Quinton said:

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Pretty much another guaranteed 1 and done.. rated anywhere from #7 to #2 in the class. Drew is among the best of the best recruiters in the country.. nobody denies that.

AD Doug needs to go all in on next year and the following year with portal. Coincides with what could be some of Drew's final years. Need a combination of continuity and talent to have any chance of turning this around.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Quinton said:

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Pretty much another guaranteed 1 and done.. rated anywhere from #7 to #2 in the class. Drew is among the best of the best recruiters in the country.. nobody denies that.

AD Doug needs to go all in on next year and the following year with portal. Coincides with what could be some of Drew's final years. Need a combination of continuity and talent to have any chance of turning this around.

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What are you basing your comment on that this could be some of Drew's final years? He's given no indication that he's slowing down. In fact, he said that he was looking forward to coaching in the post-House Settlement era.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Quinton said:

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Pretty much another guaranteed 1 and done.. rated anywhere from #7 to #2 in the class. Drew is among the best of the best recruiters in the country.. nobody denies that.

AD Doug needs to go all in on next year and the following year with portal. Coincides with what could be some of Drew's final years. Need a combination of continuity and talent to have any chance of turning this around.

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What are you basing your comment on that this could be some of Drew's final years? He's given no indication that he's slowing down. In fact, he said that he was looking forward to coaching in the post-House Settlement era.

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IvanBear said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Quinton said:

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Pretty much another guaranteed 1 and done.. rated anywhere from #7 to #2 in the class. Drew is among the best of the best recruiters in the country.. nobody denies that.

AD Doug needs to go all in on next year and the following year with portal. Coincides with what could be some of Drew's final years. Need a combination of continuity and talent to have any chance of turning this around.

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What are you basing your comment on that this could be some of Drew's final years? He's given no indication that he's slowing down. In fact, he said that he was looking forward to coaching in the post-House Settlement era.

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The owner of this website (Ashley Hodge) when Drew was considering Kentucky but decided to stay at Baylor reported that he only expects Drew to hang around 5 or so more years before retirement. That puts Drew approximately 3 years away from that estimate.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Quinton said:

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Pretty much another guaranteed 1 and done.. rated anywhere from #7 to #2 in the class. Drew is among the best of the best recruiters in the country.. nobody denies that.

AD Doug needs to go all in on next year and the following year with portal. Coincides with what could be some of Drew's final years. Need a combination of continuity and talent to have any chance of turning this around.

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What are you basing your comment on that this could be some of Drew's final years? He's given no indication that he's slowing down. In fact, he said that he was looking forward to coaching in the post-House Settlement era.

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Stefano DiMera said:

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During the Kentucky flirtation there were some 5-7 years numbers thrown around.

30 years in one place is a LONG time. I could see that being the finish line for him.. if not sooner.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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During the Kentucky flirtation there were some 5-7 years numbers thrown around.

30 years in one place is a LONG time. I could see that being the finish line for him.. if not sooner.

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I bet he wishes hed taken that Kentucky job after the evisceration of the Baylor athletics dept by the Baylor leadership.

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success had earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Missing the tournament two or three years in a row isn't so unlikely as not to be worth discussing.

This program is an absolute mess right now.

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It's not pretty right now, but how many times have we written off Drew, only for him to reinvent himself and his playing style?

This is effectively Year 2 for me, since the rules of engagement have changed so much. If it's this bad next year, I'll start getting concerned.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Missing the tournament two or three years in a row isn't so unlikely as not to be worth discussing.

This program is an absolute mess right now.

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It's not pretty right now, but how many times have we written off Drew, only for him to reinvent himself and his playing style?

This is effectively Year 2 for me, since the rules of engagement have changed so much. If it's this bad next year, I'll start getting concerned.

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I'm not writing Drew off. I'm saying he has two more years to fix this *****

Because this team is little better (competitively not culturally) than Dave Bliss' teams. And if we're back to that level, it's time for a new voice.

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Missing the tournament two or three years in a row isn't so unlikely as not to be worth discussing.

This program is an absolute mess right now.

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It's not pretty right now, but how many times have we written off Drew, only for him to reinvent himself and his playing style?

This is effectively Year 2 for me, since the rules of engagement have changed so much. If it's this bad next year, I'll start getting concerned.

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Missing the tournament two or three years in a row isn't so unlikely as not to be worth discussing.

This program is an absolute mess right now.

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It's not pretty right now, but how many times have we written off Drew, only for him to reinvent himself and his playing style?

This is effectively Year 2 for me, since the rules of engagement have changed so much. If it's this bad next year, I'll start getting concerned.

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I'm not writing Drew off. I'm saying he has two more years to fix this *****

Because this team is little better (competitively not culturally) than Dave Bliss' teams. And if we're back to that level, it's time for a new voice.

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Quinton said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Missing the tournament two or three years in a row isn't so unlikely as not to be worth discussing.

This program is an absolute mess right now.

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It's not pretty right now, but how many times have we written off Drew, only for him to reinvent himself and his playing style?

This is effectively Year 2 for me, since the rules of engagement have changed so much. If it's this bad next year, I'll start getting concerned.

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How many years are you comfortable with the defense being terrible? Year 4 of that.

Next year is going to be a defining year. Many of the teams in this league have been good the last few years off of guys they've had for 3 years now. Several don't have the obvious quality behind them so next year is a real opportunity.

He has to go all in now with Doug.. get a real GM.. and scout the entire country starting yesterday. Get proven, experienced junior transfers and pull a Sampson and retain one of Tounde / Carr.. then you might have something.

Time is ticking

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TWD 1974 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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CSD has achieved the greatest accomplishment in Baylor sports history

CSD built a program into a national power from a lower point than perhaps anyone in history has done.

CSD's program embodies what Baylor tries to be.

CSD can stay for life. Period.

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Drew's success has earned him a long leash. It hasn't earned him an infinite one. No coach is bigger than the program they lead.

College athletics have never been more transactional than they are today. If (God forbid) this season becomes the norm going forward, it will be time to move on.

Successful coaches are compensated exceptionally well. The right to destroy the programs they built shouldn't be part of that compensation package.

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Not to argue semantics, but absent occurrences so unlikely they aren't worth taking time discussing, CSD has a lifetime ticket. Of course we can conceive of very low chance events like scandal or illness or punching the AD or something, but I'm talking about the range of events that are in 95 percent likelihood zone for this actual person we have observed for 25 years. For example having a handful of disappointing seasons isn't going to do it. I believe Baylor will treat him like the legend he is.

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Missing the tournament two or three years in a row isn't so unlikely as not to be worth discussing.

This program is an absolute mess right now.

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It's not pretty right now, but how many times have we written off Drew, only for him to reinvent himself and his playing style?

This is effectively Year 2 for me, since the rules of engagement have changed so much. If it's this bad next year, I'll start getting concerned.

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I'm not writing Drew off. I'm saying he has two more years to fix this *****

Because this team is little better (competitively not culturally) than Dave Bliss' teams. And if we're back to that level, it's time for a new voice.

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I agree with the 2-year window: I can't see Drew staying beyond that if it's not turning around. As to comparisons with the Bliss era, though, the Dave Bliss era never produced a 20-win season, or a post season win of any kind, or anything close to .500 in the Big 12. His best conference win total was 6. While we look upon last year's team as a downturn, the 10 conference wins, and 20-15, record, if compared to results prior to Drew, would be the best year since the Iba big year 40 years ago.

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