Crawfoso1973 said:

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Walter's shooting was off, but to judge a player's impact, sometimes you need to look beyond the box score. Walter is a high-motor player and makes winning plays that don't always show up on the box score. Does he have things to work on and improve upon? Absolutely. But he is not the reason we lost.

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You know we lost that game, right?

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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Walter's shooting was off, but to judge a player's impact, sometimes you need to look beyond the box score. Walter is a high-motor player and makes winning plays that don't always show up on the box score. Does he have things to work on and improve upon? Absolutely. But he is not the reason we lost.

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You know we lost that game, right?

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You know it takes more than one player to lose a game, right?

Crawfoso1973 said:

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Walter's shooting was off, but to judge a player's impact, sometimes you need to look beyond the box score. Walter is a high-motor player and makes winning plays that don't always show up on the box score. Does he have things to work on and improve upon? Absolutely. But he is not the reason we lost.

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He wasn't making those plays in that game -- at least until overtime. He was a disaster on both ends in regulation.

I'm a fan of Ja'Kobe Walter. I've pointed out his ability to contribute when his shots aren't falling on several occasions this season. He was brutal against TCU until the game-tying 3-pointer.

I disagree. Besides his shot not falling he played with his usual effort and energy.

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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So the way basketball works is your team puts the ball in the basket and you get points. You also try to keep the other team from putting the ball in the basket and getting points. Then you tally it all up and whoever has the most points wins the game.

Effort and energy is what you highlight to a Y team that just got its ass kicked and you are trying to encourage. Not an NBA lottery pick. Scott Drew is not running a kindergarten

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So if a team loses in triple overtime then every player on that team must be terrible. Gotcha.

Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

Bleed Green said:

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Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

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I beg to differ. Rim protection is extremely valued at the next level. Missi is the type of modern big NBA covets. Elite rim protector, supreme athlete, pick and roll big who can get up and down the floor. What he just did in the first half tonight moved him up a few spots.

Compare his game to a top 10 center in the NBA. He isn't an elite passer, shooter or rebounder. He can block shots. Unfortunately the NBA is a shooter's league right now. Not many teams are looking for someone to stop a 2 point layup. He has a lot of potential but he isn't going in the first round unless he turns a lot of that potential into reality. Love him! I don't think he will be here 4 years, but he is not a one and done unless he wants to go spend the next 3-4 years in Europe playing ball.

Please.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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Bleed Green said:

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Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

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I beg to differ. Rim protection is extremely valued at the next level. Missi is the type of modern big NBA covets. Elite rim protector, supreme athlete, pick and roll big who can get up and down the floor. What he just did in the first half tonight moved him up a few spots.

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I think he's gone, too. His pro potential is enormous and he fits the modern NBA game to a T.

Contrary to popular opinion, I like both of our freshmen this year. I just don't like how dependent we are on them. And I don't like that they'll both be long gone before their maturity catches up with their talent.

Missi and Walter do not have the alpha personalities to lead a team. I don't think that is because they are freshmen. I think they fit better as role players, and despite their youth and inconsistencies, they are filling that niche well. What is hurting us is that we needed much more from our upperclassmen. Lohner and Nunn have been busts and Bridges has massively underachieved relative to his talent. And we have no real vocal leaders, although I see the potential for that to emerge in Love.

Bleed Green said:

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Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

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The NBA was way more fun when big men played with their back to the basket and ruled the lane on D

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Bleed Green said:

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Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

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The NBA was way more fun when big men played with their back to the basket and ruled the lane on D

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I agree. But those days are long gone. Now it's one or two ball-handlers and a bunch of wallflowers on the 3-point line.

bear2be2 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Bleed Green said:

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Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

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The NBA was way more fun when big men played with their back to the basket and ruled the lane on D

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I agree. But those days are long gone. Now it's one or two ball-handlers and a bunch of wallflowers on the 3-point line.

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So you think Missi is the wallflower or ball handler?

Unfortunately, Missi fits the current league perfectly. Can run the floor, elite length, good instincts, elite athlete. Rim protection and rim running is the modern nba.

Scouts and pro gm's don't have the highest regard for college level coaching. They always think they can develop the raw skills into a great player

Bleed Green said:

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bear2be2 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Bleed Green said:

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Don't hijack the thread...

I believe Missi will be back because he plays the least valued position in the NBA right now. And he plays it in a way few teams are looking to play it. He is a going to be a great college player. He might be a solid NBA center but the number of teams looking for his skill set are not that many.

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The NBA was way more fun when big men played with their back to the basket and ruled the lane on D

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I agree. But those days are long gone. Now it's one or two ball-handlers and a bunch of wallflowers on the 3-point line.

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So you think Missi is the wallflower or ball handler?

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He'll be a pick-and-roll rim-runner, but he'll be expected to expand his range to the 3-point line.

Quinton said:

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Unfortunately, Missi fits the current league perfectly. Can run the floor, elite length, good instincts, elite athlete. Rim protection and rim running is the modern nba.

Scouts and pro gm's don't have the highest regard for college level coaching. They always think they can develop the raw skills into a great player

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I don't think they necessarily believe they can develop every player's raw skills. I think they realize there's no downside if they don't. No one ever gets fired over failed draft picks outside of the top-5, so these GMs just use their picks like lottery tickets.

It's a scout-and-hope system with no accountability at the end because you can just draft over busts the following year.

I agree the incentives are as you say so they act accordingly.

But I do know for certain some pro front offices and scouts don't think highly of a lot of college coaching.

Quinton said:

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I agree the incentives are as you say so they act accordingly.

But I do know for certain some pro front offices and scouts don't think highly of a lot of college coaching.

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I don't doubt it, but most of those scouts and front office people have horrible track records themselves.

The NBA's draft process is a joke.

Lots of contradictions in these posts. Missi is a 62% FG shooter with probably 40% of those shots being within a foot of the basket. A 50% FT shooter and has yet to attempt a college 3PT shot. He isn't getting drafted with the thought that he is going to become a "wallflower at the 3 pt line". As stated the current NBA is a shooter's game. Missi is great, might even develop a 3 pt shot. But if he doesn't show he can hit a 15 footer consistently he isn't going 1st round. I absolutely hate the NBA and rarely watch it because a player like Missi rarely needed in the style they play.

But I'm not here to do the impossible of convincing someone on a message board to change their opinion. Be sure to call me out when he gets drafted in the 1st. I'll be glad to take it because it will probably mean we made a Final 4 run and his shooting was the catalyst. I'll be just fine eating that crow. For now put me in the he won't go one and done without incredibly poor advice crowd.

Can't believe your second paragraph because you said the NBA is all about rim protectors… Motimbo can't even get commercials anymore.

NBA has loves athletic rim protectors like Missi even if he doesn't yet shoot threes. Think of Lively on the Mavs. They will work with him to develop his range out to 3 point range as he develops. He is only 19 years old....they draft on upside and assume they can develop him. You are living in a fantasy world if you think he won't be drafted. And selfishly as a Baylor fan I would love to be wrong.

The question was will he be a one and done not will he get drafted. I definitely think he will get drafted. Don't think it will be in the first round in 2024. But guys with a lot worse chance of getting drafted in the money spots have declared so it is a possibility.

latest mock draft has Ja'Kobe going 8th and Messi 10th - - so there's your answer.....

Missi is loaded with raw athletic talent. If I'm a GM what I really like is that he has great hands and his above the rim game.

Sure big thick guys can kind of push him around some now. But after he fills out and improves his offensive and defensive skills he is going to be very valuable to a NBA franchise.

BearFan33 said:

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Missi is loaded with raw athletic talent. If I'm a GM what I really like is that he has great hands and his above the rim game.

Sure big thick guys can kind of push him around some now. But after he fills out and improves his offensive and defensive skills he is going to be very valuable to a NBA franchise.

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18-year-olds playing center are like 18-year-olds playing left tackle: they have to be way talented to play at 18, and you hope the talent makes up for the on the court training. Yves is indeed raw, but really top-level talent. He's going to get schooled by the 2324-year-olds, but I remember someone talking about a center who didn't match up well with opponents his height and above ("he may be 7' but he plays 6-9"). Yves plays 7 feet. He's going to have a good NBA career if he stays healthy.

Bleed Green said:

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Can't believe your second paragraph because you said the NBA is all about rim protectors… Motimbo can't even get commercials anymore.

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What's not to believe? Its just a fact. The league loves guys who can switch, potential to defend multiple positions, have elite length/athleticism, and can be great rim protectors. This is 100% true. The potential rim protection comment is definitely true.

Mutombo is not a great comp. Watch clips of him running down the court and his switching ability. He wasn't that similar to Missi and the leaner long modern guys. His movement is totally different.

Bleed Green said:

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Can't believe your second paragraph because you said the NBA is all about rim protectors… Motimbo can't even get commercials anymore.

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Mutombo is 57 years old, played 18 years in the NBA, and made $140mm on his salary alone. I'm thinking he doesn't need the ad money. Missi is a very different player, and 7 years younger than Dikembe when he broke into the league.

I have no doubt Yves has and is working on his 3, but when you are hitting at 60% at the 2, you also need to factor in the and-ones, and the foul differential he creates. The big guy in Denver didn't win the NBA title last year with his 3pt. shooting. Last time I checked, the no. 1 over hyped one on the Spurs was hitting like 18% of his threes, doing the league a favor in my view...

BearFan33 said:

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Missi is loaded with raw athletic talent. If I'm a GM what I really like is that he has great hands and his above the rim game.

Sure big thick guys can kind of push him around some now. But after he fills out and improves his offensive and defensive skills he is going to be very valuable to a NBA franchise.

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And there are fewer and fewer big, thick guys in the NBA to push him around.

Chet and Wemby would get absolutely abused on the defensive end if there were.