team, you're more likely to wash out before getting a second contract than you are to be developed.
I hope for his sake and ours we are.DanaDane said:
Oh, I'd definitely take it. But I don't think those are the conversations that have taken place with Missi and his situation. From my understanding, Missi is highly enjoying being a kid. Some of you may be surprised in April.
He would benefit greatly from a second college season. And at his age, the risk of losing ground by staying is minimal.
That's exactly why I won't be completely surprised. I don't think this one is as sure fire "he's going" as situations like Kendal's, Keyonte's and Ja'Kobe's, which were all basically decided before they stepped foot on campus.bear2be2 said:
And at his age, the risk of losing ground by staying is minimal.
I hope you're right. I want him back at Baylor next year for purely selfish reasons. And, just as I can be selfish, I'm not gonna hold it against a kid for being "selfish" regarding an amount of money that can be life-changing.DanaDane said:
Oh, I'd definitely take it. But I don't think those are the conversations that have taken place with Missi and his situation. From my understanding, Missi is highly enjoying being a kid. Some of you may be surprised in April.
Jon is a walking, talking witness as to what can occur to a player in any of their years and at any level of ball.
If he ends an almost guaranteed early-mid first, it will be tough to turn down I'm sure. If not, that's when it may get interesting.
Sicem should write an article about this topic. I don't know how many roster spots we have but we need to start talking about who should leave and stay
To my knowledge, Walter, Ray J, and JTT are leaving; Grimes left so that's 4 open spots next year
Missi and Bridges may leave.
We have 4 guys coming in next year?
I think Lohner should transfer or retire
Ideally, we need to hold on to Bridges, Love, and Missi IMO
To my knowledge, Walter, Ray J, and JTT are leaving; Grimes left so that's 4 open spots next year
Missi and Bridges may leave.
We have 4 guys coming in next year?
I think Lohner should transfer or retire
Ideally, we need to hold on to Bridges, Love, and Missi IMO
This is a weak draft. Missi has a super-high ceiling. Someone will pull the trigger on him no later than the middle of the first round. He's so quick off his feet, can move laterally, can catch the ball, and his shooting form is not too bad. He's so much more athletic than most of the current starting centers in the NBA. Why draft anyone ahead of Missi that your hoping can be the fourth or fifth best starter on your team?
His production would be higher if our guards knew how to get him the ball in the right spot at the right time. Just look at how good Lively looks on the Mavericks and how much higher is production is than it was in college. Missi goes to the right team and the same thing will happen for him.
His production would be higher if our guards knew how to get him the ball in the right spot at the right time. Just look at how good Lively looks on the Mavericks and how much higher is production is than it was in college. Missi goes to the right team and the same thing will happen for him.
Excellent analysis. Thanks
BigGameBaylorBear said:
Sicem should write an article about this topic. I don't know how many roster spots we have but we need to start talking about who should leave and stay
To my knowledge, Walter, Ray J, and JTT are leaving; Grimes left so that's 4 open spots next year
Missi and Bridges may leave.
We have 4 guys coming in next year?
I think Lohner should transfer or retire
Ideally, we need to hold on to Bridges, Love, and Missi IMO
Someone said on another thread that Bridges is not returning & he's probably correct. As much as we might like to see him another year, it's probably unlikely.
Missi is the only ?mark and I'd like to see Lohner stay.BigGameBaylorBear said:
Sicem should write an article about this topic. I don't know how many roster spots we have but we need to start talking about who should leave and stay
To my knowledge, Walter, Ray J, and JTT are leaving; Grimes left so that's 4 open spots next year
Missi and Bridges may leave.
We have 4 guys coming in next year?
I think Lohner should transfer or retire
Ideally, we need to hold on to Bridges, Love, and Missi IMO
It will be time for Bridges to make some money, probably euros
I think Dennis has another year. Now whether he would want to use it I have no idea
This is is his fifth season. He played two at Boise State and two at Toledo. He's done after this year.IowaBear said:
I think Dennis has another year. Now whether he would want to use it I have no idea
I know Bridges will most likely leave but I put him in the category with Missi since he can technically stay, whereas the others are like 99% leaving
Missi was sensational against TCU and is so much better than he was 2 months ago when I said he reminds me of Olajuwon as a freshman.
Dude is 99% gone…It would be 100% if this wasn't the NIL era and Drew is not going to encourage him to stay. He'll going to do what's right by Missi.
Dude is 99% gone…It would be 100% if this wasn't the NIL era and Drew is not going to encourage him to stay. He'll going to do what's right by Missi.
Yet somehow Jameer Nelson, who will not sniff the NBA, punked both our first round draft picks.
There is still time in this season, but we need to start getting wins from these guys. Not just name recognition before a D league game.
There is still time in this season, but we need to start getting wins from these guys. Not just name recognition before a D league game.
historian said:
I know he's really good and the pundits keep talking about him as a 1 & done but he could use more development.
Based on past history, the answer is a resounding NO. And these one and done players are a reason we will stay at .500 level in Big 12 play if we're lucky.
Guitarbiscuit said:historian said:
I know he's really good and the pundits keep talking about him as a 1 & done but he could use more development.
Based on past history, the answer is a resounding NO. And these one and done players are a reason we will stay at .500 level in Big 12 play if we're lucky.
Maybe you only watch occasionally, but they're our best players. They were against TCU.
Maybe the issue is we need a better supporting cast. I would start Little.
Our best 2 players are Dennis and Love and it's not even close. Perhaps it's you that should watch the games…. Then again I'm talking to someone who thought Kendall Brown was a lock to be the top pick.
If we start Little we should probably plan on going 0-fer the rest of the way because that dude is far from ready to contribute
If we start Little we should probably plan on going 0-fer the rest of the way because that dude is far from ready to contribute
I watch most every game. Decent offense for Walter, no defense. Suspect offense for Messi depending on the day, and no defense.
You might stop making assumptions about what people watch and how much they watch it, because your assumptions and analysis is suspect here. There are 2 sides of the ball: offense and defense. It does no good for these one and done players to look spectacular on the offensive side (at times) only to give up more than they get on defense. Love and Dennis are far better than Walter and Messi right now. I don't know what game you are watching.
In the TCU game, Jakobe played 40 minutes, shot 16.7% FG, 22.2% 3pt and had 15 points. Definitely not one of our best players.
Walter's shooting was off, but to judge a player's impact, sometimes you need to look beyond the box score. Walter is a high-motor player and makes winning plays that don't always show up on the box score. Does he have things to work on and improve upon? Absolutely. But he is not the reason we lost.
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