Who Are The Basketball Experts Who Keep Saying Keyonte George Was A Disapointment

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7:34p, 2/6/24
Let's not forget he was voted the Big XII Freshman of the Year.
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9:11p, 2/6/24
….and yet, so many "fans" were disappointed. He was injured most of the year. Future NBA all-star. Grow up. Real world.
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10:07p, 2/6/24
He's got a 10.9 player efficiency rating and half a win share this year. Running victory laps over those numbers because some random power ranking likes him is a choice.
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10:15p, 2/6/24
I think people were upset with the second round exit. There was a lot of hype around Key and many thought we were gonna make a deep run with him
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In reply to BigGameBaylorBear • 10:24p, 2/6/24
BigGameBaylorBear said:
I think people were upset with the second round exit. There was a lot of hype around Key and many thought we were gonna make a deep run with him
My frustration with Keyonte George stemmed from the fact that he was a horribly inefficient basketball player. He remains the same inefficient player in the NBA.

He's playing a position more suited for him now and his ability to distribute adds to his value. But he's still the same inconsistent volume scorer he's always been and his jump shot remains unreliable.
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10:34p, 2/6/24
16 points 5 dimes against the top team in the west tonight
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10:57p, 2/6/24
I'm one of those for sure. I've watched a few Jazz games this year and color me unimpressed. Big 3 time he misses....turnovers....he has quite a few...drives to the basket and misses....however, he is poised and has good court awareness. I'm a fan and hope he becomes an All Star.
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5:29a, 2/16/24
Last night George went off for 33 points and 6 assists. Debates over.
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7:04a, 2/16/24
He gave 100% every time he got on the court. He put his body on the line. I am so glad he was a Bear.
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In reply to chorne68 • 11:09a, 2/16/24
chorne68 said:
He gave 100% every time he got on the court. He put his body on the line. I am so glad he was a Bear.
I agree. We all have recency bias and a bad taste in our mouths because of how our season ended, and many fans blamed Keyonte. But he played injured the last half of the season which contributed to his poor play down the stretch. He could have easily sat out to get healthy and to preserve his draft stock, but he put himself out there, playing far less than 100%, and did all he could to help our team win.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:25p, 2/16/24
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BigGameBaylorBear said:
I think people were upset with the second round exit. There was a lot of hype around Key and many thought we were gonna make a deep run with him
My frustration with Keyonte George stemmed from the fact that he was a horribly inefficient basketball player. He remains the same inefficient player in the NBA.

He's playing a position more suited for him now and his ability to distribute adds to his value. But he's still the same inconsistent volume scorer he's always been and his jump shot remains unreliable.
Geez, I've gone into 2 threads today and both of them consist of you hating on players. Please cheer up - also acting like his inefficiency isn't normal is absurd: most rookie guards with a big workload shoot below 40% their first season with names like Russell Westbrook, Jason Kidd, and James Harden falling under that category. Improving shooting percentages in the NBA is an extremely easy task and coming to the conclusion that Keyonte will never become a good shooter is absurd.
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3:26p, 2/16/24
Some fans think running down college athletes makes them look important and knowledgable. All of our basketball players deserve respect and have achieved a much higher level of competition than 99% of the posters here, myself included.

Same thing with the coaches. Judgements are made from watching 30 minutes of game as opposed to a professional coach that studies film runs practices and knows an infinite amount of basketball compare to some accountant or salesman. No one wants to win more than the coachand no one in the stands knows more than he does.

i have coached a bb playoff game in the old Ferrel Center and playoff football games in the Astrodome, Dallas Stadium, Casey Stadium, Rice Stadium, Kyle Field and Memorial Stadium etc etc but I would never run down a college coach that has done well enough to head coach a big time school like Baylor.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 6:35p, 2/16/24
Totally agree about the players…Coaches are paid mult- million dollar salaries and second guessing them goes with the territory.
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In reply to BaylorFan1234321 • 11:59p, 2/16/24
BaylorFan1234321 said:
bear2be2 said:
BigGameBaylorBear said:
I think people were upset with the second round exit. There was a lot of hype around Key and many thought we were gonna make a deep run with him
My frustration with Keyonte George stemmed from the fact that he was a horribly inefficient basketball player. He remains the same inefficient player in the NBA.

He's playing a position more suited for him now and his ability to distribute adds to his value. But he's still the same inconsistent volume scorer he's always been and his jump shot remains unreliable.
Geez, I've gone into 2 threads today and both of them consist of you hating on players. Please cheer up - also acting like his inefficiency isn't normal is absurd: most rookie guards with a big workload shoot below 40% their first season with names like Russell Westbrook, Jason Kidd, and James Harden falling under that category. Improving shooting percentages in the NBA is an extremely easy task and coming to the conclusion that Keyonte will never become a good shooter is absurd.
I don't hate on anyone. None of this is ever personal. I give my honest and objective assessment of a player's performance and/or efforts. A lot of times that's positive. Sometimes it's not.

But these aren't kids (though I occasionally refer to them as such), and in the NIL era, they're not even amateurs. They're semi-pro athletes (at worst) being compensated well to perform a specific role. This idea that it's off-limits to be critical of players or coaches is silly.

And as for Keyonte George specifically, I literally couldn't care less what he does in the NBA. I'm not an NBA, Utah Jazz or Keyonte George fan. I'm a Baylor fan. He could become the next Magic Johnson, as one delusional poster here suggested, and it wouldn't change my opinion of Keyonte's Baylor career. In the one season I cared about his efforts, he was a 37.6 percent shooter and a disinterested defender for a No. 3 seed that got waxed in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

I hope for his sake he goes on to a good career in the NBA. But it won't change the fact that he was a horribly frustrating player at Baylor who contributed heavily to a horribly frustrating team.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 12:05a, 2/17/24
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Some fans think running down college athletes makes them look important and knowledgable. All of our basketball players deserve respect and have achieved a much higher level of competition than 99% of the posters here, myself included.

Same thing with the coaches. Judgements are made from watching 30 minutes of game as opposed to a professional coach that studies film runs practices and knows an infinite amount of basketball compare to some accountant or salesman. No one wants to win more than the coachand no one in the stands knows more than he does.

i have coached a bb playoff game in the old Ferrel Center and playoff football games in the Astrodome, Dallas Stadium, Casey Stadium, Rice Stadium, Kyle Field and Memorial Stadium etc etc but I would never run down a college coach that has done well enough to head coach a big time school like Baylor.
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy for a reason. There are experts in every field who are really bad at their jobs. And more often than that, there are experts who are good at their jobs but have bad days. Neither are immune to or above criticism.

When you're treated/paid as well as big-time college players and coaches are, you'd better be ready to perform or have thick skin when you don't. This isn't high school sports. This is professional sports for all intents and purposes. You want the money/notoriety, you get all that comes with it.
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In reply to BUCANDOIT82 • 12:12a, 2/17/24
BUCANDOIT82 said:
Totally agree about the players…Coaches are paid mult- million dollar salaries and second guessing them goes with the territory.
I agree second guessing goes with the territory. I think it humerous to see someone think they know more than the expert,.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 9:18p, 2/17/24
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
BUCANDOIT82 said:
Totally agree about the players…Coaches are paid mult- million dollar salaries and second guessing them goes with the territory.
I agree second guessing goes with the territory. I think it humerous to see someone think they know more than the expert,.


Experts are often wrong. It's fine for people to point it out. Doesn't mean they claim to "know more."
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10:03a, 10/31/24
Brutal start to the season. In 4 games shooting 26% from the field and 23% from 3. Yikes. He is still just 20 but he won't be long for a franchise PG role if he can't straighten out his shooting.
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In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 10:42a, 10/31/24
His shooting has always been porous… he was incredibly inefficient at BU for that exact reason. It's also why people laugh at posters like 82 when they make moronic claims about Key being the next Magic
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In reply to IowaBear • 11:03a, 10/31/24
IowaBear said:
His shooting has always been porous… he was incredibly inefficient at BU for that exact reason. It's also why people laugh at posters like 82 when they make moronic claims about Key being the next Magic
When he was at BU I thought it was just his shot-selection, but now I think maybe there's also something fundamentally flawed with his mechanics. He won't last long if he can't be at least a poor shooter as opposed to a horrible one.
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In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 4:15p, 10/31/24
Crawfoso1973 said:
IowaBear said:
His shooting has always been porous… he was incredibly inefficient at BU for that exact reason. It's also why people laugh at posters like 82 when they make moronic claims about Key being the next Magic
When he was at BU I thought it was just his shot-selection, but now I think maybe there's also something fundamentally flawed with his mechanics. He won't last long if he can't be at least a poor shooter as opposed to a horrible one.


Had to Lead the big 12 maybe the nation in off balance jumpers taken
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7:31p, 10/31/24
So some of you think 4 games is a large enough sample size to make conclusions about an NBA point guard…Was he missing wide open good looks or did he have to heave it up because the ball was returned to him with the shot clock expiring?
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In reply to BUCANDOIT82 • 7:44p, 10/31/24
Why not?? You made the conclusion that Kendall Brown would be the #1 pick based off of 1 game…
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In reply to BUCANDOIT82 • 5:08a, 11/1/24
BUCANDOIT82 said:
So some of you think 4 games is a large enough sample size to make conclusions about an NBA point guard…Was he missing wide open good looks or did he have to heave it up because the ball was returned to him with the shot clock expiring?
No, I am making conclusions off an 80 game sample size. In 75 games last season he shot 39% and is off to an to an even worse start so far this season. I think he will get plenty of opportunity to right the ship on a rebuilding team like Utah. But if he can't iron out his shooting, he won't be viewed as a franchise type PG and long-term will probably be moved to more of a 6th man role.
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7:31p, 11/5/24
Anyone with more to say?
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In reply to BUCANDOIT82 • 8:55a, 11/7/24
BUCANDOIT82 said:
Anyone with more to say?
The dude's shooting 32.7 percent from the field and 28.6 percent from 3 for a 1-6 team and you're on here running victory laps after one good game? That's certainly a choice.

Just for the record, if this sounds like I'm rooting against George, I'm not. I'm not super invested in the NBA careers of any of our former players, but I like to see all of them do well. I just also value objectivity and truth and try to live in the real world when assessing player performance.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:27p, 11/7/24
bear2be2 said:
BUCANDOIT82 said:
Anyone with more to say?
The dude's shooting 32.7 percent from the field and 28.6 percent from 3 for a 1-6 team and you're on here running victory laps after one good game? That's certainly a choice.

Just for the record, if this sounds like I'm rooting against George, I'm not. I'm not super invested in the NBA careers of any of our former players, but I like to see all of them do well. I just also value objectivity and truth and try to live in the real world when assessing player performance.


It's because he had a good game and dropped 30+ points the other night…he doesn't post about George when he goes 4-18 which he has done far far more often. But props to OP for standing on his opinion that George is the next Magic Johnson.
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