Ewalker80 said:

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Here are all the players listed by ESPN (thought of as the most knowledgeable draft board by many) between Mayer (56) and where Mayer wants to go (AT LEAST 45 if not top 30 or so). If you want to make a case that Mayer is likely to go in the top 45, you should be able to show that he should go ahead of most or all of these players based on his entire upside and risk profile. That's a more useful exercise than putting up some random highlights or stats without a comparison. Of course he's an awesome player and athlete with a bunch of cool highlights or he wouldn't be an nba draft pick. We're talking about comparing his profile with other world class basketball players.

45 Ariel Huporti Germany
46 Juhann Begarin Auadeloupe
47 Jeremiah Robinson Earl
48 Matthew Hurt Duke
49 Kessler Edwards Pepperdine
50 Johnny Juzang UCLA
52 Isaiah Todd
52 David Johnson Louisville
53 Isaiah Livers Michigan
54 Gabriele Procida Italy
55 MATT
56 Luka Garza

Luka and Juzang are probably useful comparisons because most people probably know who they are or at least watched Juzang play some in the Final Four. If you want to argue Mayer will be projected where he wants to be, these are the kinds of players he would need to be projected before.

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BUCANDOIT82 said:

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For those who forget just how much better Mayer was as a freshman than many of the freshman mocked into this year's first round just sit back and enjoy a couple of minutes of highlights in the TCU game from a couple of years ago:

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IowaBear said:

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That mock has 2 foreign players... in other words that mock is a complete joke

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Media Bear said:

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IowaBear said:

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That mock has 2 foreign players... in other words that mock is a complete joke

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This.

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Jorkel said:

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Media Bear said:

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IowaBear said:

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That mock has 2 foreign players... in other words that mock is a complete joke

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This.

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Should it have more or less foreign players?

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Ewalker80 said:

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Here are all the players listed by ESPN (thought of as the most knowledgeable draft board by many) between Mayer (56) and where Mayer wants to go (AT LEAST 45 if not top 30 or so). If you want to make a case that Mayer is likely to go in the top 45, you should be able to show that he should go ahead of most or all of these players based on his entire upside and risk profile. That's a more useful exercise than putting up some random highlights or stats without a comparison. Of course he's an awesome player and athlete with a bunch of cool highlights or he wouldn't be an nba draft pick. We're talking about comparing his profile with other world class basketball players.

45 Ariel Huporti Germany
46 Juhann Begarin Auadeloupe
47 Jeremiah Robinson Earl
48 Matthew Hurt Duke
49 Kessler Edwards Pepperdine
50 Johnny Juzang UCLA
52 Isaiah Todd
52 David Johnson Louisville
53 Isaiah Livers Michigan
54 Gabriele Procida Italy
55 MATT
56 Luka Garza

Luka and Juzang are probably useful comparisons because most people probably know who they are or at least watched Juzang play some in the Final Four. If you want to argue Mayer will be projected where he wants to be, these are the kinds of players he would need to be projected before.

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IowaBear said:

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Yeah if you don't think Mayer's a lotto pick you're a hater, just ask BUCANDOIT. Then again he's the same guy who thinks JTT/Flagler are first rounders this year. That said Matt's a terrific player. If he comes back and dominates I'd imagine he's a top 20 pick in the 2022 draft

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IowaBear said:

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That statement alone shows you have zero idea what your talking about. You also said Adam is faster and can jump higher then Mitchell. Two absolutely laughable quotes. I can't take you serious because your irrational. I'm 100% convinced your related to Matt. I could sing Matt's praises all night to you. But I'll still be a hater because I won't say he's a lotto pick

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IowaBear said:

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Pretty much this. I'd have to actually go look but I would imagine drafts the last 10-20 years probably average at least 5 foreign players in the 1st rd. Teams are starting to reach more now with the success of guys like Porzingis, Doncic etc

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Foreign picks - Last 10 Drafts

In the past 10 drafts, there have been 104 foreign players (that did not play HS or college in the US) drafted. 60 were drafted in the top 40 picks.

2020
7. Killian Hayes (France)
9. Deni Avdija (Isreal)
17. Aleksej Pokusevski (Serbia)
23. Leandro Bolmaro (Argentina)
37. Vit Krejci (Czech Republic)
44. Marko Simonovic (Montenegro)
47. Yam Madar (Isreal)

2019
15. Sekou Doumbouya (France)
18. Goga Bitadze (Georgia)
19. Luka Samanic (Croatia)
35. Marcos Louzada Silva (Brazil)
37. Deividas Sirvydis (Lithuania)
39. Alen Smailagic (Serbia)
60. Vanja Marinkovic (Serbia)

2018
3. Luka Doncic (Slovenia)
29. Dzanan Musa (Bosnia & Herzegovina)
31. Elie Okobo (France)
39. Issac Bonga (Germany)
40. Rodions Kurucs (Latvia)
44. Issuf Sanon (Ukraine)
55. Arnoldas Kulboka (Lithunia)

2017
8. Frank Ntilikina (France)
25. Anzejs Pasecniks (Latvia)
36. Jonah Bolden (Australia)
43. Isaiah Hartenstein (Germany)
49. Vlatko Cancar (Slovenia)
50. Mathias Lessort (France)
57. Sasha Vezenkov (Bulgaria)
58. Ognjen Jaramaz (Serbia)
60. Alpha Kaba (France)

2016
4. Dragan Bender (Croatia)
10. Thon Maker (Australia)
13. Georgios Papagiannis (Greece)
15. Juan Hernangomez (Spain)
16. Guerschon Yabusele (France)
23. Ante Zizic (Croatia)
24. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (France)
26. Furkan Korkmaz (Turkey)
32. Ivica Zubac (Croatia)
35. Rade Zagorac (Serbia)
39. David Michineau (France)
43. Zhou Qi (China)
44. Isaia Cordinier (France)
48. Paul Zipser (Germany)
53. Petr Cornelie (France)
57. Wang Zhelin (China)

2015
4. Kristaps Porzingis (Latvia)
5. Mario Hezonja (Croatia)
26. Nikola Milutinov (Serbia)
31. Cedi Osman (Turkey)
35. Willy Hernangomez (Spain)
39. Juan Pablo Vaulet (Argentina)
47. Arturas Gudaitis (Lithuania)
50. Marcus Eriksson (Sweden)
54. Dani Diez (Spain)
57. Nikola Radicevic (Serbia)
59. Dimitrios Agravanis (Greece)
60. Luka Mitrovic (Serbia)

2014
5. Dante Exum (Australia)
12. Dario Saric (Croatia)
16. Jusuf Nurkic (Bosnia & Herzegovina)
20. Bruno Cabocio (Brazil)
25. Clint Capela (Switzerland)
27. Bogdan Bogdanovic (Serbia)
31. Damien Inglis (France)
41. Nikola Jokic (Serbia)
43. Walter Tavares (Cape Verde)
52. Vasilije Micic (Serbia)
53. Alessandro Gentile (Italy)
54. Nemanja Dangubic (Serbia)
57. Louis Labeyrie (France)

2013
15. Giannis Antetokounmpo (Greece)
16. Lucas Nogueira (Brazil)
17. Dennis Schroder (Germany)
19. Sergey Karasev (Russia)
27. Rudy Gobert (France)
28. Livio Jean-Charles (France)
30. Nemanja Nedovic (Serbia)
32. Alex Abrines (Spain)
45. Marko Todorovic (Montenegro)
47. Raul Neto (Brazil)
55. Joffrey Lauvergne (France)
59. Bojan Dubljevic (Montenegro)
60. Janie Timma (Latvia)

2012
20. Evan Fournier (France)
32. Tomas Satoransky (Czech Republic)
48. Kostas Papanikolaou (Greece)
50. Izzet Turkyilmaz (Turkey)
52. Ognjen Kuzmic (Serbia)
53. Furken Aldemir (Turkey)
54. Tornike Shengelia (Georgia)
56. Tomislav Zubcic (Croatia)
57. Ilkan Karaman (Turkey)

2011
5. Jonas Valanciunas (Lithuania)
6. Jan Vesely (Czech Republic)
7. Bismack Biyombo (DR Congo)
20. Donatas Motiejunas (Lithuania)
23. Nikola Mirotic (Spain)
31. Bojan Bogdanovic (Croatia)
42. Davis Bertans (Latvia)
54. Milan Macvan (Serbia)
57. Tanguy Ngombo (Qatar)
58. Ater Majok (Australia)
59. Adam Hanga (Hungary)

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IowaBear said:

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That statement alone shows you have zero idea what your talking about. You also said Adam is faster and can jump higher then Mitchell. Two absolutely laughable quotes. I can't take you serious because your irrational. I'm 100% convinced your related to Matt. I could sing Matt's praises all night to you. But I'll still be a hater because I won't say he's a lotto pick

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IowaBear said:

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It's a message board, I'm not writing a graded essay on here

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Ewalker80 said:

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Drew interview with Rex Chapman strongly suggests drew expects him back and that if he returns he i likely to make a lot more money. I suspect that is the advice the coaches are giving and I think they believe it.

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BUCANDOIT82 said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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Drew interview with Rex Chapman strongly suggests drew expects him back and that if he returns he i likely to make a lot more money. I suspect that is the advice the coaches are giving and I think they believe it.

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The advice the coaches gave him was to test the waters and if you're not getting guaranteed money your best option is to come back. I agree that is the best advice to give.

However, when workouts for teams begin and the draft combine is held in late June Mayer will be flying up draft boards. He is already better than most of the guys projected to go in the mid to late Lottery. He can shoot. He can create his own shot. He can create for others.

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