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I get what you mean but I don't trust the staff to be able to pull some raw out talent type scheme.

That strategy would call for us to go all out for the Seton Hall transfer, pick up a filler guy and just roll the ball out there. Don't love that option.

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I kinda think the Seaton Hall guy is not a fit as a combo guard need. He's a big skill overlap with Edgecombe. It needs to be another guy who can shoot the 3. This is of course assuming we run a scheme like the last few years which who knows if that's the case with Jakus gone.

Also, it doesn't have to be an out talent situation, it needs to be another solid ball handler that can shoot so we can get back to running triple headed threats from the guard position and not be totally dependent on one guard to run point. The problem with our two guards is Nunn is not a good ball handler, and Love is really good at iso but not distribution. Both of them would have to see a big change in one off season to become the type of 2 guard we really have been missing since 2021.

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Wright is going to be the second ball-handler. But Roach is going to play 30-plus minutes per game and will likely have a similar usage rate to RayJ, though he'll operate considerably differently.

Of all the needs we have, a third point guard is pretty low on the list. We need a 3-and-D wing and a big. Get both, and we'll be very competitive next year with the guard group we're already expecting on campus.

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If Wright starts on this team there's no way we finish better than 3rd in the conference, and I would easily put us at like 5th or 6th overall in pre-season voting.

Wright needs to be an off the bench ball handler who's a starter next year and helps get us out of this rut of finding rental guards like Akinjo, George, and Dennis

Also, I have no problem with Roach playing 30 minutes a game, I expect it, but another combo guard would sure make this guard group look a hell of a lot better and not just a bunch of one skillset guys. Trying to roll out a similar looking set as last year is not going to get us anywhere.

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No one has said or even suggested that Wright will be starting. Roach will be the starting point guard and he'll play 30-plus minutes per game. Wright will likely play 15-20 as the second point guard.

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IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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I get what you mean but I don't trust the staff to be able to pull some raw out talent type scheme.

That strategy would call for us to go all out for the Seton Hall transfer, pick up a filler guy and just roll the ball out there. Don't love that option.

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I kinda think the Seaton Hall guy is not a fit as a combo guard need. He's a big skill overlap with Edgecombe. It needs to be another guy who can shoot the 3. This is of course assuming we run a scheme like the last few years which who knows if that's the case with Jakus gone.

Also, it doesn't have to be an out talent situation, it needs to be another solid ball handler that can shoot so we can get back to running triple headed threats from the guard position and not be totally dependent on one guard to run point. The problem with our two guards is Nunn is not a good ball handler, and Love is really good at iso but not distribution. Both of them would have to see a big change in one off season to become the type of 2 guard we really have been missing since 2021.

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Wright is going to be the second ball-handler. But Roach is going to play 30-plus minutes per game and will likely have a similar usage rate to RayJ, though he'll operate considerably differently.

Of all the needs we have, a third point guard is pretty low on the list. We need a 3-and-D wing and a big. Get both, and we'll be very competitive next year with the guard group we're already expecting on campus.

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If Wright starts on this team there's no way we finish better than 3rd in the conference, and I would easily put us at like 5th or 6th overall in pre-season voting.

Wright needs to be an off the bench ball handler who's a starter next year and helps get us out of this rut of finding rental guards like Akinjo, George, and Dennis

Also, I have no problem with Roach playing 30 minutes a game, I expect it, but another combo guard would sure make this guard group look a hell of a lot better and not just a bunch of one skillset guys. Trying to roll out a similar looking set as last year is not going to get us anywhere.

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No one has said or even suggested that Wright will be starting. Roach will be the starting point guard and he'll play 30-plus minutes per game. Wright will likely play 15-20 as the second point guard.

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Right which is why I said what would really put us over the top is if we had another combo guard who is starting not a role player like Nunn or Love or a developing guy like Wright.

I don't think we go this route, I'm just saying if you really wanted to go after the majority of the talent out there it's replacing the 2 and filling the 4, not filling the 4 and the 5.

IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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I get what you mean but I don't trust the staff to be able to pull some raw out talent type scheme.

That strategy would call for us to go all out for the Seton Hall transfer, pick up a filler guy and just roll the ball out there. Don't love that option.

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I kinda think the Seaton Hall guy is not a fit as a combo guard need. He's a big skill overlap with Edgecombe. It needs to be another guy who can shoot the 3. This is of course assuming we run a scheme like the last few years which who knows if that's the case with Jakus gone.

Also, it doesn't have to be an out talent situation, it needs to be another solid ball handler that can shoot so we can get back to running triple headed threats from the guard position and not be totally dependent on one guard to run point. The problem with our two guards is Nunn is not a good ball handler, and Love is really good at iso but not distribution. Both of them would have to see a big change in one off season to become the type of 2 guard we really have been missing since 2021.

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Wright is going to be the second ball-handler. But Roach is going to play 30-plus minutes per game and will likely have a similar usage rate to RayJ, though he'll operate considerably differently.

Of all the needs we have, a third point guard is pretty low on the list. We need a 3-and-D wing and a big. Get both, and we'll be very competitive next year with the guard group we're already expecting on campus.

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If Wright starts on this team there's no way we finish better than 3rd in the conference, and I would easily put us at like 5th or 6th overall in pre-season voting.

Wright needs to be an off the bench ball handler who's a starter next year and helps get us out of this rut of finding rental guards like Akinjo, George, and Dennis

Also, I have no problem with Roach playing 30 minutes a game, I expect it, but another combo guard would sure make this guard group look a hell of a lot better and not just a bunch of one skillset guys. Trying to roll out a similar looking set as last year is not going to get us anywhere.

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No one has said or even suggested that Wright will be starting. Roach will be the starting point guard and he'll play 30-plus minutes per game. Wright will likely play 15-20 as the second point guard.

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Right which is why I said what would really put us over the top is if we had another combo guard who is starting not a role player like Nunn or Love or a developing guy like Wright.

I don't think we go this route, I'm just saying if you really wanted to go after the majority of the talent out there it's replacing the 2 and filling the 4, not filling the 4 and the 5.

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Nunn and Love aren't role players. They're starting caliber Big 12 shooting guards. That you don't appreciate what either brings to the court enough doesn't change that fact.

Only point of contention here is healthy Love, if we ever see it, is a top 10 scorer in the big 12 next year. Per 36 at the very least if his minutes aren't maxxed.

I get he is a limited playmaker and passer but I still don't scoff at a guy who can put up 20+ pretty regularly. At very least it can keep the D spread

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Only point of contention here is healthy Love, if we ever see it, is a top 10 scorer in the big 12 next year. Per 36 at the very least if his minutes aren't maxxed.

I get he is a limited playmaker and passer but I still don't scoff at a guy who can put up 20+ pretty regularly. At very least it can keep the D spread

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I would generally agree with that about Love. I would prefer him start over Nunn for sure, I just worry will he be healthy this off season (we'll never truly know) and will he stay healthy the entire regular season next year. We really need him to up his defense if he's going to not be an offensive only weapon.

Nunn is just a low tier big 12 player at best, outside of a couple conference games against lesser competition where he got hot, nothing about his game makes me think he's even a middle of the pack power 5 starter.

Turn out the lites..'24-'25 Natty hopes out the window, with Aidoo to hawgs. VJ will now follow Brooks to KY. Just when it was SO CLOSE...now, AGAIN so far away!! We have a coach that doesn't have the hoss power!!

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Turn out the lites..'24-'25 Natty hopes out the window, with Aidoo to hawgs. VJ will now follow Brooks to KY. Just when it was SO CLOSE...now, AGAIN so far away!! We have a coach that doesn't have the hoss power!!

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What are you on?

Nunn is not a low-tier player, he is a starting-caliber player on a very good team. Not sure where the Nunn disrespect is coming from. Once he got comfortable he was a great for us from January on. He also seems like a good kid and a hard worker. If he can work on his deficiencies (secondary ball-handling and on the ball defense) he will be an all-conference caliber player for us next year.

As the season wore on most of Langston's minutes came from Nunn, and then Langston got hurt.

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As the season wore on most of Langston's minutes came from Nunn, and then Langston got hurt.

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And once Love went down, Nunn fully broke out and out team was much better overall. I'm excited to see what an off-season of work will do for his game.

Did we miss on Aidoo? Did we offer?

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Nope. He just visited because he heard Diadoloso was that weekend.

With Aidoo officially out of the mix, it will be interesting to see what big(s) we shift our attention to now.

There are still some good ones uncommitted.

One under-the-radar name I'd be interested in if we miss on more high-profile targets is Abou Ousmane, who previously played for North Texas and, most recently, Xavier.

I don't know what kind of interest there is either way, but he'd be a guy capable of helping us on both ends.

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I get what you mean but I don't trust the staff to be able to pull some raw out talent type scheme.

That strategy would call for us to go all out for the Seton Hall transfer, pick up a filler guy and just roll the ball out there. Don't love that option.

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This is of course assuming we run a scheme like the last few years which who knows if that's the case with Jakus gone.

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I don't understand this part of your post. What makes you think we were running Jakus's system, rather than Jakus was responsible for implementing Drew's system? This isn't football, where the HC is often a CEO and the OC/DC run their own distinct systems and often call the plays. The HC in basketball determines the system and style, and is calling the plays on both offense and defense the vast majority of the time.

And this is not a criticism directed at you, specifically. I've noticed this fairly often with our fanbase when referring to basketball strategy (Tang being the defensive guy, McCasland calling plays, etc., etc.). It's weird and, frankly, disrespectful to Coach Drew.

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IvanBear said:

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I get what you mean but I don't trust the staff to be able to pull some raw out talent type scheme.

That strategy would call for us to go all out for the Seton Hall transfer, pick up a filler guy and just roll the ball out there. Don't love that option.

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This is of course assuming we run a scheme like the last few years which who knows if that's the case with Jakus gone.

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I don't understand this part of your post. What makes you think we were running Jakus's system, rather than Jakus was responsible for implementing Drew's system? This isn't football, where the HC is often a CEO and the OC/DC run their own distinct systems and often call the plays. The HC in basketball determines the system and style, and is calling the plays on both offense and defense the vast majority of the time.

And this is not a criticism directed at you, specifically. I've noticed this fairly often with our fanbase when referring to basketball strategy (Tang being the defensive guy, McCasland calling plays, etc., etc.). It's weird and, frankly, disrespectful to Coach Drew.

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What you're suggesting here is that assistant coaches don't have major responsibilities. The absolutely are more involved in certain aspects of the team than the head coach is, that's why the role exists. Elite college head coaches are elite CEOs who have great staffs around them that let them delegate so they don't spend all their time implementing one aspect of their team and neglecting another.

It's not disrespectful to Drew to say Tang was in charge of defense and we've struggled to figure out how to get similar results so far without him. Or credit the guys who have been running our offense overt the years.

Offensive and defensive systems have to be implemented, the head coach is not doing all that work, and most are not developing every aspect of the offense or defense that's why you have assistants. In the picture you paint assistants are just there to be, idk, glorified GAs? You're too tied up on comparing it too football for an analogy, just because the head coach is calling plays and sets during a game doesn't mean he's developing all the plays and sets himself. Also he's absolutely got his assistants in his ear at timeouts making suggestions and watching for different aspects of the game to help him know what to call in the game. Ever notice how when we take timeouts some of the time will be spent just Drew and his assistants talking before he goes and gives plays? That's the assistants coaching the coach.

All you ever hear about Jakus is what a genius he is for the guard position and how much he really gets and understands running offense. All you have to do is look at when he was promoted to an assistant in 2017 to mark in time when we started taking a noticeable shift towards a different style of offensive sets and offensive philosophy. Doesn't mean Drew wasn't involved, but it's totally fair to say Jakus was a major part and deserves a lot of credit for the new system implemented. That system won us a natty. We know Jakus was in charge of guards. He did a lot of the teaching and coaching there specifically. Now he's gone player development will look different too. Jakus will be a big loss which is good. That means Drew is doing something right with his staff.

So next year, guard play is going to look different here without Jakus. I'm sure it'll look similar at first because the system isn't going away Drew has final say on what kind of offense and defense we run, but I'm also positive it'll evolve into something new in the next couple years as the game continues to evolve and new coaches will be tweaking the system.

It's like when Drew decided to finally switch back to man to man defense, he didn't implement that defense all by himself. Drew is ultimately the guy responsible for changing the team over to no middle, but why would you ever discredit the hard work of the guys on his staff to develop the defensive sets and players to the point to get them there.

If you want another great example outside of Baylor, look at Danny Manning and KU. Dude was one of the elite big men developers and KU hasn't looked the same in developing big men since he left. That doesn't mean KU isn't a great place for big men, but it does mean they had to change things when he left. In the inverse look at Kenny Payne who was an elite assistant and a terrible head coach. He couldn't manage all the aspects of the CEO role that comes with being a head coach so his teams sucked. But he sure is good at player development.

Assistants matter a lot in college, especially ones with development roles and scheme responsibilities. I think you're underrating the CEO role in basketball just because in game management looks different than football.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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IvanBear said:

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I get what you mean but I don't trust the staff to be able to pull some raw out talent type scheme.

That strategy would call for us to go all out for the Seton Hall transfer, pick up a filler guy and just roll the ball out there. Don't love that option.

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This is of course assuming we run a scheme like the last few years which who knows if that's the case with Jakus gone.

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I don't understand this part of your post. What makes you think we were running Jakus's system, rather than Jakus was responsible for implementing Drew's system? This isn't football, where the HC is often a CEO and the OC/DC run their own distinct systems and often call the plays. The HC in basketball determines the system and style, and is calling the plays on both offense and defense the vast majority of the time.

And this is not a criticism directed at you, specifically. I've noticed this fairly often with our fanbase when referring to basketball strategy (Tang being the defensive guy, McCasland calling plays, etc., etc.). It's weird and, frankly, disrespectful to Coach Drew.

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What you're suggesting here is that assistant coaches don't have major responsibilities. The absolutely are more involved in certain aspects of the team than the head coach is, that's why the role exists. Elite college head coaches are elite CEOs who have great staffs around them that let them delegate so they don't spend all their time implementing one aspect of their team and neglecting another.

It's not disrespectful to Drew to say Tang was in charge of defense and we've struggled to figure out how to get similar results so far without him. Or credit the guys who have been running our offense overt the years.

Offensive and defensive systems have to be implemented, the head coach is not doing all that work, and most are not developing every aspect of the offense or defense that's why you have assistants. In the picture you paint assistants are just there to be, idk, glorified GAs? You're too tied up on comparing it too football for an analogy, just because the head coach is calling plays and sets during a game doesn't mean he's developing all the plays and sets himself. Also he's absolutely got his assistants in his ear at timeouts making suggestions and watching for different aspects of the game to help him know what to call in the game. Ever notice how when we take timeouts some of the time will be spent just Drew and his assistants talking before he goes and gives plays? That's the assistants coaching the coach.

All you ever hear about Jakus is what a genius he is for the guard position and how much he really gets and understands running offense. All you have to do is look at when he was promoted to an assistant in 2017 to mark in time when we started taking a noticeable shift towards a different style of offensive sets and offensive philosophy. Doesn't mean Drew wasn't involved, but it's totally fair to say Jakus was a major part and deserves a lot of credit for the new system implemented. That system won us a natty. We know Jakus was in charge of guards. He did a lot of the teaching and coaching there specifically. Now he's gone player development will look different too. Jakus will be a big loss which is good. That means Drew is doing something right with his staff.

So next year, guard play is going to look different here without Jakus. I'm sure it'll look similar at first because the system isn't going away Drew has final say on what kind of offense and defense we run, but I'm also positive it'll evolve into something new in the next couple years as the game continues to evolve and new coaches will be tweaking the system.

It's like when Drew decided to finally switch back to man to man defense, he didn't implement that defense all by himself. Drew is ultimately the guy responsible for changing the team over to no middle, but why would you ever discredit the hard work of the guys on his staff to develop the defensive sets and players to the point to get them there.

If you want another great example outside of Baylor, look at Danny Manning and KU. Dude was one of the elite big men developers and KU hasn't looked the same in developing big men since he left. That doesn't mean KU isn't a great place for big men, but it does mean they had to change things when he left. In the inverse look at Kenny Payne who was an elite assistant and a terrible head coach. He couldn't manage all the aspects of the CEO role that comes with being a head coach so his teams sucked. But he sure is good at player development.

Assistants matter a lot in college, especially ones with development roles and scheme responsibilities. I think you're underrating the CEO role in basketball just because in game management looks different than football.

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I never even came close to suggesting assistants don't have major responsibilities. You're getting pretty far out on some logical limbs, here.

What I'm saying is, the assistants in this program run the head coach's system, not the other way around. Period.

We have too many posters assuming that Scott Drew doesn't know anything about coaching offense or defense, and that the reason for a team's struggle is a departed coach. Nevermind that fact that Jerome Tang was a coach at a tiny Christian high school in far suburban Houston without a college degree when Scott Drew found him. Or that Drew hired John Jakus as a graduate assistant when he was a coach for Athletes in Action in Macedonia. The man can identify talent, which is why I'm not concerned in the least about our vacant coaching positions.

I'm so confused so you're just going to randomly assign people saying hey the offense will look different next year to "Drew can't coach"? No one says that or thinks that. Or it's obvious he hasn't figured out how to fill the hole in the staff that Tang left?

We have been running an offensive system developed by Jakus and it's going to look different next year with the architect of that system gone. Silly to think otherwise. Silly to think that won't have some impact on landing guys in the portal when Drew can't point to someone on a visit and say this is the man who developed the offense you're going to play in.

Drew is not some elite X's and O's scheme developing coach that's not what he's ever been known for, which is fine I don't think that makes the best coaches anyway.

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I'm so confused so you're just going to randomly assign people saying hey the offense will look different next year to "Drew can't coach"? No one says that or thinks that. Or it's obvious he hasn't figured out how to fill the hole in the staff that Tang left?

We have been running an offensive system developed by Jakus and it's going to look different next year with the architect of that system gone. Silly to think otherwise. Silly to think that won't have some impact on landing guys in the portal when Drew can't point to someone on a visit and say this is the man who developed the offense you're going to play in.

Drew is not some elite X's and O's scheme developing coach that's not what he's ever been known for, which is fine I don't think that makes the best coaches anyway.

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Where are you getting that Jakus developed our entire offensive system?

It's a pretty big leap to get from "Jakus is the position coach for the guards in Baylor's offense"
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"Jakus single-handedly developed the entire Baylor offensive system, and our offense will look drastically different with him gone."

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I'm so confused so you're just going to randomly assign people saying hey the offense will look different next year to "Drew can't coach"? No one says that or thinks that. Or it's obvious he hasn't figured out how to fill the hole in the staff that Tang left?

We have been running an offensive system developed by Jakus and it's going to look different next year with the architect of that system gone. Silly to think otherwise. Silly to think that won't have some impact on landing guys in the portal when Drew can't point to someone on a visit and say this is the man who developed the offense you're going to play in.

Drew is not some elite X's and O's scheme developing coach that's not what he's ever been known for, which is fine I don't think that makes the best coaches anyway.

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Where are you getting that Jakus developed our entire offensive system?

It's a pretty big leap to get from "Jakus is the position coach for the guards in Baylor's offense"
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"Jakus single-handedly developed the entire Baylor offensive system, and our offense will look drastically different with him gone."

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Jakus was a lot more than a position coach so this goes back to my original response where you really just want to take responsibility away from the assistants on a basketball team.

He was instrumental in developing what we run, it doesn't look like it does without him. I've never even seen someone challenge that. It's part of the major reason why his name was up for high mid major coaching jobs this year.

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I'm so confused so you're just going to randomly assign people saying hey the offense will look different next year to "Drew can't coach"? No one says that or thinks that. Or it's obvious he hasn't figured out how to fill the hole in the staff that Tang left?

We have been running an offensive system developed by Jakus and it's going to look different next year with the architect of that system gone. Silly to think otherwise. Silly to think that won't have some impact on landing guys in the portal when Drew can't point to someone on a visit and say this is the man who developed the offense you're going to play in.

Drew is not some elite X's and O's scheme developing coach that's not what he's ever been known for, which is fine I don't think that makes the best coaches anyway.

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Where are you getting that Jakus developed our entire offensive system?

It's a pretty big leap to get from "Jakus is the position coach for the guards in Baylor's offense"
to
"Jakus single-handedly developed the entire Baylor offensive system, and our offense will look drastically different with him gone."

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Jakus was a lot more than a position coach so this goes back to my original response where you really just want to take responsibility away from the assistants on a basketball team.

He was instrumental in developing what we run, it doesn't look like it does without him. I've never even seen someone challenge that. It's part of the major reason why his name was up for high mid major coaching jobs this year.

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I don't want to take anything away from anybody. You're attributing things I never said to me so that you can make an argument against a point that was never made.

I asked where you got the information that Jakus was responsible for creating and implementing our offense - a question you still haven't answered. I know Jakus was a critical piece of the team. You don't get promoted to Associate Head Coach and sit in the #1 assistant chair in this program without big-time responsibilities. But, again, it's a pretty big leap to say he was "the guy" that created our offense, and that we'll be running a significantly altered system without him next year.

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You, BleedGreen, and Bear2be2 a week ago were in denial when I said we are missing on a lot of our first choices in the portal.

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Me? Nope. Can't speak for the others, but you are moving the goalpost. You said specifically that so many people told you we had Aidoo. No one said that. No one has any info. It's just a bunch of sad white guys living vicariously through our school's sports teams, myself included, yourself included.

But I never was in denial about missing out on guys because I have no idea what's going on.

But you don't either.

Trying to move on to next opportunities...

I see that Jaydin Toppin, PF Freshman from New Mexico Just announced for the portal right before the deadline. Dallas kid, not sure if we recruited him at all. Had good numbers in Freshman year at NM. 9 plus rebounds a game gets my attention. This could be a guy who could play for 2-3 years (or enter the portal each year, anything is possible). Anyone seen him play?

We will be a tourney team next year.

We will add two more players in the portal. I don't believe Flagler was a top 10 rated transfer. Not sure RayJ was.

Drew doesn't just offer every player in the portal. They must fit JOY and be somewhat of a system fit.

The new assistants will be good. We keep losing them because Drew keeps finding them.

13 scholarships in college basketball.

5 returning players.

3 Freshmen.

1 Transfer signed.


I think we'll add 3 transfers at a minimum, but likely only two more top flight guys.

IvanBear said:

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13 scholarships in college basketball.

5 returning players.

3 Freshmen.

1 Transfer signed.


I think we'll add 3 transfers at a minimum, but likely only two more top flight guys.

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We are not the only ones in upheaval:

Sources: Kansas State's Arthur Kaluma plans to enter portal

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IvanBear said:

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13 scholarships in college basketball.

5 returning players.

3 Freshmen.

1 Transfer signed.


I think we'll add 3 transfers at a minimum, but likely only two more top flight guys.

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We are not the only ones in upheaval:

Sources: Kansas State's Arthur Kaluma plans to enter portal

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I wouldn't say we're really in upheaval. We only had one transfer out, and that was likely encouraged. Everyone we lost was expected.

We're just in the process of reloading our roster through the portal and are working on/weighing our options.

I'd much rather be in our position than Kansas State's. They're losing their best players to the portal every year. And they often come late and by surprise.

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TWD 1974 said:

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IvanBear said:

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13 scholarships in college basketball.

5 returning players.

3 Freshmen.

1 Transfer signed.


I think we'll add 3 transfers at a minimum, but likely only two more top flight guys.

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We are not the only ones in upheaval:

Sources: Kansas State's Arthur Kaluma plans to enter portal

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I wouldn't say we're really in upheaval. We only had one transfer out, and that was likely encouraged. Everyone we lost was expected.

We're just in the process of reloading our roster through the portal and are working on/weighing our options.

I'd much rather be in our position than Kansas State's. They're losing their best players to the portal every year. And they often come late and by surprise.

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Big agree there's nothing to worry about in regards to our roster, I'm just saying we have a lot of open spots so we'll almost have to take more than 3 total transfers just to fill out scholarships.

Tang should have taken that Arkansas job. There's something toxic with the K-State athletic department and how its basketball program gets treated. When it really should be the crown jewel of their athletics department.

Fair. Wasn't sure on exact scholarship count but I'd expect two more guys expected to play serious minutes.

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Jonas Aidoo YOU 🫵 are an Arkansas Razorback 🐽 pic.twitter.com/RbhZrLNqJ8

— Aiden Bowen (@aidenbwps) April 29, 2024

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Not sure what his NBA prospects are but I can see this a situation where he basically will go to the highest bidder to earn whatever he can before he needs a real job - while we need a tougher presence in the middle - I also don't want Drew overspending.

I am very much cheering for Coach Cal to fall flat on his face this year...

This board seems to frequently forget that basketball is played at a pretty high and well-paying level overseas.

There will definitely be fringe NBA guys who stay in college to maximize their NIL earnings, but all of those guys will be playing professionally after they're done, whether it's in the league or not.

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gobears20 said:

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Jonas Aidoo YOU 🫵 are an Arkansas Razorback 🐽 pic.twitter.com/RbhZrLNqJ8

— Aiden Bowen (@aidenbwps) April 29, 2024

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Not sure what his NBA prospects are but I can see this a situation where he basically will go to the highest bidder to earn whatever he can before he needs a real job - while we need a tougher presence in the middle - I also don't want Drew overspending.

I am very much cheering for Coach Cal to fall flat on his face this year...

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It's highly unlikely to happen. He is bringing in an insane portal haul. Cal with experienced talent could be dangerous.

bear2be2 said:

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BluesBear said:

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gobears20 said:

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Jonas Aidoo YOU 🫵 are an Arkansas Razorback 🐽 pic.twitter.com/RbhZrLNqJ8

— Aiden Bowen (@aidenbwps) April 29, 2024

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Not sure what his NBA prospects are but I can see this a situation where he basically will go to the highest bidder to earn whatever he can before he needs a real job - while we need a tougher presence in the middle - I also don't want Drew overspending.

I am very much cheering for Coach Cal to fall flat on his face this year...

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It's highly unlikely to happen. He is bringing in an insane portal haul. Cal with experienced talent could be dangerous.

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Sounds familiar... text me when they make the second round.

TWD 1974 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BluesBear said:

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gobears20 said:

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Jonas Aidoo YOU 🫵 are an Arkansas Razorback 🐽 pic.twitter.com/RbhZrLNqJ8

— Aiden Bowen (@aidenbwps) April 29, 2024

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Not sure what his NBA prospects are but I can see this a situation where he basically will go to the highest bidder to earn whatever he can before he needs a real job - while we need a tougher presence in the middle - I also don't want Drew overspending.

I am very much cheering for Coach Cal to fall flat on his face this year...

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It's highly unlikely to happen. He is bringing in an insane portal haul. Cal with experienced talent could be dangerous.

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Sounds familiar... text me when they make the second round.

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Cal hasn't had experienced players in years, it is very different.

Having said that I'm not super broken up about missing out on Aidoo but we don't currently see a better option so it's not exactly a positive we got out bid, even if that means he's just money chasing this final year.

This. UKs roster this year was head n shoulders the best in CBB. Yes it was a young roster. And he still crapped the bed.
He's a bad X, O's guy. He can recruit better than pretty much ever D1 coach. But that only does so much

IvanBear said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BluesBear said:

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gobears20 said:

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Jonas Aidoo YOU 🫵 are an Arkansas Razorback 🐽 pic.twitter.com/RbhZrLNqJ8

— Aiden Bowen (@aidenbwps) April 29, 2024

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Not sure what his NBA prospects are but I can see this a situation where he basically will go to the highest bidder to earn whatever he can before he needs a real job - while we need a tougher presence in the middle - I also don't want Drew overspending.

I am very much cheering for Coach Cal to fall flat on his face this year...

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It's highly unlikely to happen. He is bringing in an insane portal haul. Cal with experienced talent could be dangerous.

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Sounds familiar... text me when they make the second round.

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Cal hasn't had experienced players in years, it is very different.

Having said that I'm not super broken up about missing out on Aidoo but we don't currently see a better option so it's not exactly a positive we got out bid, even if that means he's just money chasing this final year.

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2022-22 Kentucky, top three scorers on the season were transfers (Tshiebwe, Reeves, Toppin)
2023-24 Kentucky, Reeves carried the team, 20ppg. Tre Mitchell was their leading rebounder.
Cal didn't go huge into the portal but he got really good players when he did.
Problem as I see it (aside from the creeping notion that Cal isn't the basketball genius), is he tends to discard most of his hand every year, always getting top talent, Freshman or transfer. 12 years ago, he got a winning hand, hasn't really found one since.