Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

All you "the players should be paid" people, here you go, it's all yours. Eat it up.

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IvanBear said:

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IowaBear said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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Hard eye roll on this one. Rob Wright is exactly the type of player you've championed us signing for 3 years. He's a great player without elite measureables who is going to be a multi-year college player. Only when he shows he's low character, you change your tune on him and say we were star chasing? C'mon, man.

IvanBear said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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IvanBear said:

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IowaBear said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

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You need to put the keyboard down and go touch some grass, bud.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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Hard eye roll on this one. Rob Wright is exactly the type of player you've championed us signing for 3 years. He's a great player without elite measureables who is going to be a multi-year college player. Only when he shows he's low character, you change your tune on him and say we were star chasing? C'mon, man.

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I don't know these kids. I trust our staff to vet their character.

If you believe there were no signs anywhere what Robert Wright's priorities were before today, I've got some ocean front property in Abilene to sell you.

You can't hype our culture and then make excuses each and every time it fails.

I want guys who want to come to Baylor to be developed and win. We don't even try to recruit those. We chase stars and brag about draft picks. And this is what it has gotten us.

Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

Mitch Henessey said:

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IvanBear said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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IvanBear said:

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IowaBear said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

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You need to put the keyboard down and go touch some grass, bud.

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Mitch defend us as a good program in 2023-2025. What did baylor do that put them in the elite discussion. The game changed Scott hasn't and we DON'T HAVE A RETURNING PLAYER. In sports players get old and coaches get passed by. It looks like Drew is getting passed by right now. Are you excited for the all new roster this year and then all new roster again next year because that's what we're signed up for.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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Hard eye roll on this one. Rob Wright is exactly the type of player you've championed us signing for 3 years. He's a great player without elite measureables who is going to be a multi-year college player. Only when he shows he's low character, you change your tune on him and say we were star chasing? C'mon, man.

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I don't know these kids. I trust our staff to vet their character.

If you believe there were no signs anywhere what Robert Wright's priorities were before today, I've got some ocean front property in Abilene to sell you.

You can't hype our culture and then make excuses each and every time it fails.

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I didn't say anything defending his character. What he did is classless. Full stop.

What I'm critiquing is your calling it "star-chasing" when he's the exact player type you said we should be recruiting exclusively, and have said on multiple occasions this year. Be pissed off and disappointed all you want. Hell, I'm pissed off and disappointed. But don't retcon your views to fit the current circumstances.

IvanBear said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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IvanBear said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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IvanBear said:

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IowaBear said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

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You need to put the keyboard down and go touch some grass, bud.

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Mitch defend us as a good program in 2023-2025. What did baylor do that put them in the elite discussion. The game changed Scott hasn't and we DON'T HAVE A RETURNING PLAYER. In sports players get old and coaches get passed by. It looks like Drew is getting passed by right now. Are you excited for the all new roster this year and then all new roster again next year because that's what we're signed up for.

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Not defending anything other than your having consistently terrible takes on basketball.

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Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

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Yep… The timing of this is what sucks the most. He left us at the altar.

It still would've sucked… But at least we could've planned better if he had let us know as soon as the season was over like most did.

I'm more with you here. Our program is viewed as marks that can be played. The players smell that a mile away. It isn't cool, but you have to have your eyes wide open at all times. They got played.

Again, not how I do business so I understand fans here will be pissed.

In an ideal world all "market" offers are fielded up front so Bu could make a decision and in case of inevitable last minute offers they communicate with us. But that's not how it goes down and the program had to be well aware Wright is the type of player that will be in crazy demand

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I'll leave y'all to it. Was rumored for a few days but never heard anything directly. It's a wrap if they don't keep him.

Again, even if they retain him looks like most of us were completely right that our staff has been schooled so far in this era. Being played for a fool.

Have to stabilize quickly or risk the bottom falling out.

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The bottom has fallen out. Drew has a rebuild like he just got hired by a school that fired their coach, and he's not defending his players from tampering.

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Tampering is not a thing anymore. Agent asks his player if he has any interest in certain schools. Some may have only one or two they'd leave for.

A D1 coach told me an assistant from another school came by his office to say hi, and he was visiting a player on roster. It's crazy. (last year)

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All you "the players should be paid" people, here you go, it's all yours. Eat it up.

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And those are the same people who say "Other schools were doing it all along and now it's just legal" Bullcrap! Yes, there were and always will be cheaters, but most programs played roughly within the rules. The state of college sports today is because the NCAA got their balls chopped off in court, plain and simple. Now the biggest bag wins. The things coaches used to sell and recruit for -- culture, fit, potential-- don't make a rat's @$$ of difference.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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Hard eye roll on this one. Rob Wright is exactly the type of player you've championed us signing for 3 years. He's a great player without elite measureables who is going to be a multi-year college player. Only when he shows he's low character, you change your tune on him and say we were star chasing? C'mon, man.

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I don't know these kids. I trust our staff to vet their character.

If you believe there were no signs anywhere what Robert Wright's priorities were before today, I've got some ocean front property in Abilene to sell you.

You can't hype our culture and then make excuses each and every time it fails.

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I didn't say anything defending his character. What he did is classless. Full stop.

What I'm critiquing is your calling it "star-chasing" when he's the exact player type you said we should be recruiting exclusively, and have said on multiple occasions this year. Be pissed off and disappointed all you want. Hell, I'm pissed off and disappointed. But don't retcon your views to fit the current circumstances.

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Again, I want multi-year players who want to be developed and win. It is the coaching staff's job to vet those players and determine their priorities in the recruiting process.

Tom Izzo has managed to. Lance Painter has managed to. Kelvin Sampson has managed to.

Scott Drew can't ... and hasn't even tried since the national title.

He went right back to his early tenure recruiting strategy of trying to pull five stars -- fit be damned.

IvanBear said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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IvanBear said:

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IowaBear said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

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So I've got you down for "Fire Drew."

Fire Drew - 1
Keep Drew - 1 (that's me)

Let's take a vote. Who wants to fire Drew?

Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We're paying pretty big compared to the peanuts at Hou and Iowa St. It isn't simply that

boykin_spaniel said:

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Do we keep the NIL money to throw at a new PG or does Bob get to run off with some or all of it?

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Now the real questions are coming out. Ask K-state how up front paying works out..

Betrayal is worse than losing a player to injury.

When Josh enters as expected, we will have lost an entire roster outside some kid who transferred into the program in January and hasn't played. How is that even possible?

I've been an avid college basketball fan since I was 7 and never gave any attention to the NBA. I think it's time for me to move to the NBA where there are at least some guardrails and familiarity and continuity with who will be on the roster of my favorite team.

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We're paying pretty big compared to the peanuts at Hou and Iowa St. It isn't simply that

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The same people who brag about our NIL apparatus when we land a big fish use it as an excuse when someone leaves.

We clearly have money. The problem is resource allocation, not capacity.

There are programs with lesser resources building better, more complete, more sustainable rosters.

My son is a current student at Baylor and the rumor he has heard on campus is that Wright's dad is very involved. Supposedly the staff has had to work to keep the dad away from the team this year and the rumor is he is pushing Rob to jump for more money.

We have been able to avoid the helicopter/AAU parent at Baylor. It will also be interesting to see where Wright lands and who the coach is for the tampering issue. If it is an SEC school, Rick Pitino, North Carolina, or TCU, it is most definitely tampering.

If you watched college game day before the final four, Fran was discussing the new revenue sharing model that comes in next year. He said players will sign contracts with teams like the NBA that will be multi-year and legally binding with possibly buy-out fees. I think this year is a "tread water" year for Drew and then shift to the new situation.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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Hard eye roll on this one. Rob Wright is exactly the type of player you've championed us signing for 3 years. He's a great player without elite measureables who is going to be a multi-year college player. Only when he shows he's low character, you change your tune on him and say we were star chasing? C'mon, man.

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I don't know these kids. I trust our staff to vet their character.

If you believe there were no signs anywhere what Robert Wright's priorities were before today, I've got some ocean front property in Abilene to sell you.

You can't hype our culture and then make excuses each and every time it fails.

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I didn't say anything defending his character. What he did is classless. Full stop.

What I'm critiquing is your calling it "star-chasing" when he's the exact player type you said we should be recruiting exclusively, and have said on multiple occasions this year. Be pissed off and disappointed all you want. Hell, I'm pissed off and disappointed. But don't retcon your views to fit the current circumstances.

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Again, I want multi-year players who want to be developed and win. It is the coaching staff's job to vet those players and determine their priorities in the recruiting process.

Tom Izzo has managed to. Lance Painter has managed to. Kelvin Sampson has managed to.

Scott Drew can't ... and hasn't even tried since the national title.

He went right back to his early tenure recruiting strategy of trying to pull five stars -- fit be damned.

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Tom Izzo probably isn't the best example to use, seeing as he lost his captain, the guy he called the "heart and soul" of the team, to the portal the day after they lost in the Elite 8.

You can say Drew hasn't tried, or you can listen to what he's said. He's said in multiple interviews that the key is to get old and stay old. He's also said that everyone is kind of grappling in the dark under the current rules (which is to say, there are no rules) with regards to team building. It's totally fair to criticize the roster building the last couple of years. But saying the guy doesn't know what he's doing or isn't even trying anymore is ludicrous (you haven't said the former, but it's in this thread from others). Drew is on record saying that he's basically trying to figure it out on the fly (most programs are, btw) until there are some guardrails put in place in the next year or two.

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When Josh enters as expected, we will have lost an entire roster outside some kid who transferred into the program in January and hasn't played. How is that even possible?

I've been an avid college basketball fan since I was 7 and never gave any attention to the NBA. I think it's time for me to move to the NBA where there are at least some guardrails and familiarity and continuity with who will be on the roster of my favorite team.

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If you're a college basketball fan, you likely won't enjoy the NBA game very much.

The talent level and shot-making ability are amazing, but every team runs either a pick-and-roll based offense or a four- or five-out scheme with one primary ball-handler and four guys hanging out on the 3-point line waiting for a pass off isolation.

Add in load management and a complete lack of urgency/defensive intensity until the playoffs and the product is almost unwatchable until the postseason.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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Hard eye roll on this one. Rob Wright is exactly the type of player you've championed us signing for 3 years. He's a great player without elite measureables who is going to be a multi-year college player. Only when he shows he's low character, you change your tune on him and say we were star chasing? C'mon, man.

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I don't know these kids. I trust our staff to vet their character.

If you believe there were no signs anywhere what Robert Wright's priorities were before today, I've got some ocean front property in Abilene to sell you.

You can't hype our culture and then make excuses each and every time it fails.

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I didn't say anything defending his character. What he did is classless. Full stop.

What I'm critiquing is your calling it "star-chasing" when he's the exact player type you said we should be recruiting exclusively, and have said on multiple occasions this year. Be pissed off and disappointed all you want. Hell, I'm pissed off and disappointed. But don't retcon your views to fit the current circumstances.

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Again, I want multi-year players who want to be developed and win. It is the coaching staff's job to vet those players and determine their priorities in the recruiting process.

Tom Izzo has managed to. Lance Painter has managed to. Kelvin Sampson has managed to.

Scott Drew can't ... and hasn't even tried since the national title.

He went right back to his early tenure recruiting strategy of trying to pull five stars -- fit be damned.

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Tom Izzo probably isn't the best example to use, seeing as he lost his captain, the guy he called the "heart and soul" of the team, to the portal the day after they lost in the Elite 8.

You can say Drew hasn't tried, or you can listen to what he's said. He's said in multiple interviews that the key is to get old and stay old. He's also said that everyone is kind of grappling in the dark under the current rules (which is to say, there are no rules) with regards to team building. It's totally fair to criticize the roster building the last couple of years. But saying the guy doesn't know what he's doing or isn't even trying anymore is ludicrous (you haven't said the former, but it's in this thread from others). Drew is on record saying that he's basically trying to figure it out on the fly (most programs are, btw) until there are some guardrails put in place in the next year or two.

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Everyone has some transfers. But you don't want to compare the Michigan State roster to the Baylor roster in a continuity discussion, I assure you.

And all of these things I'm talking about now were problems three and four years ago. I've been talking about them for years -- much to the frustration of others who have since come around to my side.

Scott Drew doesn't value roster continuity at all. It's clear in the way he's recruited since the national title. Other coaches who do have had far greater success retaining talent than we have.

That doesn't mean they retain all of the players they want to keep. No one does in the portal era. But they're not reshuffling the deck every damn year the way we are.

You know that's not fair...or accurate..

So who is the rumored tampering school?

Did dad cut a deal with Kansas, Auburn, UNC, Bama, Kentucky, Arkansas, BYU, Duke, St. John's?

Surprised by this. A big fan. Good player. A great example of a young man who probably will make more in next three years than in a pro career. But, although it is late, @BaylorMBB can take that investment and spread money around to build deeper roster. Probably needed to know… https://t.co/iYlrPG2UgS

— Fran Fraschilla (@franfraschilla) April 7, 2025

Big East school. It'll end up being SJ

PaperBear89 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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THIS!!!! Give me a pissed off 3 star any day of the week.

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One good year from a 3* and they will dart for a NIL bag as well nobody's loyal anymore get that out of yalls heads

TT, Houston, ISU, BYU seem to have plenty of loyalty

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 useful players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.