Bear_Fan254 said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Still a Jana fan, still glad she's on the team.
17 pts, 8 ast, 4/8 from 3

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AP would be in shambles if he could read.

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She also drew 5 fouls and had 4 rebounds.

Here is a link to a detailed box score from yesterday: OSU Baylor Box - Oklahoma State University Athletics

Funny how folks like to run with one box score and ignore ten others.

Haven't seen yesterday's game (only highlites) but don't remember OSU having a dominant PG.
When I see JVG winning the dribble against a quality athletic PG my mind will change.
Running up stats against a lesser athletic PG doesn't amaze me.

BTW what does stand out from the highlights is that the game turned when Scott, Deng, Brow, and Nelms (four scorers with the team's only creator) were playing.
Also note that the highlites show substantially more five player motion O and less high ball screen two player action. The staff appears to finally be admitting that we can't consistently win the dribble.

Ultimately season long on court production is the final judge about who is correct. Until then stick with the name calling……it is clearly your strongest play. Funny how none of these insults were directed at the Admin when they made the exact same points that I made. Guess the outrage is about non substantive matters only.

T-REX said:

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We know you havent seen the game. Fans watch games

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And people with a real life travel with their families during the holidays. And not to games.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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T-REX said:

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We know you havent seen the game. Fans watch games

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And people with a real life travel with their families during the holidays. And not to games.

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ol wrong again with your assumptions. I wasnt at the game in stillwater. I said WATCH not go. And I just spent a week in Missouri with my wife and child celebrating Christmas with my in-laws. I watched the mbb game Monday via espn+ while there. Then I worked yesterday in the office, we got back Tuesday, & watched the wbb game on espn+.

Dont know what traveling during the holidays has to do with watching a game in 2025 when every game is either on tv or streamed though. Swing and a miss yet again. Ill wait in line for your apology. Got to apologize on the Nnija thread first for having zero knowledge of euro league ball tho

T-REX said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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T-REX said:

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We know you havent seen the game. Fans watch games

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And people with a real life travel with their families during the holidays. And not to games.

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ol wrong again with your assumptions. I wasnt at the game in stillwater. I said WATCH not go. And I just spent a week in Missouri with my wife and child celebrating Christmas with my in-laws. I watched the mbb game Monday via espn+ while there. Then I worked yesterday in the office, we got back Tuesday, & watched the wbb game on espn+.

Dont know what traveling during the holidays has to do with watching a game in 2025 when every game is either on tv or streamed though. Swing and a miss yet again. Ill wait in line for your apology. Got to apologize on the Nnija thread first for having zero knowledge of euro league ball tho

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Since you are the King of All Game Watching, explain how someone watches a game on ESPN+ on a Transatlantic flight with no WiFi?

We are all interested on your informed insights.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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T-REX said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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T-REX said:

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We know you havent seen the game. Fans watch games

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And people with a real life travel with their families during the holidays. And not to games.

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ol wrong again with your assumptions. I wasnt at the game in stillwater. I said WATCH not go. And I just spent a week in Missouri with my wife and child celebrating Christmas with my in-laws. I watched the mbb game Monday via espn+ while there. Then I worked yesterday in the office, we got back Tuesday, & watched the wbb game on espn+.

Dont know what traveling during the holidays has to do with watching a game in 2025 when every game is either on tv or streamed though. Swing and a miss yet again. Ill wait in line for your apology. Got to apologize on the Nnija thread first for having zero knowledge of euro league ball tho

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Since you are the King of All Game Watching, explain how someone watches a game on ESPN+ on a Transatlantic flight with no WiFi?

We are all interested on your informed insights.

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the solution is rather easy: choose an airline that has wifi. Ive ways had zero issues on my international flights including those that cross oceans

ECBear said:

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She played all 40 minutes today, scoring in double figures and having just one turnover.

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this thread lol

Updated numbers:

109/41

AP had a point to make, right?

geewago said:

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WHERE AP ?

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care to explain this result from your vast pool of basketball knowledge.

shooting 50% against teams that don't pressure the ball (your big chest thumping moment) is far less telling than shooting 10% against a ball pressure D.

Last night her shooting just fit in with everybody else. My only real complaint with Jana is that she seems to have problems counting to 5. I think we had two 5-second violations on inbounds with her last night and that isn't the first time that has happened this year.

But given your opinions, who would you start in place of her?

Delmar 2.0 said:

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7/3 a:t ratio, still better than 2:1 on her worst night and also adding 4 reb and 2 steals. Pretty good numbers for an overall terrible night for everybody wearing a gold Sic'em jersey.

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FIFY

blackie said:

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Last night her shooting just fit in with everybody else. My only real complaint with Jana is that she seems to have problems counting to 5. I think we had two 5-second violations on inbounds with her last night and that isn't the first time that has happened this year.

But given your opinions, who would you start in place of her?

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You miss the main points I made.
My point has consistently been about roster construction and player analysis.

Would I start her? No.
Would I use her as the PG sub? Yes.
Work hard to let her get her minutes against backups and not starters (at the very least do it against ball pressure teams).
Necessarily that means using Scott as the starting PG. Moving Deng to the starting lineup.

Are those moves ideal? No.
Are they the best option among poor options? Yes.

ultimately the flawed roster construction limits choices.
hopefully putting more shooting around Buggs and Fontleroy opens their shooting windows (even by a slight amount) which increases efficiency.

the "starter" label itself is unimportant. The main focus is how many minutes players play and whether they log those minutes against starters or backups. Having Scott log PG backup minutes against opposing backups seems strange. Let her attack the opposing starting PG and draw some fouls. The more minutes we force the other team to play their backup PG, the better for us. Is it hard on Scott? Yes. But is she already initiating a ton of halfcourt O? Also yes.

Bear_Fan254 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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geewago said:

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WHERE AP ?

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care to explain this result from your vast pool of basketball knowledge.

shooting 50% against teams that don't pressure the ball (your big chest thumping moment) is far less telling than shooting 10% against a ball pressure D.

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Yet no where to be seen when she had very solid games against Ok State and undefeated #10 ISU. Bad shooting night but a very solid 7 assists and solid D all night.

Your weird obsession with JVG remains creepy as ever, man. Clowns gonna clown.

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The only thing creepy is you repeatedly flipping out about player analysis on a sports message board.

running up average stats against teams that do not apply ball pressure might be your threshold. It isn't for most informed viewers.

Delmar 2.0 said:

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7/3 a:t ratio, still better than 2:1 on her worst night and also adding 4 reb and 2 steals. Pretty good numbers for an overall terrible night for everybody wearing a yellow Sic'em jersey.

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Care to guess how many of those assists were created by her vs. created by the O action?
An assist by passing to a shooter who got open via double screen action isn't the same as a dribble drive draw and deliver assist.
Deng making shots after a double screen was one of the few highlights last night.
Can anyone name even one drive and distribute assist?

Hey, watch the geriatric comments! That's uncalled for and hits too close to home.

KIA

KIA

blackie said:

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Last night her shooting just fit in with everybody else. My only real complaint with Jana is that she seems to have problems counting to 5. I think we had two 5-second violations on inbounds with her last night and that isn't the first time that has happened this year.

But given your opinions, who would you start in place of her?

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I saw that happen last night and was reminded of what I heard the team discuss on this they are coached to take the 5 second count rather than risk a live ball turnover if the pass is not there. Compare the that to Skillings the night before when he just despite tossed a pass to no one to beat the 5 second count which led to a turnover and easy Iowa State bucket.

Bask to last night, Buggs immediately gestured it was her fault as she ran the wrong play leading to no one being open for Jana.

Bear_Fan254 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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geewago said:

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WHERE AP ?

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care to explain this result from your vast pool of basketball knowledge.

shooting 50% against teams that don't pressure the ball (your big chest thumping moment) is far less telling than shooting 10% against a ball pressure D.

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Yet no where to be seen when she had very solid games against Ok State and undefeated #10 ISU. Bad shooting night but a very solid 7 assists and solid D all night.

Your weird obsession with JVG remains creepy as ever, man. Clowns gonna clown.

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Good point on the solid D. One thing CNC mentioned in the Iowa State post game is that Jana was able to rest on D in that game because she was guarding a player who did not handle the ball and just hung out on the perimeter. That was not the case last night. Jana did not sub out much last night, if at all, until she fouled out. Against Ok. State, Jana came back strong in the 4th quarter after Ella subbed out for her for about 4 minutes. Maybe CNC needs to consider getting Jana a bit more rest during certain games.