FB team has an incredible retention rate. Arandas been able to get players to buy in long term. For now at least

College athletics is a joke today. Paying players has turned college sports into a D league for the pros. The pressure to win has coaches, fans, & players all chasing money while college education means nothing. Blame goes to everyone who said let's pay these kids while acting like academically still meant something. Blame goes to fans who keep supporting it all. Blame the NCAA for having no integrity or accountability. Bottom line college sports had been destroyed.

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Not sure this is huge loss. Very inconsistent player. Didn't always play with a high motor. Struggled to finish at the rim. 3 point shot was hit and miss (mostly miss) and had some critical turnovers at key moments. Did hit some clutch free throws but wouldn't call him a clutch player. I know he was a freshman and should show improvement. I guess we will find out with another team.

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What the actual *****are you talking about?

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IvanBear said:

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IowaBear said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

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So I've got you down for "Fire Drew."

Fire Drew - 1
Keep Drew - 1 (that's me)

Let's take a vote. Who wants to fire Drew?

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Anyone who seriously suggests firing Drew needs to have their IP address permabanned from this site. There's a very good chance that Baylor MBB will tank once Drew is gone, similar to what happened with WBB when Kim left (can't stand her, but she was elite and, like Drew, the only reason Baylor was successful). He's the only thing keeping us relevant. I have no clue how we can increase the student body population, build a new arena, win a natty and still somehow have a terrible fanbase.

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If women's basketball has "tanked" under Collen, who has averaged 25.5 wins per season, won one Big 12 championship, played for another and has a Sweet Sixteen to go with three Round of 32 appearances, how would you describe our men's basketball performance over the same time period?

Success has levels obviously. But if we're going to lament a drop from Kim's level to Collen's, we should probably at least acknowledge the significant dip our men's basketball program has taken over the past four years.

No one is suggesting that Drew should be fired. But there is nothing at all wrong with pointing out that our program is in a stagnant place right now with no discernible plan for how to get out of this rut.

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There's far far far more parity in men's basketball. And the success rate in WBB was much higher under Mulkey vs. Drew (especially because men's programs don't tend to dominate like women's programs).

Kim's WORST finish since 2010 was a Sweet 16 (twice). Nicki's BEST finish in 4 years has been 1 Sweet 16. Attendance has dropped from around 5,500 to around 3,500 despite having a new arena.

Drew's first Final Four was a national title. Other than that, 2 Elite Eight appearances. You can't really compare that to a women's program that made the Elite Eight nearly every year. Kim, Geno, and Staley have completely dominated women's basketball over the past 20 years. Nothing like that exists in men's basketball.

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Smashmouth said:

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Not sure this is huge loss. Very inconsistent player. Didn't always play with a high motor. Struggled to finish at the rim. 3 point shot was hit and miss (mostly miss) and had some critical turnovers at key moments. Did hit some clutch free throws but wouldn't call him a clutch player. I know he was a freshman and should show improvement. I guess we will find out with another team.

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What the actual *****are you talking about?

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Did you watch any games this year?

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Smashmouth said:

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Not sure this is huge loss. Very inconsistent player. Didn't always play with a high motor. Struggled to finish at the rim. 3 point shot was hit and miss (mostly miss) and had some critical turnovers at key moments. Did hit some clutch free throws but wouldn't call him a clutch player. I know he was a freshman and should show improvement. I guess we will find out with another team.

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What the actual *****are you talking about?

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Did you watch any games this year?

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Freshman pgs barely even play typically. Huge leaps are made physically and mentally in year 2.

Wright has special potential. It's a huge loss unless they can swing a physical talented veteran point that's probably already scooped up

Just FYI, for all those holding up Houston as some paragon of roster-building in the NIL era, they're bringing in 3 one-and-done freshmen next year.

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Not sure this is huge loss. Very inconsistent player. Didn't always play with a high motor. Struggled to finish at the rim. 3 point shot was hit and miss (mostly miss) and had some critical turnovers at key moments. Did hit some clutch free throws but wouldn't call him a clutch player. I know he was a freshman and should show improvement. I guess we will find out with another team.

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What the actual *****are you talking about?

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Did you watch any games this year?

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Freshman pgs barely even play typically. Huge leaps are made physically and mentally in year 2.

Wright has special potential. It's a huge loss unless they can swing a physical talented veteran point that's probably already scooped up

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I totally agree with you. I'm not saying Wright didn't showed signs of becoming a great PG with some experience but I wasn't convinced he was going to be the leader at PG we all were hoping he would be. I was cautiously optimistic but I guess we will find out just not in a Baylor uniform.

Baylor get your **** together. Get Wright and any other portal transfer defect off the Baylor websites and I hope that once Drew was told the news, Baylor told Wright he has 24 hours to get his **** out of student housing.

Duck that dude.

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Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

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Seriously? Who are all these elite players we legitimately passed on?

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When Josh enters as expected, we will have lost an entire roster outside some kid who transferred into the program in January and hasn't played. How is that even possible?

I've been an avid college basketball fan since I was 7 and never gave any attention to the NBA. I think it's time for me to move to the NBA where there are at least some guardrails and familiarity and continuity with who will be on the roster of my favorite team.

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If you're a college basketball fan, you likely won't enjoy the NBA game very much.

The talent level and shot-making ability are amazing, but every team runs either a pick-and-roll based offense or a four- or five-out scheme with one primary ball-handler and four guys hanging out on the 3-point line waiting for a pass off isolation.

Add in load management and a complete lack of urgency/defensive intensity until the playoffs and the product is almost unwatchable until the postseason.

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NBA has sucked for years and years and years. Total waste of time

Layup % going up next year

Which is nice.

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When Josh enters as expected, we will have lost an entire roster outside some kid who transferred into the program in January and hasn't played. How is that even possible?

I've been an avid college basketball fan since I was 7 and never gave any attention to the NBA. I think it's time for me to move to the NBA where there are at least some guardrails and familiarity and continuity with who will be on the roster of my favorite team.

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If you're a college basketball fan, you likely won't enjoy the NBA game very much.

The talent level and shot-making ability are amazing, but every team runs either a pick-and-roll based offense or a four- or five-out scheme with one primary ball-handler and four guys hanging out on the 3-point line waiting for a pass off isolation.

Add in load management and a complete lack of urgency/defensive intensity until the playoffs and the product is almost unwatchable until the postseason.

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NBA has sucked for years and years and years. Total waste of time

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Before the Mavericks committed hari-kiri with the Luka Doncic trade, I used to enjoy the NBA playoffs. But the regular season is a complete a waste of time.

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Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

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Seriously? Who are all these elite players we legitimately passed on?

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I had the same question. Feels like there's plenty of room on our roster at the moment…

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I don't disagree with that. I'm as critical as anyone in regarding to recruiting/roster construction. Part of that is Drew's personality. He's soft (not dissing him) but that typically rubs off on these types of recruits.

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I love Drew but he is soft. Cryer played through all his little injuries for Kelvin. He would have sat out at least 4 games with Drew.

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I don't disagree with that. I'm as critical as anyone in regarding to recruiting/roster construction. Part of that is Drew's personality. He's soft (not dissing him) but that typically rubs off on these types of recruits.

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I love Drew but he is soft. Cryer played through all his little injuries for Kelvin. He would have sat out at least 4 games with Drew.

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Dude, Cryer had surgery on both feet in-season in the same year. I'd like to see how Kelvin hardasses his way into making a guy play through surgery.

I think CSD is an amazing man and a terrific coach. He brought us a national championship just a few years prior.

But, part of being a great coach today is coming up with a winning formula for all of the things not only on the court, but off the court; NIL. So far, he hasn't discovered it as he's been unable to get us past the second round of the tournament.

I think he will get it right, but what he's doing isn't working.

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bear2be2 said:

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Art_E_Guinn said:

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IvanBear said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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This one's not on Drew. This is on Rob Wright for being a grade A *****.
I've been critical of Drew's roster construction (still am) but this isn't on Drew whatsoever

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This just continues to make drew look like a sucker. He doesn't seem to know what he's doing, his staff defections last year now look worse on him, and the defections are more a function of his inability to roster build.

Good teams and good coaches aren't losing centerpieces, they're managing personalities he failed at that here

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So he's a bad coach?

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Trailing two years analysis makes it look like he's not ready to be a good coach in the NIL era. He needs to change or retire, the game has changed.

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So I've got you down for "Fire Drew."

Fire Drew - 1
Keep Drew - 1 (that's me)

Let's take a vote. Who wants to fire Drew?

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Anyone who seriously suggests firing Drew needs to have their IP address permabanned from this site. There's a very good chance that Baylor MBB will tank once Drew is gone, similar to what happened with WBB when Kim left (can't stand her, but she was elite and, like Drew, the only reason Baylor was successful). He's the only thing keeping us relevant. I have no clue how we can increase the student body population, build a new arena, win a natty and still somehow have a terrible fanbase.

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If women's basketball has "tanked" under Collen, who has averaged 25.5 wins per season, won one Big 12 championship, played for another and has a Sweet Sixteen to go with three Round of 32 appearances, how would you describe our men's basketball performance over the same time period?

Success has levels obviously. But if we're going to lament a drop from Kim's level to Collen's, we should probably at least acknowledge the significant dip our men's basketball program has taken over the past four years.

No one is suggesting that Drew should be fired. But there is nothing at all wrong with pointing out that our program is in a stagnant place right now with no discernible plan for how to get out of this rut.

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There's far far far more parity in men's basketball. And the success rate in WBB was much higher under Mulkey vs. Drew (especially because men's programs don't tend to dominate like women's programs).

Kim's WORST finish since 2010 was a Sweet 16 (twice). Nicki's BEST finish in 4 years has been 1 Sweet 16. Attendance has dropped from around 5,500 to around 3,500 despite having a new arena.

Drew's first Final Four was a national title. Other than that, 2 Elite Eight appearances. You can't really compare that to a women's program that made the Elite Eight nearly every year. Kim, Geno, and Staley have completely dominated women's basketball over the past 20 years. Nothing like that exists in men's basketball.

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I still wouldn't call our WBB program "tanking." That's just spoiled fan talk.

For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

#Baylor has reached out to Michigan State guard Tre Holloman and he plans to visit.

The 6-foot-2 point guard prospect averaged 9.1 points and 3.7 assists this past season as he helped guide the Spartans to the Elite Eight. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/nAKULmeRh5

— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) April 8, 2025

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complaining or suggesting that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Please Explain that vision Drew jr. Because the vision is throw money at 5 stars who we'll waste time trying to develop or at seniors who will be fringe D League players. it's pretty nakedly obvious.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Drew has a lifetime of runway. Barring scandal, he can stay at Baylor until he retires, and almost all of us here will be happy to have him that whole time.

This isn't a "Do better or get fired" situation. It's just disappointment in our current stagnant state because we've seen what this program can be under Drew and we're not even close to that level right now.

I'm not as confident as you seem to be in Drew's current plan. I don't see any signs of course correction right now or any clear vision for what our program is supposed to be. Instead, I see a lot of the same mistakes being repeated year after year to diminishing results.

I'm not -- not would I ever be -- calling for Drew to be fired. But I am frustrated. Our program is currently treading water with teams that aren't particularly fun to watch. When you combine that with the success some of our peers are enjoying with more discernible program identities, it makes it hard to get excited about both the immediate and long-term future of our program.

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IowaBear said:

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I don't disagree with that. I'm as critical as anyone in regarding to recruiting/roster construction. Part of that is Drew's personality. He's soft (not dissing him) but that typically rubs off on these types of recruits.

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I love Drew but he is soft. Cryer played through all his little injuries for Kelvin. He would have sat out at least 4 games with Drew.

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Dude, Cryer had surgery on both feet in-season in the same year. I'd like to see how Kelvin hardasses his way into making a guy play through surgery.

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There's a lot of hyperbolic stuff being said on both sides. I've done it too.

But you know the game so you have to understand the frustration when one guy (who we blew off the floor a few years ago) can get every ounce of effort and ability out of there guys when our guy cannot.

The frustration when one guy can get nearly every major contributor back without emptying the bank while our guy cannot.

The culture (faith) that Drew leaned into harder after the title is being pitched as transcending the modern era but is being beat out handily by an ornery old dude getting emotional buy in.

Again, was it partly lucky timing around Nil and portal ? Yes. But it's not Just luck. We're on the back foot constantly. Probably need a business/gm guy and an nba alum added to help the program

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Not sure this is huge loss. Very inconsistent player. Didn't always play with a high motor. Struggled to finish at the rim. 3 point shot was hit and miss (mostly miss) and had some critical turnovers at key moments. Did hit some clutch free throws but wouldn't call him a clutch player. I know he was a freshman and should show improvement. I guess we will find out with another team.

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What the actual *****are you talking about?

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smash is a kook - always has been.

pure-blooded american kook.

- el kkm

D!

Go Bears!!

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Drew has a lifetime of runway. Barring scandal, he can stay at Baylor until he retires, and almost all of us here will be happy to have him that whole time.

This isn't a "Do better or get fired" situation. It's just disappointment in our current stagnant state because we've seen what this program can be under Drew and we're not even close to that level right now.

I'm not as confident as you seem to be in Drew's current plan. I don't see any signs of course correction right now or any clear vision for what our program is supposed to be. Instead, I see a lot of the same mistakes being repeated year after year to diminishing results.

I'm not -- not would I ever be -- calling for Drew to be fired. But I am frustrated. Our program is currently treading water with teams that aren't particularly fun to watch. When you combine that with the success some of our peers are enjoying with more discernible program identities, it makes it hard to get excited about both the immediate and long-term future of our program.

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To be clear, my frustration is not with you. You and I have different visions of what can and can't be successful in the current landscape. We have what I think is an identical vision of how we would want our ideal team constructed. Reasonable people can certainly disagree on the manner in which to accomplish a shared goal.

I'm more frustrated with the insane, inane, reactionary posts we get from some on this board after seemingly every game or piece of news. But, it's an anonymous internet message board. Getting upset about that is like getting mad at the sun for rising. Not worth the mental energy expended.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Drew has a lifetime of runway. Barring scandal, he can stay at Baylor until he retires, and almost all of us here will be happy to have him that whole time.

This isn't a "Do better or get fired" situation. It's just disappointment in our current stagnant state because we've seen what this program can be under Drew and we're not even close to that level right now.

I'm not as confident as you seem to be in Drew's current plan. I don't see any signs of course correction right now or any clear vision for what our program is supposed to be. Instead, I see a lot of the same mistakes being repeated year after year to diminishing results.

I'm not -- not would I ever be -- calling for Drew to be fired. But I am frustrated. Our program is currently treading water with teams that aren't particularly fun to watch. When you combine that with the success some of our peers are enjoying with more discernible program identities, it makes it hard to get excited about both the immediate and long-term future of our program.

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To be clear, my frustration is not with you. You and I have different visions of what can and can't be successful in the current landscape. We have what I think is an identical vision of how we would want our ideal team constructed. Reasonable people can certainly disagree on the manner in which to accomplish a shared goal.

I'm more frustrated with the insane, inane, reactionary posts we get from some on this board after seemingly every game or piece of news. But, it's an anonymous internet message board. Getting upset about that is like getting mad at the sun for rising. Not worth the mental energy expended.

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Selective use of the "ignore" feature can make your experience here more enjoyable

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Smashmouth said:

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Not sure this is huge loss. Very inconsistent player. Didn't always play with a high motor. Struggled to finish at the rim. 3 point shot was hit and miss (mostly miss) and had some critical turnovers at key moments. Did hit some clutch free throws but wouldn't call him a clutch player. I know he was a freshman and should show improvement. I guess we will find out with another team.

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What the actual *****are you talking about?

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smash is a kook - always has been.Thanks "Bill". When Rob Wright is first team All American with his new team and paycheck I'll buy you a beer. BTW Tony Bennett quit when he realized he couldn't build a team the right way under the new state of college/professional sports. I actually thought Drew might do the same thing as he was the last coach to win a Natty under the old system. Could be he won't figure out this new system. I actually think Mulkey realized Baylor didn't have the deep pockets to thrive in the new system and bolted for a program that had much deeper pockets. Drew could have done the same thing by going to Kentucky but I think he believes he can still succeed at Baylor under the new system but I have my doubts.


pure-blooded american kook.

- el kkm

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Go Bears!!

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1) salary cap - across all sports and then for each sport
2) limit transfers to 2 - 1 free - ie immediate eligibility 2nd has 1 year non eligibility
3) teams must pay compensation to school the newly signed player came from - 50%???
4) make the arbys the required fast food of the NCAA -all schools not eating Arbys at all meals will be forced to a lower division.

- el KKM

D!

Suelten a los perros, hombres!!!

I would rather be in their position, but I would not trade it for a Championship. It's just a bummer ours happened in 2021 when you couldn't have full attendance.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Drew has a lifetime of runway. Barring scandal, he can stay at Baylor until he retires, and almost all of us here will be happy to have him that whole time.

This isn't a "Do better or get fired" situation. It's just disappointment in our current stagnant state because we've seen what this program can be under Drew and we're not even close to that level right now.

I'm not as confident as you seem to be in Drew's current plan. I don't see any signs of course correction right now or any clear vision for what our program is supposed to be. Instead, I see a lot of the same mistakes being repeated year after year to diminishing results.

I'm not -- not would I ever be -- calling for Drew to be fired. But I am frustrated. Our program is currently treading water with teams that aren't particularly fun to watch. When you combine that with the success some of our peers are enjoying with more discernible program identities, it makes it hard to get excited about both the immediate and long-term future of our program.

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Can't agree with this more. One thing to add.

This is a do better or everyone's going to check out on the twilight of your career situation for Drew. I hate to see him go out as a bum like Tony Bennett, but unless he really changes something that's the basic trajectory. A national champion winning coach who squandered all the program momentum in the world because he adheres too much to a strategy that is clear at this point doesn't work (they had different strategies but increasingly similar results).

I keep going back to what Ashley said last year during the Kentucky search. Drew has about 5 years left (so now we're around 4), it's fair to be worried Drew is just constantly trying to reload and have one last hurrah instead of locking in and building. In fairness to him reloading at the gaps almost worked the year following the national championship. But it worked not because of the re-loading, it was because we had great pieces he'd developed over time and a really special player in Sochan and the gaps got filled. Since then the gaps have not been something that can be correctly filled with one year dudes.

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I would rather be in their position, but I would not trade it for a Championship. It's just a bummer ours happened in 2021 when you couldn't have full attendance.

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I was there, and it was a little surreal. Workers in the arena were actually walking around making sure everyone was wearing their mask, and the arena was maybe 1/3 or 1/4 full. Still, I wouldn't trade the experience. It was great to root them to victory.