College athletics has become a joke. I truly barely care anymore.

It is the equivalent of the NFL and NBA if the product was worse and the players routinely left after a year and 80% of the roster turned over.

Makes it tough to care. None of these players have loyalty to their school, go to class or even care about their team all that much. It is AAU ball and everyone is a mercenary.

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1) salary cap - across all sports and then for each sport
2) limit transfers to 2 - 1 free - ie immediate eligibility 2nd has 1 year non eligibility
3) teams must pay compensation to school the newly signed player came from - 50%???
4) make the arbys the required fast food of the NCAA -all schools not eating Arbys at all meals will be forced to a lower division.

- el KKM

D!

Suelten a los perros, hombres!!!

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I agree with three of your four points.

Number 3 is obviously ridiculous, but the rest . . . (fry) chef's kiss.

Ya, I was there as well, it was a crap fab experience but I was also so happy I made it there. Once in a lifetime for a Baylor fan, just sucked that we all had to be spaced out. Funny that when the game was over everyone crammed down into the same area. What a freaking joke.

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Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

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Seriously? Who are all these elite players we legitimately passed on?

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You know…the ones lining up to come to us to play average basketball and no defense

One guy cannot successfully lead a team to a natty, our guy can.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Drew has a lifetime of runway. Barring scandal, he can stay at Baylor until he retires, and almost all of us here will be happy to have him that whole time.

This isn't a "Do better or get fired" situation. It's just disappointment in our current stagnant state because we've seen what this program can be under Drew and we're not even close to that level right now.

I'm not as confident as you seem to be in Drew's current plan. I don't see any signs of course correction right now or any clear vision for what our program is supposed to be. Instead, I see a lot of the same mistakes being repeated year after year to diminishing results.

I'm not -- not would I ever be -- calling for Drew to be fired. But I am frustrated. Our program is currently treading water with teams that aren't particularly fun to watch. When you combine that with the success some of our peers are enjoying with more discernible program identities, it makes it hard to get excited about both the immediate and long-term future of our program.

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Can't agree with this more. One thing to add.

This is a do better or everyone's going to check out on the twilight of your career situation for Drew. I hate to see him go out as a bum like Tony Bennett, but unless he really changes something that's the basic trajectory. A national champion winning coach who squandered all the program momentum in the world because he adheres too much to a strategy that is clear at this point doesn't work (they had different strategies but increasingly similar results).

I keep going back to what Ashley said last year during the Kentucky search. Drew has about 5 years left (so now we're around 4), it's fair to be worried Drew is just constantly trying to reload and have one last hurrah instead of locking in and building. In fairness to him reloading at the gaps almost worked the year following the national championship. But it worked not because of the re-loading, it was because we had great pieces he'd developed over time and a really special player in Sochan and the gaps got filled. Since then the gaps have not been something that can be correctly filled with one year dudes.

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. Drew has changed strategies numerous times in his career and will keep doing so. There were reasons for everything he did. Every plan I have doesn't work perfectly. Is that how y'all's lives work? Sometimes do unexpected things happen in your lives or work? Sometimes do you miscalculate and have to learn to learn from your mistakes? Is anything in your life always up and to the right? If so I would like to buy'all's books.

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bear2be2 said:

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For all the UH knob-lickers, here's a sampling of some of the posts from their fan board after last night's game.

"Thank God we have 5* guys coming in next year. We'll finally have some guys who the moment won't be too big for."

"We win with will over skill, but maybe it's time to get some more skill."

"My complaint with Kelvin is that he only recruits 'his guys.' We need to recruit better players. We've seen what happens with 'his guys' in big moments. They disappear."

Obviously, message boards are filled with a bunch of know-nothings and reactionary **** posts, as this board proves repeatedly, but it's interesting to see that their feelings are basically the polar opposite of ours. Everyone except UF fans are equally miserable, just in myriad different ways.

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They'll learn quickly that five stars don't solve much in college basketball.

I predict they take a substantial step backward next season.

They had their chance the last two years and missed it. 2024 was bad injury luck, losing Tugler and Shead. In 2025, they just came one possession short.

Their teams were plenty good and talented enough both years to win. It's just really damn hard to win a national title.

Either way, I'd rather be in their position right now than ours.

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Agreed on all counts. But, people pointing to them as the platonic ideal of how to construct a team are likely ignorant of the fact that their roster next year is going to look dramatically different, and similar to most other high level programs.

Last night was effectively their last stand under the "get old, stay old" approach. I don't know that that approach is going to work going forward with the rules the way they are currently constructed.

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What people most admire about Houston is their consistency, both within the program and in the results. Even with a largely new roster, I suspect we'll see both continue next season.

If we had a five-year stretch like what Houston has had (two sweet Sixteens, an Elite Eight, a Final Four and a title game appearance, you wouldn't see many (if any) fans here complain or suggest that we need to dramatically change certain aspects of our program.

Unfortunately, we've been consistent in another way since the title run -- consistently flawed in our construction and consistently disappointing in March.

If you can't understand why people would be frustrated by both our process and results the last three years, I'd argue your expectations/standards aren't high enough.

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If that last sentence is directed at me, hell, I'm "people." I'm incredibly frustrated. But unlike most of the most vocal posters here, I think I understand the vision of what Drew is trying to do, and I believe in him enough that I'm willing to extend him the runway to figure it out. We have people here calling for him to resign or take another job, for God's sakes.

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Drew has a lifetime of runway. Barring scandal, he can stay at Baylor until he retires, and almost all of us here will be happy to have him that whole time.

This isn't a "Do better or get fired" situation. It's just disappointment in our current stagnant state because we've seen what this program can be under Drew and we're not even close to that level right now.

I'm not as confident as you seem to be in Drew's current plan. I don't see any signs of course correction right now or any clear vision for what our program is supposed to be. Instead, I see a lot of the same mistakes being repeated year after year to diminishing results.

I'm not -- not would I ever be -- calling for Drew to be fired. But I am frustrated. Our program is currently treading water with teams that aren't particularly fun to watch. When you combine that with the success some of our peers are enjoying with more discernible program identities, it makes it hard to get excited about both the immediate and long-term future of our program.

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Can't agree with this more. One thing to add.

This is a do better or everyone's going to check out on the twilight of your career situation for Drew. I hate to see him go out as a bum like Tony Bennett, but unless he really changes something that's the basic trajectory. A national champion winning coach who squandered all the program momentum in the world because he adheres too much to a strategy that is clear at this point doesn't work (they had different strategies but increasingly similar results).

I keep going back to what Ashley said last year during the Kentucky search. Drew has about 5 years left (so now we're around 4), it's fair to be worried Drew is just constantly trying to reload and have one last hurrah instead of locking in and building. In fairness to him reloading at the gaps almost worked the year following the national championship. But it worked not because of the re-loading, it was because we had great pieces he'd developed over time and a really special player in Sochan and the gaps got filled. Since then the gaps have not been something that can be correctly filled with one year dudes.

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. Drew has changed strategies numerous times in his career and will keep doing so. There were reasons for everything he did. Every plan I have doesn't work perfectly. Is that how y'all's lives work? Sometimes do unexpected things happen in your lives or work? Sometimes do you miscalculate and have to learn to learn from your mistakes? Is anything in your life always up and to the right? If so I would like to buy'all's books.

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If I just won a national title, I wouldn't completely overhaul the way I was recruiting. And I don't think that's really a controversial take, to be honest.

We had the best three years in our program's history and immediately abandoned the principles that got us there.

100 I prefer Drew.. don't really like the other dude. And I'm in the camp that titles (national) outweigh all. Rather that than several smaller accolades.

But that didn't address the point. Post 21/22' when nil/portal really ramped, our guy has been losing.

We're looking like a combination of late Calipari with post championship Virginia.

Since the portal era started, every national champion has had over 50% of its minutes played by returning players:

2025: Florida (70%)
2024: UConn (61%)
2023: UConn (53%)
2022: Kansas (81%)

Roster continuity is as important as ever.

— Evan Miyakawa (@EvanMiya) April 8, 2025

were cooked for next year

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Since the portal era started, every national champion has had over 50% of its minutes played by returning players:

2025: Florida (70%)
2024: UConn (61%)
2023: UConn (53%)
2022: Kansas (81%)

Roster continuity is as important as ever.

— Evan Miyakawa (@EvanMiya) April 8, 2025

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Hmmm.

I thought this was impossible.

I've been saying this since 2022 and took constant **** for it here until about last year, when everyone started agreeing with me.

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were cooked for next year

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Our guys will be wearing "Hello my name is _____" badges to practice for the first month.

lol

I've said the same thing as well. Been on that train for a hott minute

I'm disappointed in the current trend of a round of 32 exit for sure. I still think ab that unc game! but in the middle, we've also had some major injuries that have had significant impacts: EJ, Langston & then Josh this season.

And, it's hard life for a Baylor fan who isn't bought into a culture of JOY. The words Omier & VJ spoke after losing to Duke aren't just a consolation prize - they are the victory. Not to say that we shouldn't have the highest expectations, but that a culture rooted in faith is never a failure.

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Ya, I was there as well, it was a crap fab experience but I was also so happy I made it there. Once in a lifetime for a Baylor fan, just sucked that we all had to be spaced out. Funny that when the game was over everyone crammed down into the same area. What a freaking joke.

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It was a joke. It seems like entire sections were empty, yet where we sat, it seemed like they were lots of people pretty close together. We were maskless to cheer and enjoy the game, and some worker would inevitably walk by and tell us we had to put it back on. Talking about checking your brains at the door. That whole era is just surreal.

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Since the portal era started, every national champion has had over 50% of its minutes played by returning players:

2025: Florida (70%)
2024: UConn (61%)
2023: UConn (53%)
2022: Kansas (81%)

Roster continuity is as important as ever.

— Evan Miyakawa (@EvanMiya) April 8, 2025

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Hmmm.

I thought this was impossible.

I've been saying this since 2022 and took constant **** for it here until about last year, when everyone started agreeing with me.

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I don't know anyone who doesn't think that roster continuity is a good thing. Drew has recruited 5 star type freshman before and had success when blending them with other players. We went through a stretch where we were unable to get those types of players, and we won in 2021 featuring a bunch of transfers who had been with us for two or more years. I don't think Drew forsook recruiting five star freshman, he just wasn't able to attract them until we won the natty.

Having said that, I agree that continuity is very important, but unless you have serious NIL money to retain your best players, continuity is gonna be very difficult to achieve.

But it isn't working more broadly. Their completely secular culture looks more cohesive, together, and bought in (over straight $$) than BUs. That's the point.

I have zero issue with Drew's emphasis but it isn't resonating as well as we're pretending. That's the cold reality.

Aranda had similar issues and he corrected. You can push culture without being played for a fool and still winning big

It's really difficult for any of us to speculate what our strategy should be without knowing what our NIL budget is. If we have the typical amount of NIL that other good P5 programs have, then we need to retain our best players and go after missing pieces in the portal. If we truly rank behind many of our P5 and Big East brethren, then we probably need to get used to our breakout players being poached.

If our NIL is below many other programs, then it seems our options will be either reloading every year with inexpensive diamonds in the rough or pursuing continuity with a bunch of players nobody else really wants.

That's the unfortunate truth. Like many on here saying they want continuity I do too! But if our NIL isn't as high then dudes are going to get poached and we will have to reload every year until binding contracts enter the game. I think our NIL is very good but if the Mormon church decides it wants the best players it can pay for then they can probably go poach just about anyone same as SMU football money and Horns and Aggie oil money. As Aggie has shown throwing money around like a drunken pirate after a heist doesn't lead to championships but it can steal players from schools like NC State or Miss State and hurt their chances of competing at a higher level

Baylor's NIL I can almost guarantee is higher than Iowa States. And their retention is high. NIL is definitely playing a factor. But NIl wasn't the reason an entire team left. There's something deeper going on.

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Baylor's NIL I can almost guarantee is higher than Iowa States. And their retention is high. NIL is definitely playing a factor. But NIl wasn't the reason an entire team left. There's something deeper going on.

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Houston's NIL apparatus is supposedly really average as well, and they've retained talent better than anyone else in the Big 12. Hell, they were doing it as a member of the AAC.

Ample examples of squads likely to have similar NIL being able to retain players. I'm not naive I know NIL is factoring in. However, I think fans are kidding themselves if they think NIL is the sole issue

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Ample examples of squads likely to have similar NIL being able to retain players. I'm not naive I know NIL is factoring in. However, I think fans are kidding themselves if they think NIL is the sole issue

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So what's the issue if it's not Drew?

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Ample examples of squads likely to have similar NIL being able to retain players. I'm not naive I know NIL is factoring in. However, I think fans are kidding themselves if they think NIL is the sole issue

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So what's the issue if it's not Drew?

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Drew is obviously struggling. Anyone who can't admit that is blind or intentionally obtuse.

No one is saying that Drew isn't struggling. But Ivan seems to think EVERYTHING happening is on Drew and that's laughable at best.

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No one is saying that Drew isn't struggling. But Ivan seems to think EVERYTHING happening is on Drew and that's laughable at best.

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Yeah that's why Ivan set up a strawman. But I think it's pretty easy to say that (i) we all (or at least the vasrt majority) support Drew, and he has lifetime tenure and (ii) he is struggling in the new environment. I mean, we just lost our entire team. (?) And it's consistent with a pattern of mostly plug-and-play for the last few years.

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No one is saying that Drew isn't struggling. But Ivan seems to think EVERYTHING happening is on Drew and that's laughable at best.

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Yeah that's why Ivan set up a strawman. But I think it's pretty easy to say that (i) we all (or at least the vasrt majority) support Drew, and he has lifetime tenure and (ii) he is struggling in the new environment. I mean, we just lost our entire team. (?) And it's consistent with a pattern of mostly plug-and-play for the last few years.

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I think Drew really needs a good supporting cast to do a lot of the heavy lifting and dirty work with the team. The coaching staff we had this past few years ain't it.

I don't think we can say yet that CDA's correction has led to bigger success than what CSD has been able to do since 2021. If anything, it's comparable. Even in the worst season since 2021, the Bears still drew a 9-seed.

I also don't think the majority of the roster changes are bc CSD is a fool. Clearly RWIII got poached, but like how many of those guys were told they were going to be taking a backseat to incoming players? That's how we got Roach - bc Scheyer rebuilt the team with only 2 returners, and they made it to the final 4. CSD knows he lacked height & depth, so that's what he's getting. Either way, though - I just disagree that the culture is the issue.

This I agree with. Not sure how it can be done. But we (Drew&Staff) have got to figure out how to retain guys. Until that's fixed I think BU will struggle big time. Think another issue is Drew's staff just isn't very good. He's always had incredible staffs. This one leaves a ton to be desired.

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This I agree with. Not sure how it can be done. But we (Drew&Staff) have got to figure out how to retain guys. Until that's fixed I think BU will struggle big time. Think another issue is Drew's staff just isn't very good. He's always had incredible staffs. This one leaves a ton to be desired.

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Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

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No one is saying that Drew isn't struggling. But Ivan seems to think EVERYTHING happening is on Drew and that's laughable at best.

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Yeah that's why Ivan set up a strawman. But I think it's pretty easy to say that (i) we all (or at least the vasrt majority) support Drew, and he has lifetime tenure and (ii) he is struggling in the new environment. I mean, we just lost our entire team. (?) And it's consistent with a pattern of mostly plug-and-play for the last few years.

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Drew is the CEO of this team he's the head coach he's the head GM too. He's kinda the core problem right now. I really hope he'll realize this. Yes the problem is he doesn't have as good of a staff, well that's Drew's fault not the staff's fault.

Iowabear and I keep pointing out the same problems he just gets really offended when the fact of the matter is the buck stops with Drew on everything in our program. It's Drew who is responsible and should be held to account for :
1) not implementing a GM system like every other major program is doing and our own football team has,
2) hiring a bad crop of assistant coaches and not washing them out when they're clearly not up to snuff
3) making baffling decisions in the transfer market
4) misjudging the transfer market Toppin getting $4m means $1.5 was too low for George.

Complaining about problems that are direct reflections of the head coach then saying it's not the head coach is so silly. Again I've said it multiple places I do not think Drew should ever be fired he's earned every right to do whatever he wants here including run us into the ground, but it doesn't mean Drew is immune from being called out for doing a crap job. He's done a crap job and those birds are finally coming home to roost this offseason.

Bu's Nil is almost certainly higher than Iowa st and Houston. Outside of Ku and K state, pretty sure they spent the most in conference. It is not the primary issue.

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Bu's Nil is almost certainly higher than Iowa st and Houston. Outside of Ku and K state, pretty sure they spent the most in conference. It is not the primary issue.

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BYU apparently number one now, but that's what happens when you have cult money.

I'm definitely not higher on Cda than Csd, I don't want to compare directly. Csd is a much higher level coach with way more success so far but my point is Cda had to pivot and he did.

I don't think Drew is a fool at all. I think he's been "played for a fool" by some of his players. Taking advantage of his positive nature. Time to regroup and hopefully bring in a harder defensive assistant that commands respect and resonates with the players.