How is Coach Nicki Collen not in consideration for national coach of the year?

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sicem45
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Looking at a list recently, how its Nicki not being considered for NCOY?

She has taken a very thin roster, not the most talented and has them on the brink of a top 5 and positioned as a 2 seed. Its absolutely ridiculous she isn't being considered. Her coaching is a big reason we are in this position after the slow start.

I have been extremely pleased with player development this year. It feels great to not waste of some the talent we have, for example look at Sarah Andrews. Only a sophomore but she is going to be very dominant by the time she is a senior.
BearPawUp
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I agree. Was shocked she wasn't even mentioned. She has done a tremendous job under the pressures and scrutiny following a HOF coach. This team is really good and I absolutely love CNC's offense, And her personality is a great fit at Baylor
Stefano DiMera
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Voters probably read this board in December and forgot about her.
baylorbear33
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Play has been too inconsistent to warrant a nod.
rileyroo
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She has done a nice job righting the ship. However; I disagree with the comment about her inheriting a team with a "lack of talent". Smith could be the national player of the year. The rest of the team is loaded with all-Americans. We were picked to finish first in the conference and we are tied for the top (for now). The loss to a KSU team that starts 3 freshman was inexcusable. I think she balanced that out by beating ISU and UT (twice).

I'll reserve judgment until I see how the team finishes the season. I hate to mention "the coach who left us", but I miss how she coached defensive intensity. I think we have slipped in that area.

All in all a good season with a thin bench.
DFW Bill
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Nicki has done a good job. However the Big 12 Coach of the year will be Oklahoma's, Jennie Baranczyk. She inherited a team that finished 12-12 and did not have much time to recruit. The Sooners have gone 21-6 thus far, they are ranked in the Top 20 and have beaten Baylor twice this season. Talent wise Baylor is better than OU, especially the starting 5.

The National Coach of the Year will be Dawn Staley, from South Carolina, the unanimous #1 team currently.
That is a no brainer unless South Caroline losses in the SEC Tournament to "she who's name shall not be mentioned on this site"
Lynnp550
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sicem45 said:

Looking at a list recently, how its Nicki not being considered for NCOY?

She has taken a very thin roster, not the most talented and has them on the brink of a top 5 and positioned as a 2 seed. Its absolutely ridiculous she isn't being considered. Her coaching is a big reason we are in this position after the slow start.

I have been extremely pleased with player development this year. It feels great to not waste of some the talent we have, for example look at Sarah Andrews. Only a sophomore but she is going to be very dominant by the time she is a senior.
This is a thin roster, quite talented, although performance drops quickly past starting lineup. Nicki has brought this team through so many challenges in a very short time, managed to coach them to a tie for first place in the Big 12 and a top-tier seed in the big dance. She deserves to be on the short list for Big 12, if not COTY.
BaylorBears_254
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I mean, people are making it seem like she inherited a bad team.

She's doing what she was SUPPOSED to do this year…and that's win.

Outside of depth, this team was never supposed to be a losing team. She was given the keys to a legit Elite 8 team.

Should she be given some recognition? Sure, just not for NATIONAL Coach Of the Year
sicem45
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BaylorBears_254 said:

I mean, people are making it seem like she inherited a bad team.

She's doing what she was SUPPOSED to do this year…and that's win.

Outside of depth, this team was never supposed to be a losing team. She was given the keys to a legit Elite 8 team.

Should she be given some recognition? Sure, just not for NATIONAL Coach Of the Year


The cupboard was thin as a sheet. Let's stop acting like Kim left some stacked team, she left this program out to dry and Nicki is milking as much as she can out of this team with the pieces she does have. It was not a guarantee big 12 title or elite 8 this year. This team more than ever needs coaching and we have that with this staff!
IowaBear
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Man you really do prove your stupidity on the regular. This team was pre season top 10. Has arguably the nations top post in Smith. Another solid big in Egbo and a talented group of guards. Please quit acting like a moron just because you hate Kim. Sure CNC inherited a thin roster. She did not however inherit a roster lacking talent, and anyone who believes you or that is a clown. Btw that coach you claimed lost her fire has her team I. 2nd place in the toughest WBB conference. Keep showing your lack of knowledge
baylor1984
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You have to be the dumbest poster on this website or a magnificent troll. Either one is a hell of an accomplishment.
IowaBear
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Bingo! You can guarantee any post he makes will be to pump up CNC while tearing down the prior coach. The dude simply cannot keep the focus on CNC he has to drag the prior staff into every single post of his. It's quite exhausting.
setshot
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The team has a legitimate candidate for National Player of the Year.

There are no other collegiate All Americans on this squad, though Andrews (who played very little last year) and Egbo were included on some high school All American lists. Egbo has oft been cited here for her inconsistency (we saw a little of that today, though nothing like some of her past games). Lewis was a second team All SEC player last season and has been a real asset. Asberry made the All Big 12 squad last year, I believe, but was not in the top ranks. Jaden Owens, another high school All American, scarcely saw the floor last year. It is noteworthy how many high school "All Americans" don't pan out as college players. What are the criteria for these selections, anyway?

Bickle was well thought of coming out of Arizona, but an injury blighted her senior year. She is an asset to this team, no question. There it is...and while it is a very good group, the guards and Bickle are a bit undersized for their positions, particularly since we need more rebounding from those positions than they can give us. Teams with size have hurt us on the boards and often limited us to one shot, while occasionally getting multiple shots in a possession. Our balance and ability have compensated for that for the most part, but in the NCAA Tournament, particularly after the first weekend, we will see the gap in ability narrow and the importance of size become larger.

We replaced some quality starters from last year and dropped down in size. It has taken us awhile to become accustomed to the new coach and her system. It is beautiful to watch when the shots are dropping and the passes are on the mark. Neither was true of today, so the win was an ugly one. Given the circumstances I was happy to see our team win and leave that arena.

Coaches do not win awards, as a rule, for doing what they are expected to do. However, if what they are expected to do is to protect their top-ranked status and bring home a championship, as Dawn Staley appears on the path to do, that usually results in favorable notice for coaching awards. She has had two of the last three top ranked classes, and that always helps. When she is not dominant in personnel, she usually struggles just like other coaches do in similar situations, including Auriemma.

The myth of "'coaching 'em up" that has frequently surfaced on this board over the years is not a persuasive one to me, nor the one that he or she can beat you with hers, or take yours and beat you equally well. No, Don Shula could not do that in football and Mike K. could not do it in basketball. I am a big admirer of Aranda, but he lost just as big season before last as he won in this recent one. There were a number of differences that made that possible, including the schedule. I feel the same way about our basketball coaches, recent past and present.

The portal makes a huge difference for the current coaches, and particularly so in basketball. We will see how it plays out in the years ahead. I think that Baylor is fortunate to have many fine coaches, particularly in the "major" sports, and I do not mean to imply that coaching does not make a difference. But there is a reason that recruiting budgets have soared into fanciful regions, these days, and that multiple people are employed to do almost nothing but scout, evaluate, and recruit.
BaylorBears_254
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sicem45 said:

BaylorBears_254 said:

I mean, people are making it seem like she inherited a bad team.

She's doing what she was SUPPOSED to do this year…and that's win.

Outside of depth, this team was never supposed to be a losing team. She was given the keys to a legit Elite 8 team.

Should she be given some recognition? Sure, just not for NATIONAL Coach Of the Year


The cupboard was thin as a sheet. Let's stop acting like Kim left some stacked team, she left this program out to dry and Nicki is milking as much as she can out of this team with the pieces she does have. It was not a guarantee big 12 title or elite 8 this year. This team more than ever needs coaching and we have that with this staff!


Lmao. Yall have to stop this narrative that she inherited a bad team or poorly coached team.

This team ALWAYS had enough talent and skill to make it to the Sweet 16/E8, with the ability to sneak into the F4.

It we're being quite honest, this team was ALWAYS better than each Big 12 team this year. No other Big 12 team is a legit Top 10 team besides us.

NC is doing what she should've been doing from the start, it just took a while.
Baylorkid
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sicem45 said:

BaylorBears_254 said:

I mean, people are making it seem like she inherited a bad team.

She's doing what she was SUPPOSED to do this year…and that's win.

Outside of depth, this team was never supposed to be a losing team. She was given the keys to a legit Elite 8 team.

Should she be given some recognition? Sure, just not for NATIONAL Coach Of the Year


The cupboard was thin as a sheet. Let's stop acting like Kim left some stacked team, she left this program out to dry and Nicki is milking as much as she can out of this team with the pieces she does have. It was not a guarantee big 12 title or elite 8 this year. This team more than ever needs coaching and we have that with this staff!

You sure are annoying!
Bear3
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Nikki inherited 2 starters from last year's team. Bickle played some minutes off of the bench, Sarah and Jaden played very few.minutes last year. Jordan and Jay Mee are talented but they never played with these players before. There is also freshman Kendra who has potential but is not ready for many minutes yet. We lost starters Didi, Moon and Dijonai as well as 5 bench players. There is definitely talent on this team but it is not close to last year's team.
Wbbfan29
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This gang war is getting old....
Eball
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Sicem45 timing is so odd. The only reason we hear from him or her is because our former coach is on the list for National COY award and getting a ton of publicity. I don't think. OP had anything to do with CNC or Baylor just jealous over Attention to old coach.
lookin4awin
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Wbbfan29 said:

This gang war is getting old....
There is no gang war here, it is this same poster-Sicem 45-who continues to try to divide the Board-even after a hard-fought win on an off night on the road. It is annoying.
Wbbfan29
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Sicem45 , it's okay to compliment CNC without mentioning Kim. She left, we are in a new year. She will earn her accolades eventually, even if it's ten years down the line.

In my opinion, baylor didn't inherit a lack of talent , but a lack of chemistry.

We lost Didi , Dijonai to the W. Moon, Trinity, Hannah, Jordyn, Carr, Kamaria to the portal. This year we have two returning starters, two transfers, and three people that barley played last year. We have good pieces, it just took time to gel.
Wbbfan29
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Yes I agree. It is very annoying as him or AP always seem to find away to turn a positive conversation into a negative one. I honestly wish Sicem365 could revamp the site to where if you block a poster you cant see their replies as well. The ignore/block button is useless here...
baylorbear33
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As I've said before, I'm convinced that Sicem45 is Mack, our illustrious AD. Possibly LL or someone super 'close' to the situation. Just look at the date he/she joined the site. Either way, you can count on posts to always be polarizing nonsense.
IowaBear
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On a serious note who does everyone believe deserves COY ? I'm leaning Finley from FL she's doing a remarkable job and doing it without their best player Briggs
74Bear
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Same...Finley of Florida. Amazing job
BaylorBears_254
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IowaBear said:

On a serious note who does everyone believe deserves COY ? I'm leaning Finley from FL she's doing a remarkable job and doing it without their best player Briggs


Honestly speaking? I'll give 3.

Dawn, year in and year out, she has those girls competing at a high level.

Mulkey (No bias) LSU SUCKED last year. The coaching job she has done is nothing short of phenomenal.

The Florida coach. Pretty good response for them after losing Briggs (who i wish we had gotten somehow).
Bear3
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Agree. Finley has done amazing job in the situation she had at Florida. For awhile I thought Oklahoma Coach had good shot at COY but Oklahoma is not as good as at beginning of season.
slimecap
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IowaBear said:

who does everyone believe deserves COY ?



Feb 16, 2022
blackie
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BaylorBears_254 said:

IowaBear said:

On a serious note who does everyone believe deserves COY ? I'm leaning Finley from FL she's doing a remarkable job and doing it without their best player Briggs


Honestly speaking? I'll give 3.

Dawn, year in and year out, she has those girls competing at a high level.

Mulkey (No bias) LSU SUCKED last year. The coaching job she has done is nothing short of phenomenal.

The Florida coach. Pretty good response for them after losing Briggs (who i wish we had gotten somehow).
It might also imply that the previous LSU coach was just flat out terrible, or at least terrible for that team and if they had had even a run of the mill decent coach last year, the turnaround would not look so great. Hard to base COY by comparing a team one year under one coach to the previous year under a different coach with basically the same roster which puts an asterisk in my book to both Mulkey and Collen.

Dawn's problem is the same one Kim had several times when we thought she deserved coach of the year (Big XII or national) and didn't get it. Her teams just kept their high level and so nothing was "unusual". So you ended up with someone finishing 2nd or lower winning the award for the conference(primarily because their team was crappy the year before and had a dramatic improvement in the current year) and Kim (or Drew for many years as well) not even getting a whiff at the national award. Some may look at Staley the same way.

It's probably an award that shouldn't even be given out. There is way too much subjectivity to it. The real winner probably should have been someone that didn't get the press because they weren't a big name or coached at a big name school, perhaps not even at a P5 or G5. Kind of like the Heisman essentially coming down to the best player on the best team. RG3 was an exception.
lookin4awin
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Well, one thing for sure, Jeff Walz isn't my guy for the award.

I think Kim Barnes-Arico (Michigan)should get some consideration for this award, but she is a long-shot. They are 21-4 this year and still in contention to win the Big 10. I mentioned a few weeks ago that they have been without Leigha Brown for many weeks, most recently with a lower leg injury. I would call Brown the Didi of that team, and when she and Roz Hillmon are on the court together, Michigan is formidable for anyone.

We can slice and dice and minimize Mulkey's performance, but in my opinion when you objectively look at how LSU turned around this year, it's hard to say it was just pure luck and not coaching and player motivation. I think she deserves attention for the award too. But, there are still games to play.

Staley was quoted as saying after the LSU game that if LSU had given the prior coach the same amount of support that they give Mulkey, that LSU would have had a better season last year. I don't know the answer to that. I can already feel that Mulkey Staley tension in the air though. And as we all know, nothing like a conflict to fuel Kim's passion.
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blackie said:

BaylorBears_254 said:

IowaBear said:

On a serious note who does everyone believe deserves COY ? I'm leaning Finley from FL she's doing a remarkable job and doing it without their best player Briggs


Honestly speaking? I'll give 3.

Dawn, year in and year out, she has those girls competing at a high level.

Mulkey (No bias) LSU SUCKED last year. The coaching job she has done is nothing short of phenomenal.

The Florida coach. Pretty good response for them after losing Briggs (who i wish we had gotten somehow).
It might also imply that the previous LSU coach was just flat out terrible, or at least terrible for that team and if they had had even a run of the mill decent coach last year, the turnaround would not look so great. Hard to base COY by comparing a team one year under one coach to the previous year under a different coach with basically the same roster which puts an asterisk in my book to both Mulkey and Collen.

Dawn's problem is the same one Kim had several times when we thought she deserved coach of the year (Big XII or national) and didn't get it. Her teams just kept their high level and so nothing was "unusual". So you ended up with someone finishing 2nd or lower winning the award for the conference(primarily because their team was crappy the year before and had a dramatic improvement in the current year) and Kim (or Drew for many years as well) not even getting a whiff at the national award. Some may look at Staley the same way.

It's probably an award that shouldn't even be given out. There is way too much subjectivity to it. The real winner probably should have been someone that didn't get the press because they weren't a big name or coached at a big name school, perhaps not even at a P5 or G5. Kind of like the Heisman essentially coming down to the best player on the best team. RG3 was an exception.


Lmao what? So you're saying the job that Mulkey is doing with a team that was complete trash last year leaves an asterisk? WHAAAAAT. That is a COMPLETE turnaround and shows how good a coach is, no matter how you spin it.

Collen is doing what she is supposed to do as I said before. She was always supposed to win with this team.

Dawn may or may not get it. Usually coaches who dominate year in and year out don't get the award, when they do deserve it.

Everything else about the award, I'll agree with. But don't speak about an asterisk, as if this season didnt matter for both coaches.
BaylorBears_254
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Also, Blackie not to derail the thread, but If I remember correctly, last time you felt as if I were coming for you after replying to every time "you" quoted me. If you're going to quote me again, I hope that you don't go that route again as if my replies to you are harassing you.

If we can have a civilized back and forth, then so be it.
blackie
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BaylorBears_254 said:

Also, Blackie not to derail the thread, but If I remember correctly, last time you felt as if I were coming for you after replying to every time "you" quoted me. If you're going to quote me again, I hope that you don't go that route again as if my replies to you are harassing you.

If we can have a civilized back and forth, then so be it.
"Lmao" is not the way to have a civilized discussion.

I don't agree with a poster's opinions on some things, but I don't question their right to have them or to make fun of them. Everyone deserves that much respect on the board, regardless of how much an opinion given in good faith differs from one someone else might have. Much of what is said on these boards concern topics which are highly subjective. That is always going to lead to different opinions usually because different posters are looking at situations in a different manner. Sometimes after consideration of other's opinions I come to the conclusion that I was wrong in my assessment, but making light of someone's opinion or dismissing them out of hand is not a good way to have that discussion that leads to a change in their evaluation of the topic in question.
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blackie said:

BaylorBears_254 said:

Also, Blackie not to derail the thread, but If I remember correctly, last time you felt as if I were coming for you after replying to every time "you" quoted me. If you're going to quote me again, I hope that you don't go that route again as if my replies to you are harassing you.

If we can have a civilized back and forth, then so be it.
"Lmao" is not the way to have a civilized discussion.

I don't agree with a poster's opinions on some things, but I don't question their right to have them or to make fun of them. Everyone deserves that much respect on the board, regardless of how much an opinion given in good faith differs from one someone else might have. Much of what is said on these boards concern topics which are highly subjective. That is always going to lead to different opinions usually because different posters are looking at situations in a different manner. Sometimes after consideration of other's opinions I come to the conclusion that I was wrong in my assessment, but making light of someone's opinion or dismissing them out of hand is not a good way to have that discussion that leads to a change in their evaluation of the topic in question.


It's a new day in age. Lmao is not something you should be offended about.

You know how you laugh at something in real life, because you're in disbelief? Yea that's the form of which im using "lmao".

I never have a problem with a back and forth, but I will always tend to give out the same energy the other is putting out
blackie
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BaylorBears_254 said:

blackie said:

BaylorBears_254 said:

Also, Blackie not to derail the thread, but If I remember correctly, last time you felt as if I were coming for you after replying to every time "you" quoted me. If you're going to quote me again, I hope that you don't go that route again as if my replies to you are harassing you.

If we can have a civilized back and forth, then so be it.
"Lmao" is not the way to have a civilized discussion.

I don't agree with a poster's opinions on some things, but I don't question their right to have them or to make fun of them. Everyone deserves that much respect on the board, regardless of how much an opinion given in good faith differs from one someone else might have. Much of what is said on these boards concern topics which are highly subjective. That is always going to lead to different opinions usually because different posters are looking at situations in a different manner. Sometimes after consideration of other's opinions I come to the conclusion that I was wrong in my assessment, but making light of someone's opinion or dismissing them out of hand is not a good way to have that discussion that leads to a change in their evaluation of the topic in question.


It's a new day in age. Lmao is not something you should be offended about.

You know how you laugh at something in real life, because you're in disbelief? Yea that's the form of which im using "lmao".

I never have a problem with a back and forth, but I will always tend to give out the same energy the other is putting out
Brother.....you 've got more energy than me. -
BluesBear
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There's a coach @ LSU making some noise....my money is on that one...
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