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Timbear said:

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Hey 2B2, how about the fact that Communism bans Christianity and persecutes Christians, while Capitalism gives religious freedom and allows Christians to worship publicly and openly. So you think God does not prefer Capitalism and freedom? You're nuts. If you got your screwed up brain from Baylor, then Baylor is as we knew it is over.

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Capitalism is an economic system. Our political system is what preserves our rights. Our political system allows our economic system. Freedom of religion as an example is not created by or inherent in capitalism.

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See my post below in all caps which in this case was necessary. I think this is what you are trying to say, but I get angry when people cannot see that Christianity and our form of democracy (a democratic Republic) are meant for each other and can only exist with each other. Otherwise, America would never have won its independence but God did it supernaturally. He gave our founding fathers the WILL and POWER to do the unthinkable at the time...create a form of government free of tyranny so he could flourish. Without that initial thrust by freedom seekers it would have never flourished, but it did so because GOD MADE IT HAPPEN. It's our fault if we have *******ized it in some form, but the blue print of the Bible simply calls for a not so amicable ending and then a new beginning and it is my argument it was God's will for a democratic republic for the spread of the Word. From this country and after the apostles went to their KNOWN ends of the earth, did all missionary work come from and it simply my argument that democracy is ABSOLUTELY God's will.

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What??? Christianity began and spread across the entire known world at the height of the Roman Empire. But it needs a democratic republic to exist?

There's some seriously out there stuff in this post. It would appear you are worshiping as much at the church of the flag as that of the cross.

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To everything there is a season and the Holy Roman Empire lasted 300 years thanks to Constantine. You remind me of the 70's Jesus freaks who got stoned on the Bible. if you cannot see that the Bible has a blue print for everything then you are blind as a bat. I guess you believe in a static concept of Christ. In the modern world and as a global ball we all live on something or someone is always trying to wipe out a segment of population to meet it;s purpose aka Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, etc. So here comes America who had a snowball chance in hell of being born in the first place and voila democracy was formed and it could not survive without Christ and Christ uses it to advance the gospel to the ends of the earth as he implored the apostles to do when they thought the earth was flat.. Pretty damn simple isn't it? You have become static. Case closed, yet open.

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I'm no fan of communism, but there aren't any economic or political systems that mesh particularly well with Christianity, which asks its followers to fight their natures and deny themselves -- particularly where money and power are concerned.

Americans have created a self-serving doctrine that tries to marry Christian and Western values and turn the American Dream into a Christian principle, but Christ was pretty clear when he said the meek shall inherit the earth and spoke on a rich man's chances of entering the Kingdom.

I'll readily agree that democracy is a vastly superior system of government than communism and that capitalism is a lesser evil than socialism, but I don't arrive at either conclusion from a religious angle. And I don't view either system as God-ordained. I think Christ would find some fairly significant flaws with both -- particularly the way they're practiced here.

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Democracy is a terrible system of government. The Founders rightly feared the specter of mob rule. A good example of democracy in action is a lynch mob. That's why the Founders created a Republic--not the same thing. Also, it is not difficult to find scriptures to support a free market economic system (capitalism) and not so easy to find one supporting socialism--unless you cheat and take scriptures out of context or twist them to mean something they clearly do not. Socialism is based upon stealing and one of the Ten Commandments is very clear on that score. That said, you are correct about Christ's admonitions against greed, selfishness, etc.--in whatever form or environment they may be found.

You are a child of God and maybe we'll have the chance to continue this conversation in New Jerusalem. Not sure if we will know our screen names but I hope so.

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bear2be2 said:

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I'm no fan of communism, but there aren't any economic or political systems that mesh particularly well with Christianity, which asks its followers to fight their natures and deny themselves -- particularly where money and power are concerned.

Americans have created a self-serving doctrine that tries to marry Christian and Western values and turn the American Dream into a Christian principle, but Christ was pretty clear when he said the meek shall inherit the earth and spoke on a rich man's chances of entering the Kingdom.

I'll readily agree that democracy is a vastly superior system of government than communism and that capitalism is a lesser evil than socialism, but I don't arrive at either conclusion from a religious angle. And I don't view either system as God-ordained. I think Christ would find some fairly significant flaws with both -- particularly the way they're practiced here.

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Democracy is a terrible system of government. The Founders rightly feared the specter of mob rule. A good example of democracy in action is a lynch mob. That's why the Founders created a Republic--not the same thing. Also, it is not difficult to find scriptures to support a free market economic system (capitalism) and not so easy to find one supporting socialism--unless you cheat and take scriptures out of context or twist them to mean something they clearly do not. Socialism is based upon stealing and one of the Ten Commandments is very clear on that score. That said, you are correct about Christ's admonitions against greed, selfishness, etc.--in whatever form or environment they may be found.

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Democracy as it is often portrayed in modern America has its flaws as I tirelessly pointed out above. But I believe it was God's will that this country was even born because it was supernatural that we were able to win the Revolution. The Bible has a blue print per Johnathan Kahn for everything as is the only book as far as i know that accurately predicts the future before it happens. So it is the freedoms that a democratic Republic allowed that caused Christianity to flourish without recourse for 270 years. I would say that it has changed and morphed a lot but that also is predicted in Revelation metaphorically..

But I believe that we are who we are because of the desire to flee worship of the state and worship who we so choose and because of that democracy was born and it was God's will.

This. This. This. Obnoxious a**hole

I agree--except: replace democracy with republic. They are different things although the may seem alike. For a technical explanation, go back to James Madison and Federalist #10 but it's not an easy read.

The Bible definitely does contain many prophecies pertaining to end times. The problem is that they are easy to understand or interpret. Many Christians today think we are nearing that time, and the coronavirus panic exacerbates those tendencies.

The problem is Christians have thought so for 2000 years. Read the book of Acts and you will find the first century Christians all expected Christ's imminent return. During the ravages of the Black Death in the "Calamitous 14th century", many thought the end was near--and the death toll in Europe was many times greater than what we have experienced so far globally with coronavirus. There were other historical times when people thought the end was near but they were wrong. I wonder how many people thought Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, or other tyrants were the Antichrist.

We must remember that God's time is not the same as ours. It may not happen for another 1000 years and He would still see it as imminent because He is timeless and infinite. Our best response to crises such as this is patience and trust in God. We don't know what's going to happen but we do know that we can trust God to help us through whatever happens.

"Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace that surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."
Philippians 4:5-7

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I agree--except: replace democracy with republic. They are different things although the may seem alike. For a technical explanation, go back to James Madison and Federalist #10 but it's not an easy read.

The Bible definitely does contain many prophecies pertaining to end times. The problem is that they are easy to understand or interpret. Many Christians today think we are nearing that time, and the coronavirus panic exacerbates those tendencies.

The problem is Christians have thought so for 2000 years. Read the book of Acts and you will find the first century Christians all expected Christ's imminent return. During the ravages of the Black Death in the "Calamitous 14th century", many thought the end was near--and the death toll in Europe was many times greater than what we have experienced so far globally with coronavirus. There were other historical times when people thought the end was near but they were wrong. I wonder how many people thought Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, or other tyrants were the Antichrist.

We must remember that God's time is not the same as ours. It may not happen for another 1000 years and He would still see it as imminent because He is timeless and infinite. Our best response to crises such as this is patience and trust in God. We don't know what's going to happen but we do know that we can trust God to help us through whatever happens.

"Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace that surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."
Philippians 4:5-7

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Amen brother! I could not agree more. All we really know is that everyday we are one day closer to that time and we also know that at that time things on earth will NOT be as they were during the what is commonly referred to as the GREATEST GENERATION. All I was trying to do in writing my book above was point out that it is only MY belief that Christ, if he had political inclinations, made them available to us via the 39 parables. I suppose it is up to us to determine what that means and I think if we took votes from the evangelical community socialism and communism would not be at the top of that list. But I'm not going there anymore. bear2be2 has pretty much made my argument for me, but we are children of God and as such we should be Christ-centered wherever you happen to be. Of course we do know that the end will not come until EVERYONE has his or her opportunity for redemption and repentance. I never meant to get into all of this on a bball forum, but it sort of snowballed.

Stay safe my friend...we are all brothers.

God bless to all and to Baylor Nation !!!

I think Freddie Gillespie had a fitting epilogue to the season:

Pay attention to the words of the song.

This thread had some really weird turns along the way.

So are there no officially no Baylor sports until at least August?

pay wall

Nice dream. Won't happen.

This thread has taken some odd turns, but I think the CDC's most recent statements about no meetings over 50 people for a couple months pretty much makes the discussion moot. There will be no rethinking of the cancellation.

Way too early to say.

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Will there be one single person who would lay down $10 on Texas???? If I were Tech, I would be livid that a team who won the Big 12 and was an OT away from winning it all less than 2 years ago has a worse chance than the Horns?

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Obviously he knows the answer, his supposed question is actually a disagreement.

I saw this today. Not hard to see why someone would be somewhat mindful of the outbreak.



I also read that until contained, each person infected (healthy young/middle aged adults can have this and infect others for weeks, never knowing they had it) will infect 6 others. Gathering large groups around the country, then sending them off to other areas, seems like what you'd do if you were trying to spread the virus on purpose, not contain it.

I do think the tournament should have been played without fans, and televised/streamed for free. Load us up with ads, that's fine, but the risk is much smaller with only the players. That said, the players are going to be sweating, touching, so if even 1 player has it, everyone on both teams would get it, and again, probably never know until they infect their families, and their grandparents start dying. I do understand the fear of it.

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Should some athletes contract the virus, the age of the players minimizes their risk of the severity from Coronavirus. Coaches and staff are at higher risk. So, the games would need to be played without coaches. Just sayin.

EDIT: As of 20 min ago, the US has 8,525 known cases.

EDIT 2: fwiw...

The countries suffering the most: 1. China 2. Italy 3. Iran

"Iran on Monday announced the death of a senior cleric, Ayatollah Hashem Bathayi Golpayegani, who served in the religious body that selects the country's religious leader. His death, along with that of one of the country's vice presidents and at least two ministers, has been attributed to the disease."

And, a US medical researcher (of this virus) has died from it.

And thankfully, Texas still has less than 100 cases and (I think) only 1 death. May God keep us from any more deaths & few additional cases!

Yeah the virus has outpaced the projection on the graph by a good bit... Not good for us. Probably people bringing it back from Spring break, combined with not taking the virus seriously.

I have a friend in NYC who has been complaining for 2 weeks that her roomate has a runny nose and fever, but refusing to wear a mask or do anything differently. Yesterday the roomate's SO's roomate tested positive... So basically now my friend probably has it, and even after running around after the roomate, spraying things with bleach, she still gets it. Ridiculous that people won't take it seriously.

Where I live, there are 2 known cases in the entire county, so it's not bad here, but why not just take precautions? Other than Big Science tryin to get ya.

It's a lot easier to take precautions with what is essentially a national quarantine in place. Obviously, it is a mild version since people still go out to buy groceries, etc. But most public places are closing down almost completely. For example, restaurants everywhere are closing their dining rooms. I hope this thing passes quickly. The cynic in me can also see how some people (politicians & others) might see personal advantages from all the disruptions.

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2B2, calm down. Some on here are just tired of you being so obnoxious trying to prove you're the smartest person in the room about everything.

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Couldn't have said it any better myself

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Ditto. This clown rubs me wrong on virtually every post.

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I hope someone is also demanding that seniors be able to extend their eligibility if they want to.

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I do think it makes sense to grant seniors an exemption giving them an additional year of eligibility provided they've graduated and are enrolled in grad school. It's a win/win for everyone.

It wouldn't really help Baylor much. Bandoo might return but I think the risk is too high that he'd lose minutes with Flagler coming in (if the 3 starting guards stick around). He won 6th Man of the Year, so he's going to be on the radar of G-League and Euro teams looking for 3-point shooting.

Gillispie is already older and it's probably best for him to go pro now while his stock is high. He's a smart guy destined for success in whatever he tries, but the NBA window is narrow. I think the coaches would recommend the same.

He's at risk for lower-body injuries due to his build (similar to Udoh), so time may not be on his side. He's such a solid role player that I'd bet he ends up in the NBA if he stays healthy. Utah has to have him on their radar.

But even if it would hurt Baylor, it would make for an interesting season. Mid-majors would likely be even more competitive. You could see a lot of crazy upsets, especially in the postseason.

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I read that Italy is the 4th largest economy in the world. If so, that is surprising. Italy is about indulgence in food, fashion/art, women and of course, the mob. I can see how the European Union is the 4th largest economy combined behind USA, China and Israel, but I always thought Germany alone was the 4th largest economy in the world. I don't know anymore since the Dems have concluded that we don't need borders and are in favor of one-world governance. I sure don't hear them talking about the southern border issues anymore since this virus started. That says RE-ELECT TRUMP like nothing else.

I don't buy the whole China "accident" with CV-19. It had to be a biological warfare program that was either an accident gone horribly wrong or they were willing to sacrifice 1000's of their own to see the effects. There is precedent for that (see 30's Germany and Japan) and for that matter throughout history. Note they are doing a heck of a job with a disinfectant war and thus less cases now or otherwise insurrections would break out like Tienaman Square. They know what they are doing. Communism and Christianity are like oil and water. They don't have the same goals.

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I'm no fan of communism, but there aren't any economic or political systems that mesh particularly well with Christianity, which asks its followers to fight their natures and deny themselves -- particularly where money and power are concerned.

Americans have created a self-serving doctrine that tries to marry Christian and Western values and turn the American Dream into a Christian principle, but Christ was pretty clear when he said the meek shall inherit the earth and spoke on a rich man's chances of entering the Kingdom.

I'll readily agree that democracy is a vastly superior system of government than communism and that capitalism is a lesser evil than socialism, but I don't arrive at either conclusion from a religious angle. And I don't view either system as God-ordained. I think Christ would find some fairly significant flaws with both -- particularly the way they're practiced here.

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I don't think Christ would find a single flaw with Judeo-Christian values as our finding fathers set it up. This country (as a country itself) is the most powerful in the world because God KNEW it had to be that way so that the world could see what true freedom is. I also don't think Jesus' gives a hoot about "religion." i don't even know if there is a Hebrew or Greek word for that. The 1st century Jews wanted a conquering king. They did not understand the kingdom was at hand. That was a foreign concept and He was in their midst daily.

Here is the link:

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If I understand this correctly, you are saying the Jesus wouldn't have a single problem with the way the US was governed in its infancy. Aside from the absurdity of believing that God is perfectly fine with every single practice a group makes, in the case the founding fathers, you are also saying that you'd be A OK living in a world where the minority ruled over the majority? And you're ignoring the impact the founding fathers had on others, including indigenous people.

Then you link, for the second time, a video from Todd White, a guy who lives a lavish lifestyle that began 10 years ago with him going around and magically "healing" 100s of people of the exact same affliction: one leg was shorter than the other. His technique mimics that of 1800s charlatans who toured the country conning people into giving them money for healing this supposed affliction. It's been debunked for over 100 years now, yet Todd White, literally a year removed from a lifetime of drug addiction, began going around and making money using that same trick over and over. If you look up "Todd White healing," especially in the early years, that's pretty much all you see. That and his use of cold reading with a poor success rate.

He eventually moved on to the chronic pain/warm feeling healing that is easily explained by the body's ability to produce endorphins that do, in fact, relieve pain temporarily since it's essentially like getting a shot of morphine.
Yet he never follows up with any of them as far as I've seen. It's just Heal-n-Go, like a coward unwilling to back up these supposed healings.

Fast forward 10 years from his life of poverty and the guy lives in a mansion, tours the world, and gives dangerous advice about not needing psychologists or licensed therapists. He opened a 4-year school that costs a significant amount of money with no accreditation, offering no career opportunities for graduates, and (in the fine print) mentions that he does not make appearances at "his school."

Now, if you believe that a majority of people are dealing with pain caused by one leg being shorter than the other, and that Todd White was the first guy since the 1800s to magically realize this, leading to him making Youtube videos going around and informing those, unbeknownst to them, that their pain was caused by leg disparity, then, fine. Go ahead believing he's legit.