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In reply to Adriacus Peratuun • 5:57p, 3/3/26
Adriacus Peratuun said:
Without telling me the exact amount (folks don't want to cross some lines), a friend in the upper reaches of the Baylor Admin offered that WBB currently has sufficient NIL funds to be a consistent NCAAT 2nd weekend team.

A reasonable conclusion from that comment is that WBB at least falls somewhere in the Top 20-25 of NIL funding and possibly in the Top 15.

Given that it is fairly easy to determine the current top funders: UConn, Texas, Tennessee, South Carolina, LSU, Duke, Louisville, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, UCLA, TCU, Vandy…..it should also be easy to figure that next tier…..Iowa, Michigan, UNC, NC State, Minnesota, Oregon, ATM, SMU, Ole Miss, Miami, etc.

How does our program compare to that group and to the end of the top funding group?

Think it is a fair assessment that the NIL situation isn't merely an "amount" issue but also a "use of funds" issue.
Didn't buy a starting PG when CNC repeatedly opines of her affinity for running a high ball screen offense.
First Portal buy last year was Pemberton who by any metric was a massive failure.
Great buy of Scott. Solid buys of Deng and Johnson. Brow was clearly a miss.
We also spent up on Fontleroy who clearly is heavily physically damaged.
After a slow start Buggs had a solid season. But although a great rebounder, she is an undersized 4 whose shooting range is 20 feet and is an average defender.

Is 1 great, 1 good, 2 solids and 3 misses a great NIL record?

CNC is not terrible. But neither is she delivering results above reasonable expectations.
The biggest worry is her failure to recruit players who fit her system.
Another big worry is a noticeable cap on player development.
The final big worry is being a team constantly reacting to game plans when playing top teams.

Can anyone name one game this season (against a top team) where our game plan dictated how the game was played?


Do we see Ines(not mentioned above)as a decent backup?I assume we will buy a starting point guard.
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In reply to Task Force 2015 • 6:16p, 3/3/26
I think two years from now Ines could be, but for next year I wouldn't think so. Ines just hasn't played a lot in her career in general due to injury or recovery for last 2 years which thankfully she got cleared to play in January.

Now for Ella I don't see her as a starting point guard either though she could be a valuable veteran backup.
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In reply to Task Force 2015 • 6:18p, 3/3/26
Task Force 2015 said:
Adriacus Peratuun said:
Without telling me the exact amount (folks don't want to cross some lines), a friend in the upper reaches of the Baylor Admin offered that WBB currently has sufficient NIL funds to be a consistent NCAAT 2nd weekend team.

A reasonable conclusion from that comment is that WBB at least falls somewhere in the Top 20-25 of NIL funding and possibly in the Top 15.

Given that it is fairly easy to determine the current top funders: UConn, Texas, Tennessee, South Carolina, LSU, Duke, Louisville, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, UCLA, TCU, Vandy…..it should also be easy to figure that next tier…..Iowa, Michigan, UNC, NC State, Minnesota, Oregon, ATM, SMU, Ole Miss, Miami, etc.

How does our program compare to that group and to the end of the top funding group?

Think it is a fair assessment that the NIL situation isn't merely an "amount" issue but also a "use of funds" issue.
Didn't buy a starting PG when CNC repeatedly opines of her affinity for running a high ball screen offense.
First Portal buy last year was Pemberton who by any metric was a massive failure.
Great buy of Scott. Solid buys of Deng and Johnson. Brow was clearly a miss.
We also spent up on Fontleroy who clearly is heavily physically damaged.
After a slow start Buggs had a solid season. But although a great rebounder, she is an undersized 4 whose shooting range is 20 feet and is an average defender.

Is 1 great, 1 good, 2 solids and 3 misses a great NIL record?

CNC is not terrible. But neither is she delivering results above reasonable expectations.
The biggest worry is her failure to recruit players who fit her system.
Another big worry is a noticeable cap on player development.
The final big worry is being a team constantly reacting to game plans when playing top teams.

Can anyone name one game this season (against a top team) where our game plan dictated how the game was played?


Do we see Ines(not mentioned above)as a decent backup?I assume we will buy a starting point guard.

Given the decently long shopping list, she almost certainly will need to cover/share backup PG duties.
If a starting PG isn't shopping list item #1, CNC should simply stop coaching and start working on her CV.
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In reply to Delmar 2.0 • 6:21p, 3/3/26
Delmar 2.0 said:
Your reading comprehension is terrible AP. Repeating because you seem a little slow...at the time of the game ISU was "a top team". They were undefeated, ranked in the top 10, and had just beaten their rival Iowa (also & still a top 10 team). CNC's gameplan worked tremendously, allowing her team to upset a top 10 team on the road, handing them their 1st loss of the season in the process. Somehow you missed all of that; which isn't too surprising since you ignore all good news about this team and focus 100% on the negative.

Or I am a realist who understands that ISU was massively over-ranked due to a mostly soft OOC schedule and who were subsequently exposed as a fake.

The data supports my position. Your chest thumping notwithstanding.

10-8, tied for 7th place in a 16 team conference. You still haven't dealt with the elephant in the room.
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In reply to Delmar 2.0 • 6:31p, 3/3/26
Delmar 2.0 said:
Your reading comprehension is terrible AP. Repeating because you seem a little slow...at the time of the game ISU was "a top team". They were undefeated, ranked in the top 10, and had just beaten their rival Iowa (also & still a top 10 team). CNC's gameplan worked tremendously, allowing her team to upset a top 10 team on the road, handing them their 1st loss of the season in the process. Somehow you missed all of that; which isn't too surprising since you ignore all good news about this team and focus 100% on the negative.

Another thing to consider is that Iowa State's losing streak coincided with Addy Brown's absence due to injury. You lose a part of your puzzle and what is a top team is going to take a hit. With her back they had TCU on the ropes in Ft. Worth. How they let that win evaporate is for a whole different discussion (I didn't see the game).

We have enough B.S. on this board. The question was asked and a valid answer was given.
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In reply to Adriacus Peratuun • 4:59a, 3/4/26
PG just has to be our #1 priority.
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3:42p, 3/4/26
She loses all 5 Starters. Scott is a "have shot… will travel" player. She got offers already and will go to big offer school. TCU wouldn't surprise me.
The Ft. Worth crowd would love it.
So who's back that excites you..???
Might be an Aranda kinda year.
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In reply to Quinimmo • 3:45p, 3/4/26
Quinimmo said:
She loses all 5 Starters. Scott is a "have shot… will travel" player. She got offers already and will go to big offer school. TCU wouldn't surprise me.
The Ft. Worth crowd would love it.
So who's back that excites you..???
Might be an Aranda kinda year.
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In reply to Quinimmo • 3:52p, 3/4/26
Quinimmo said:
She loses all 5 Starters. Scott is a "have shot… will travel" player. She got offers already and will go to big offer school. TCU wouldn't surprise me.
The Ft. Worth crowd would love it.
So who's back that excites you..???
Might be an Aranda kinda year.

So basically you are saying tampering is going on. That's about the best credibility I can give this post. Based on the last two years, she would be a downgrade for TCU. I suspect Campbell will have his sights set a lot higher than Scott. She is way too inconsistent compared to Van Lith and Miles.
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4:01p, 3/4/26
It's also robbing BAYLOR.
A dagger every Frog would covet.
TCU owns Baylor right now and they are loving it.
Thank Mack Rhoades.
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In reply to Quinimmo • 4:43p, 3/4/26
Exactly how do you know Scott has offers and will go to a big offer school??? Are you a personal friend of hers??
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In reply to Quinimmo • 6:14p, 3/4/26
Go away taliah is not going nowhere, she will not transfer again, this is her third school.
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In reply to Quinimmo • 3:21p, 3/5/26
can anybody tell me, why, in the wide, wide world of sports, Baylor has a mediocre, at best, girl's basketball coach that has an overpriced contract that lasts for four more years past this season? let me guess, Mack Rhoades? When will anyone tell our administration that we don't have to bind ourselves into inescapable contracts to achieve mere mediocrity?
I'm a Bearbacker
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7:49p, 3/5/26
Wait……..how did low seed ASU on the aft end of a B2B beat that Delmar designated powerhouse ISU?
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In reply to Adriacus Peratuun • 2:45p, 3/6/26
The same way a KSU team you called terrible when we beat the brakes off them a couple games back just made the Big 12 semis.
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In reply to Kkybear09 • 2:56p, 3/6/26
Kkybear09 said:
The same way a KSU team you called terrible when we beat the brakes off them a couple games back just made the Big 12 semis.

So you are opining that the KSU team that lost this season to South Dakota, South Dakota State, Green Bay & San Diego State is now a powerhouse?

They suck. OSU simply sucked more today.
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3:33p, 3/6/26
I never said Powerhouse. I'm saying you said terrible and am pointing out that your terrible team won just like you pointed out that someone else's great team lost. Don't serve what you can't eat.

There's a whole lot that's in between terrible and powerhouse and sometimes as fans we forget that.

We can't only look at data points that line up with our own notions.

Baylor WBB did lose games to TCU (2x), TTU (2x), WVU, Iowa, and Texas. None of those are bad losses in context of a tournament resume. But they are losses.

Baylor WBB also beat Duke, ISU, and every other team on the schedule this year to this point.

Baylor Women's Basketball is a good program at the moment. It's not an elite program at the moment but it's not mediocre or bad either. We are a top 25 program.

Whether or not that's okay is another question, but some of yall pretend the sky is falling when Coach Collen's career win percentage is somewhere around 10% less than Coach Mulkey's.
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In reply to Kkybear09 • 3:37p, 3/6/26
Kkybear09 said:
I never said Powerhouse. I'm saying you said terrible and am pointing out that your terrible team won just like you pointed out that someone else's great team lost. Don't serve what you can't eat.

There's a whole lot that's in between terrible and powerhouse and sometimes as fans we forget that.

We can't only look at data points that line up with our own notions.

Baylor WBB did lose games to TCU (2x), TTU (2x), WVU, Iowa, and Texas. None of those are bad losses in context of a tournament resume. But they are losses.

Baylor WBB also beat Duke, ISU, and every other team on the schedule this year to this point.

Baylor Women's Basketball is a good program at the moment. It's not an elite program at the moment but it's not mediocre or bad either. We are a top 25 program.

Whether or not that's okay is another question, but some of yall pretend the sky is falling when Coach Collen's career win percentage is somewhere around 10% less than Coach Mulkey's.

Why not finish the analysis?

7 losses made up of 4 absolute beatdowns, 2 double digits losses, 1 close loss.

Getting repeatedly tubthumped matters.
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In reply to Adriacus Peratuun • 3:40p, 3/6/26
Now do the same for the 24 wins.
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In reply to Kkybear09 • 3:53p, 3/6/26
Kkybear09 said:
Now do the same for the 24 wins.

Baylor with 24 wins of which 1 is against a team likely to host in the NCAAT.

So we mostly beat the middle and bottom. Hurrah.
Like owning the nicest Ford Pinto.
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3:57p, 3/6/26
The anomaly this year is that you could argue our entire season was "chalk": we beat every team we were better than, and lost to every team that was better than us.

The only ones that don't entirely fit that narrative are the win over Duke (back when Duke couldn't punch its way out of a wet paper bag) and the losses to Tech. Tech was its own anomaly in that they went undefeated against TCU, WV and BU, but 4-7 against the middle 8 teams in the Big12, of which 4 or more won't even make the tournament.

The problem with a team like this is that after the opening round of the NCAAs, every opponent will be equal or better than us.
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In reply to Baylorbearsupporter • 8:59p, 3/6/26
Baylorbearsupporter said:
No gonna go back and forth with you, but when we win the big 12 next year dont say i didnt say it.

Bless your heart
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In reply to True Grit • 9:50p, 3/6/26
True Grit said:
PG just has to be our #1 priority.


New coach needs to be our priority!
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In reply to BU82EX • 10:16p, 3/6/26
Another stellar coaching job.
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10:22p, 3/6/26
Our staff lacks the ability to prepare and motivate the team for a big game.
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In reply to fredbear • 10:58p, 3/6/26
She is always quick to say how she knows she can coach, just haven't seen it.


fredbear said:
Compare her post game to Vic's. He is broken hearted and miffed that his team has no heart. She just wants to talk about her strategy. NC's problem is the inability to adjust during a game. By her own indication in postgame, She intentionally dares the guard to shoot threes. Not a bad technique if it works, but after the 4th three, I think I would have closed that loop. But TS continued to play a mile off. Just like not adjusting to break WV press. I would have guarded the heck out of the superstar and made someone else beat me. Adjust. It is a chess match!
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11:28p, 3/6/26
Nicki's record in the WNBA...


"Smarter than the Average Bear."
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In reply to Yogi • 12:12a, 3/7/26
Yogi said:
Nicki's record in the WNBA...



I appreciate you brining this up. I mentioned this when she was hired. Wasn't impressed with the hire. Felt we leaned heavily on the fact that she was Coach of the Year in 2018, but in reality, hadn't produced much. She was a safe hire. One that wouldn't rock the boat and would be easy to manage. She is a great person. And she seems kind. I think she would make an incredible assistant coach. She knows her Xs and Os. She isn't head coach material. And she definitely isn't head coach material for a program expecting to be competitive.

This is her fifth season. These are all her recruits. She has no excuse. We can blame this on NIL - that tends to be the low hanging fruit excuse that many gravitate towards. But in realty, we have no leadership, and our players aren't getting better with their time at Baylor.

As I told my friend tonight after the game - CNC is our Holly Warlick ... and we all see how Tennessee is STILL working to get out of that mess.
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8:42a, 3/7/26
It should be noted that the owner of the Atlanta Dream made critical remarks about the BLM movement and the WNBA supporting it back during that time. The players on the team took great offense to the comments and as a result decided to tank the season in an attempt to get the owner fired/removed. This at least partly explains how CNC's record went from COTY numbers to massively losing so quickly. It's facts. It's out there. Look it up.
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In reply to Delmar 2.0 • 9:03a, 3/7/26
Delmar 2.0 said:
It should be noted that the owner of the Atlanta Dream made critical remarks about the BLM movement and the WNBA supporting it back during that time. The players on the team took great offense to the comments and as a result decided to tank the season in an attempt to get the owner fired/removed. This at least partly explains how CNC's record went from COTY numbers to massively losing so quickly. It's facts. It's out there. Look it up.

I'd expect, even require, a good head coach to overcome such emotional tankings in developing a team. Those who refuse to mature get jettisoned. If nothing else, develop a common "enemy".
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In reply to Delmar 2.0 • 10:33a, 3/7/26
Delmar 2.0 said:
It should be noted that the owner of the Atlanta Dream made critical remarks about the BLM movement and the WNBA supporting it back during that time. The players on the team took great offense to the comments and as a result decided to tank the season in an attempt to get the owner fired/removed. This at least partly explains how CNC's record went from COTY numbers to massively losing so quickly. It's facts. It's out there. Look it up.

Good effort...but the book is consistent and we've read the same book in football:

1. Mack hires Aranda with much fanfare labeling him as a defensive "guru".....after (in reality) LSU rode Joe Burrow - offense - to a National Championship.

2. Wins Sugar/BigXII championship very early with a Matt Rhule built team of defensive talent.

3. Program steadily declines in chaos and disappointment each successive year since.

Peeps don't forget that every athletic program (the clown show known as) Mack Rhoades was associated with declined under his RULE before reaching Baylor. No single program was sad to see him go (err "resign"). And now, as many warned, the same results at Baylor.

Rhoades was a terrible hire by Livingstone, and then Rhoades made terrible hires within the athletic department.

CNC is not elite.
CDA is not elite.
Look it up.

Baylor fans and alumni deserve/ed better than CNC, and it deserve/ed better than CDA. We can now only support Doug to correct course.

Sic'em
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10:53a, 3/7/26
Honest question - when do donors stop providing for the program? Or has that already begun?
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In reply to bawitdaball • 10:57a, 3/7/26
bawitdaball said:
Honest question - when do donors stop providing for the program? Or has that already begun?

Good morning! How'd ya sleep....
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In reply to Bobby20 • 12:24p, 3/7/26
Bobby20 said:
bawitdaball said:
Honest question - when do donors stop providing for the program? Or has that already begun?

Good morning! How'd ya sleep....


Pretty well. Yourself?
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In reply to Bobby20 • 12:29p, 3/7/26
I agree that Aranda and Collen are not elite coaches. But let's be real, we are not getting an elite coach in either football or Wbb to come to Baylor. We can certainly get good coaches to come but not elite coaches.
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