Apparently he is a scout for the Clippers. I didn't know this.

If he hadn't gotten busted by that women's coach for faking transfer grades, he'd have won at Baylor

Or maybe gotten fired for a different rules violation. 50/50

Hope no one let him get near a fax machine.

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Been an NBA scout since leaving Baylor.

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He coached Woodlands Christian for several years and won a couple of state championships.

Always heard it was a scorned lover situation with him and Paw Bowers that caused her to flip on him.

Johnson was dirty from the start and not a very good person. He didn't need anybody doing him in because he did it to himself. When it came apart, he threw his staff under the bus and watched them face criminal charges while he walked away.

I find it fascinating how Baylor fans know so little about what goes on in the BU athletic department and then seize on any garbage story they hear, and then repeat the garbage years and years later. It might be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Set it straight here, Malbec. I'd like to know the real story...

Yeah..I've just heard the rumor over the years from multiple people..but obviously I can't prove it .

I mean..he was shady as hell..is that not a possibility?

If you have something to share..please share..it's been over 25 years so I think you're safe.. there's no Warren Commission here .

Funny I dont remember the outcomes of those trials. Mistrials and the prosecution electing not to have a re trial or acquittals. Also I dont remember how he was not tried. Are you sure he wasnt and was acquitted?

I followed Johnson's pre-Baylor career at Oklahoma City University, where he won two NAIA National Championships, and was undefeated in one of them. Because I was familiar with the background of the five players who played almost all the minutes there, I had severe reservations when Teaff, the Athletic Director at the time, brought him to Waco. Those five players were basketball vagabond/mercenaries who had been highly recruited (Kentucky and Georgia for two of them, a guard who averaged forty points a game as a senior but could not qualify to get into any four year school in the state, etc.), but for various reasons either could not get into a university or stay at the one that they managed to attend out of high school. In most instances, I knew what those reasons were, and they were legitimate.

It was not my place to instruct Teaff how to do his recruitment of coaches, but I knew that the recruiting pathologies of coaches are repetitive and unless Teaff understood what he was dealing with and sat on top of it Darrell Johnson would get Baylor into trouble with the NCAA. The temptation to take shortcuts to success is difficult to resist, and in his second year he recruited not one or two, but six junior college players, including a great one out at McClennan College who did not have the credits or grades to get into the many schools who wanted him, one of which was Texas Tech.

This was a student/athlete who after two years still lacked, as I recall, sixteen credits to qualify for admission, but somehow he made them up in one summer. My experience told me that that was a near impossibility, and some of the other recruits were in similar difficulties, but all qualified. I believe that it was Tech who raised the question with the NCAA and their subsequent investigation tore the lid off of a mess of violations, not one of which surprised me. What did make me wonder a bit was why no one at Baylor could see what I was seeing from 2,000 miles away. This was beyond naive...

Incidentally, I visited Waco and wanted to see a practice. I discovered that the Ferrell Center was not available, nor was the Russell gymnasium, so the Baylor basketball team borrowed time to work out at University High School's gym, if you can imagine that! I drove over to watch the practice and thought that it was one of the more impressive coaching efforts I had seen at Baylor, and I have watched the practices of almost all the coaches from 1950 to the present, with the exception of Carroll Dawson. Johnson could coach, that was never at issue, it was what came with it that seemed to be the problem, and that was predictable, based on his time at OCU.

Didn't those jucos end up going somewhere? Bowers gave info to ncaa on Johnson sending in false work for transfer credits. He used fax which led to wire fraud charges

The superstar kid out of Longview that died in the car wreck was the real tragedy .

I was looking forward to that team he had that didn't step foot on the court. Jerome Lambert player and was the real deal who ended up at OSU. I cannot remember where Jason Irvin ended up? Also there was a
big guy 6'8 who ended up at KSU and I cannot remember his name.

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Incidentally, I visited Waco and wanted to see a practice. I discovered that the Ferrell Center was not available, nor was the Russell gymnasium

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Sorry, I had a date with the women's program that day!

I just looked him up on Wikipedia. It made it sound like he was cleared of NCAA violations but perhaps they were talking about criminal charges and it wasn't written well. I don't see how he could have ended up cleared but the school ended up on probation. It mentioned Baylor sued him in 95 which I vaguely remembered but it said we dropped the suit a year later after he accepted responsibility for wrong doing.

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Didn't those jucos end up going somewhere? Bowers gave info to ncaa on Johnson sending in false work for transfer credits. He used fax which led to wire fraud charges

The superstar kid out of Longview that died in the car wreck was the real tragedy .

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You mean Banks out of Temple?

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David Wesley was from Longview

Jerode Banks was from Temple. Fell asleep behind the wheel going or coming from home to campus late one night and hit an overpass abutment on 35 in Eddy or Troy going full speed.

We brought in Dr. Dick Ellis from Clemson as AD shortly after.

The NCAA applauded how forthcoming he was and we ended up with reduced penalties because of him

Jerod Banks was an Iba recruit I believe so that was before Darrel Johnson.

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We brought in Dr. Dick Ellis from Clemson as AD shortly after.

The NCAA applauded how forthcoming he was and we ended up with reduced penalties because of him

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That's right. Forgot about Ellis.

And yes, Temple, the Banks kid is who I was trying to reference

Actually I believe both times it was Bill Underwood who helped us navigate those situations. But yes by then Ellis was the AD. Teaff bailed as soon as rumblings were occurring about what's was going on a year before the whole thing broke. Rather than As AD step in and fix the situation, he didn't want to be AD when or if the shxt hit the fan it appeared and ironically it was his only hire as AD who was doing it.

Ellis was actually promoted. He was actually brought in from Clemson to be Deputy AD. But then ended up being named AD not long after he got here.

I had a close friend of long-standing who was at a rival institution and it was he who told me about the Tech connection. He was astonished, first that Baylor would recruit players and get them into school who had been contacted by rival programs who could not get them into school, and secondly, that it would be so brazenly done. Almost everyone was aware of the situation but, it appears, Baylor athletic and administrative leadership.

Then we turned around and did the same thing with Bliss. I attended a practice and sat beside Dennehy, who had played his high school ball about fourteen miles from my house. He and a youngster from New York were not on scholarship, but were "red shirt walk-ons." I counted the players out there and the number came to fifteen with those two. I wondered if anyone in the athletic department or administration could count? The idea that those two walk-ons were paying top dollar to attend Baylor for a year was laughable.

I wondered why Bliss had recruited the two players from Paris (?) Junior College that year, as neither looked to be a legitimate Division I player, particularly the 6'6" player who came with a wife, and whose scholarship he thought that he was going to lose because of Dennehy. But he almost pulled it off, and had the tragedy not occurred that team would have been loaded and highly competitive, something that many people do not seem to know. Most of the players on hand and the ones coming in were real quality.

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Jerod Banks was an Iba recruit I believe so that was before Darrel Johnson.

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No, Johnson recruit

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Also there was a big guy 6'8 who ended up at KSU and I cannot remember his name.

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I believe that was Tyrone Davis

Setshot, I'm pretty sure they knew. As I said there were rumbling about Johnson in Waco a year before everything broke publicly. If the community was hearing things I'm pretty sure Baylor athletics was hearing things as well. I'm also sure Pam Bowers was telling the powers that be at Baylor every chance she got as well. That was one of the grounds of her suit was retaliation along with Title 9.

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If he hadn't gotten busted by that women's coach for faking transfer grades, he'd have won at Baylor

Or maybe gotten fired for a different rules violation. 50/50

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Those transfers looked pretty awesome. Looked like we could have had a mini-UNLV for a hot minute.

I was in the sports information department when they were replacing Iba, and in those days, actual resumes were faxed over. One that I remember, not sure why, probably because it was the first one, was a Duke assistant named Mike Brey. I guess he was ambitious. He didn't actually get a head coaching job for another couple of years at Delaware.

I think I was just excited at the team because he was from Duke.

And another piling on.

https://www.chatsports.com/baylor-bears/a/full-story-everything-you-need-know-about-patrick-dennehy-carlton-dotson-dave-bliss-baylor-basketball-scandal-32724

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I had a close friend of long-standing who was at a rival institution and it was he who told me about the Tech connection. He was astonished, first that Baylor would recruit players and get them into school who had been contacted by rival programs who could not get them into school, and secondly, that it would be so brazenly done. Almost everyone was aware of the situation but, it appears, Baylor athletic and administrative leadership.

Then we turned around and did the same thing with Bliss. I attended a practice and sat beside Dennehy, who had played his high school ball about fourteen miles from my house. He and a youngster from New York were not on scholarship, but were "red shirt walk-ons." I counted the players out there and the number came to fifteen with those two. I wondered if anyone in the athletic department or administration could count? The idea that those two walk-ons were paying top dollar to attend Baylor for a year was laughable.

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I think the lady in the athletic department who was supposed to check things was dying of a brain tumor. They wouldn't replace her because of budget issues.

Johnson was doing what many schools were doing at the time.
His mistake was laying the wood to Bowers and her getting pissed at him.
Bliss almost pulled off his cheating.

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Didn't those jucos end up going somewhere? Bowers gave info to ncaa on Johnson sending in false work for transfer credits. He used fax which led to wire fraud charges

The superstar kid out of Longview that died in the car wreck was the real tragedy .

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You me
an Banks out of Temple?

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David Wesley was from Longview

Jerode Banks was from Temple. Fell asleep behind the wheel going or coming from home to campus late one night and hit an overpass abutment on 35 in Eddy or Troy going full speed.

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Yep. Smokey was going to be great. Skinner was in the league 13-14 years and Banks would have been as well.

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And I believe Harry Miller from Temple was the head coach by that time. He brought along his son and Skinner.

I believe that is correct. Miller as you recall was the HC at Killeen Ellison I think. He was hired by Johnson as an assistant. as I recall just in the off season before Johnson's final season. Things were already going south for the staff in terms of legal problems etc. and Miller was brought in. Remember Johnson wasnt fired mid season of his last season he was fired at the beginning of his 3rd season in Nov of 94. Miller was suddenly named interim HC of a major program. The previous season he was a HS HC. Ellis brought in someone who's name escapes me but he had been a previous HC at ISU and was a semi big name at that time to help Miller sort of as a co-HC for that season. Then Miller had the interim tag removed after the season.

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I believe that is correct. Miller as you recall was the HC at Killeen Ellison I think. He was hired by Johnson as an assistant. as I recall just in the off season before Johnson's final season. Things were already going south for the staff in terms of legal problems etc. and Miller was brought in. Remember Johnson wasnt fired mid season of his last season he was fired at the beginning of his 3rd season in Nov of 94. Miller was suddenly named interim HC of a major program. The previous season he was a HS HC. Ellis brought in someone who's name escapes me but he had been a previous HC at ISU and was a semi big name at that time to help Miller sort of as a co-HC for that season. Then Miller had the interim tag removed after the season.

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Harry was head coach at Temple.
Banks, Skinner and Roderick were all Wildcats.
Billy Gillespie was the head coach at Ellison.
Johnny Orr was the consultant.