IowaBear said:

---

This is my only gripe about KC… it's home games for KU, KSU and ISU

---

ScottS said:

---

My guess is Yorkman loves it in KC

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

ScottS said:

---

My guess is Yorkman loves it in KC

---

I don't know. After looking into it, attendance has been on a downward trajectory. Three of the 5 least attended B12 tournaments have been in KC over the last 5 years (not including 2021 covid year, which would make it 4 of 5 if you include it), and attendance has not topped 100,000 in KC since 2011. Tourney held in both Dallas and OCK have exceeded 100,000 (3 out of 5 times actually).

And Yorkman likes to shake things up.

---

T-REX said:

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

It's great ISU shows up, but having fans at the game does not make the arena any closer to the school. It is not in any way the "literal definition" of a home game

That's like saying UT playing at UH is a home game because they have more fans there.

Also, TBF my original post was probably more aggressive than I intended. I get sick of KU bball getting such preferential treatment and having the tournament permanently fixed in KC is an example of that. It is great that ISU travels. Maybe they'd like to go to OKC or Cincy or any of the other cities in the B12 footprint some time. Phoenix in early March wouldn't suck

---

it's in KC because the city of KC invests millions every single year to make it the best conference tourny in the country year in and year out. KU being 45 mins away isn't why it's there. Okc & Dallas locations didn't come close.

The city lives for this event. It's all in for that week. They care about nothing else during that time. Power and light district next door blows the area around the aac out of the water. And all of downtown embraces the tourny. The conference knows who is gonna support their goals and that's KC until proven otherwise. Go to the tourny and u will realize why it's the best place to host it.

KU fans would out attend us if in Dallas and we all know it. We can't even fill 7k seats in a new arena on a Saturday vs a rival, our fans won't even travel from Dallas to Ft Worth to a game vs tcu. We ain't doing anything different for a tourny in kc. We didn't even take over dickies arena for the 2022 playoff matches.

It's in KC because it's the best spot. We don't lose every single year there because it's not in Dallas.

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

ScottS said:

---

My guess is Yorkman loves it in KC

---

I don't know. After looking into it, attendance has been on a downward trajectory. Three of the 5 least attended B12 tournaments have been in KC over the last 5 years (not including 2021 covid year, which would make it 4 of 5 if you include it), and attendance has not topped 100,000 in KC since 2011. Tourney held in both Dallas and OCK have exceeded 100,000 (3 out of 5 times actually).

And Yorkman likes to shake things up.

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

T-REX said:

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

It's great ISU shows up, but having fans at the game does not make the arena any closer to the school. It is not in any way the "literal definition" of a home game

That's like saying UT playing at UH is a home game because they have more fans there.

Also, TBF my original post was probably more aggressive than I intended. I get sick of KU bball getting such preferential treatment and having the tournament permanently fixed in KC is an example of that. It is great that ISU travels. Maybe they'd like to go to OKC or Cincy or any of the other cities in the B12 footprint some time. Phoenix in early March wouldn't suck

---

it's in KC because the city of KC invests millions every single year to make it the best conference tourny in the country year in and year out. KU being 45 mins away isn't why it's there. Okc & Dallas locations didn't come close.

The city lives for this event. It's all in for that week. They care about nothing else during that time. Power and light district next door blows the area around the aac out of the water. And all of downtown embraces the tourny. The conference knows who is gonna support their goals and that's KC until proven otherwise. Go to the tourny and u will realize why it's the best place to host it.

KU fans would out attend us if in Dallas and we all know it. We can't even fill 7k seats in a new arena on a Saturday vs a rival, our fans won't even travel from Dallas to Ft Worth to a game vs tcu. We ain't doing anything different for a tourny in kc. We didn't even take over dickies arena for the 2022 playoff matches.

It's in KC because it's the best spot. We don't lose every single year there because it's not in Dallas.

---

Yet average attendance at AAC and Ford far, far exceeded average attendance at T Mobile. That is a fact unlike your rant.

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

Big 12 men's basketball tournament - Wikipedia

You will note that another common theme is that KU and ISU do much, much worse when it is not in KC

---

Baylorbears111 said:

---

I don't remember what the tourney was like at AAC.

But I do remember that the OKC tournament was nice for being centralized in the conference.

I'm a strong advocate for KC as the tournament host, but I do think we will see some rotation between it and Vegas. If we ever take on additional eastern teams, I'm curious if Orlando would be a good hosting destination.

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

Silly me. I thought the point of a tournament was for people to watch the tournament and players to play in front of their fans. I didn't realize it was for the local citizens to feel better about the fact they live in a dying area of the country (while not attending the tournament)

---

T-REX said:

---

Baylorbears111 said:

---

I don't remember what the tourney was like at AAC.

But I do remember that the OKC tournament was nice for being centralized in the conference.

I'm a strong advocate for KC as the tournament host, but I do think we will see some rotation between it and Vegas. If we ever take on additional eastern teams, I'm curious if Orlando would be a good hosting destination.

---

Vegas would be a good spot because we'll it's Vegas and the infrastructure is unmatched from an entertainment standpoint.

I could see Orlando being a good spot possibly but not entirely sold on that as then we give a 70k enrollment school a tourny in town. Yall want to talk about being too close to ku and isu???? Ucf dwarfs them in enrollment lol.

Also not sure what else there is to do besides the theme parks really. Tourny needs to be in a spot with entertainment options within short walking distance to keep the fans all engaged

---

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

---

Nope. I can only get to weekend games. Next one is KU.

Go ahead and head you off of that's not relevant in any way to where the tournament might be held. I get you're a super fan, so that's your trump card. But it's really not. In fact, it's a good reason to move the tournament around so people can get to it.

---

Baylorbears111 said:

---

T-REX said:

---

Baylorbears111 said:

---

I don't remember what the tourney was like at AAC.

But I do remember that the OKC tournament was nice for being centralized in the conference.

I'm a strong advocate for KC as the tournament host, but I do think we will see some rotation between it and Vegas. If we ever take on additional eastern teams, I'm curious if Orlando would be a good hosting destination.

---

Vegas would be a good spot because we'll it's Vegas and the infrastructure is unmatched from an entertainment standpoint.

I could see Orlando being a good spot possibly but not entirely sold on that as then we give a 70k enrollment school a tourny in town. Yall want to talk about being too close to ku and isu???? Ucf dwarfs them in enrollment lol.

Also not sure what else there is to do besides the theme parks really. Tourny needs to be in a spot with entertainment options within short walking distance to keep the fans all engaged

---

Lot's to do in Orlando.

It has theme parks of all kinds, aquariums, shopping, plenty of city parks, NASA. Since it is a decently sized city with tons of tourist travel, they have plenty of restaurants.

The other nice thing about Florida is that it is very skinny. If you wanted to go to the beach for a day, it is only 45m-1hr away.

---

ImABearToo said:

---

I was in KC on business a few weeks back. Stayed at Marriott downtown. Day or night, it's a ghost town. So events like this are huge for their local economy I'm sure. Oh, Jack Stack is some good KC BBQ.

---

IowaBear said:

---

I suggest you watch ISU in KC.. it's the literal definition of a home game for the Clones

---