Let's be honest

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canoso
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ECBear said:

CNC's contract runs through 2030 and she makes $1.2M a year. I am not sure we can financially do anything with her for a couple of more seasons. I appreciate her being willing to follow a HOF coach. But this program does not have much momentum. I am really worried where the program will be when we can finally make a change.

Why does the program not have momentum, and how is momentum regained? The first hurdle, which appears as tall as Mt Everest, is for BU to get over its risk aversion, aka fear of meaningful change, which isn't coming through the introduction of the Bear Claw at athletics food venues.
Bear3
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Where did you get the information that Nicki makes $1.2 Mil ?

I have never heard her exact salary.
BUatbirth
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I got a crazy idea. Want to improve the BU fan experience? WIN

I get it…but food/price isn't going to be what fills seats…just a hunch
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BUatbirth said:

I got a crazy idea. Want to improve the BU fan experience? WIN

I get it…but food/price isn't going to be what fills seats…just a hunch


Very Baylor approach.
Product is broken but they focus on the shipping package.
ECBear
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Bear3 said:

Where did you get the information that Nicki makes $1.2 Mil ?

I have never heard her exact salary.


Her compensation is reported in Baylor's Form 990. That is public information. The most recent one I could find online is for the year ended May 31, 2024. Part VII (Page 8) lists Nicki's "Reportable compensation from the organization (W2)" as $1,185,132 and her "Estimated amount of her compensation from the organization and related organizations" as $92,224. Hopefully this link works. But of not, I went to ProPublica's website.

Baylor University - Full Filing - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica

That same website shows the information from the previous year as well. The comparable numbers are $1,123,384 and $57,861, respectively.

When I first looked at this, I compared her to the other Big 12 coaches and her compensation was second (behind Adia Barnes at Arizona). Barnes has since left Arizona of course. But I have not looked at updated numbers for other coaches in our conference since then.
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ECBear said:

Bear3 said:

Where did you get the information that Nicki makes $1.2 Mil ?

I have never heard her exact salary.


Her compensation is reported in Baylor's Form 990. That is public information. The most recent one I could find online is for the year ended May 31, 2024. Part VII (Page 8) lists Nicki's "Reportable compensation from the organization (W2)" as $1,185,132 and her "Estimated amount of her compensation from the organization and related organizations" as $92,224. Hopefully this link works. But of not, I went to ProPublica's website.

Baylor University - Full Filing - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica

That same website shows the information from the previous year as well. The comparable numbers are $1,123,384 and $57,861, respectively.


The problem with total reported income is that it doesn't distinguish between guaranteed base salary and non guaranteed bonus amounts.

Would hazard a guess that 1/3 of that total comes from bonuses, camp revenue, etc. which are typically not guaranteed. Baylor is likely on the hook for about $800,000ish if she is terminated without cause. Still a large chunk for a cash starved athletic department. Time to put more needles into your Mack Rhoades voodoo doll.
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

ECBear said:

Bear3 said:

Where did you get the information that Nicki makes $1.2 Mil ?

I have never heard her exact salary.


Her compensation is reported in Baylor's Form 990. That is public information. The most recent one I could find online is for the year ended May 31, 2024. Part VII (Page 8) lists Nicki's "Reportable compensation from the organization (W2)" as $1,185,132 and her "Estimated amount of her compensation from the organization and related organizations" as $92,224. Hopefully this link works. But of not, I went to ProPublica's website.

Baylor University - Full Filing - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica

That same website shows the information from the previous year as well. The comparable numbers are $1,123,384 and $57,861, respectively.


The problem with total reported income is that it doesn't distinguish between guaranteed base salary and non guaranteed bonus amounts.

Would hazard a guess that 1/3 of that total comes from bonuses, camp revenue, etc. which are typically not guaranteed. Baylor is likely on the hook for about $800,000ish if she is terminated without cause. Still a large chunk for a cash starved athletic department. Time to put more needles into your Mack Rhoades voodoo doll.

Part II of Schedule J of that filing provides the following additional breakout of her compensation:

Base Salary $981,750
Bonus and Incentive Compensation $152,067
Other Reportable Compensation $51,315
Retirement and Deferred Compensation $35,640
Nontaxable benefits $56,584


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ECBear said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

ECBear said:

Bear3 said:

Where did you get the information that Nicki makes $1.2 Mil ?

I have never heard her exact salary.


Her compensation is reported in Baylor's Form 990. That is public information. The most recent one I could find online is for the year ended May 31, 2024. Part VII (Page 8) lists Nicki's "Reportable compensation from the organization (W2)" as $1,185,132 and her "Estimated amount of her compensation from the organization and related organizations" as $92,224. Hopefully this link works. But of not, I went to ProPublica's website.

Baylor University - Full Filing - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica

That same website shows the information from the previous year as well. The comparable numbers are $1,123,384 and $57,861, respectively.


The problem with total reported income is that it doesn't distinguish between guaranteed base salary and non guaranteed bonus amounts.

Would hazard a guess that 1/3 of that total comes from bonuses, camp revenue, etc. which are typically not guaranteed. Baylor is likely on the hook for about $800,000ish if she is terminated without cause. Still a large chunk for a cash starved athletic department. Time to put more needles into your Mack Rhoades voodoo doll.

Part II of Schedule J of that filing provides the following additional breakout of her compensation:

Base Salary $981,750
Bonus and Incentive Compensation $152,067
Other Reportable Compensation $51,315
Retirement and Deferred Compensation $35,640
Nontaxable benefits $56,584





Higher base and less bonus than expected. But still a significant (if not fully substantial) block of $300,000ish that likely isn't guaranteed. Not a deal maker amount but for a department that is sucking wind a noteworthy amount.
ECBear
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I agree - just providing info.
BearFan33
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The main problem I see, and its been here since KM left town, is our teams do not appear fundamentally sound, particularly on offense. We have talent, but make the same mistakes over and over. We are sloppy with our passing, we can't consistently make lay-ups (esp thru contact), we can't inbounds the ball well, etc. Also, I can't explain why some of our players seem to regress instead of progress in their skills. Something is off in the coaching.

We remain really competitive but can't seem to get over the hump. As frustrating as the loss was last night, I'm not sure we immediately need a head coaching change, but as we have an experienced and talented team this year and we can't win a weakened B12....its alarming.
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BearFan33 said:

The main problem I see, and its been here since KM left town, is our teams do not appear fundamentally sound, particularly on offense. We have talent, but make the same mistakes over and over. We are sloppy with our passing, we can't consistently make lay-ups (esp thru contact), we can't inbounds the ball well, etc. Also, I can't explain why some of our players seem to regress instead of progress in their skills. Something is off in the coaching.

We remain really competitive but can't seem to get over the hump. As frustrating as the loss was last night, I'm not sure we immediately need a head coaching change, but as we have an experienced and talented team this year and we can't win a weakened B12....its alarming.


Chicken or Egg situation.

If CNC wants to run a ball screen dominant offense, she must have players who can consistently win the dribble to create.

If CNC wants this year's type players, can't run a ball screen dominant offense.

It is either a roster construction failure or a talent recognition/schematic design failure.

One related item…..any offense at any level regardless of gender will fail when the ball goes 4-5 minutes routinely without touching the paint.

Bad shot selection.
Constantly picking up the dribble in bad locations. Zero awareness to help stranded teammates who poorly pick up their dribble.

With each game it becomes more apparent that Jada Walker's quickness was masking a ton of structural flaws.
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I understand UT loss. Their talent is superior to ours in all positions. I can also understand the loss in Morgantown with West Virginia press. We should have had a better showing against TCU .

The game against Tech is baffling. We controlled our own destiny and the play was a total embarrassment. This is on both players and coaches.
Bear3
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I can only hope this Tech game was a huge wake up call for both the coaches and players. We shall see how both respond . We still have 3 games and the tournament.
As someone said, the tournament is what matters. Things must change if we have any hope of getting past first weekend…..
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Bear3 said:

I can only hope this Tech game was a huge wake up call for both the coaches and players. We shall see how both respond . We still have 3 games and the tournament.
As someone said, the tournament is what matters. Things must change if we have any hope of getting past first weekend…..

Agree…but how many times has it been said "hope this is a wake up call"? Too many
Bear3
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Well we will know if this is or not very soon.
True Grit
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We lost by 1 at home to Tech without Scott, and then 13 games later with our full roster... lost by 31 at their place. I just don't get it. Did Tech improve that dramatically in 13 games?
BUatbirth
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Very frustrating. The eye test…TT just seemed to out do us in every area. I think the stats largely back that up. When we are off, we are WAY off. Same issues keep popping up. How many missed layups, put backs, fumbled passes…yadda yadda. Why do we seem to shrink when the stakes are highest? Baffling. Is it CNC coaching style? System? I like CNC personally…but gotta look her direction cuz the same issues keep popping up. As was stated…we will see the team response.
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

BearFan33 said:

The main problem I see, and its been here since KM left town, is our teams do not appear fundamentally sound, particularly on offense. We have talent, but make the same mistakes over and over. We are sloppy with our passing, we can't consistently make lay-ups (esp thru contact), we can't inbounds the ball well, etc. Also, I can't explain why some of our players seem to regress instead of progress in their skills. Something is off in the coaching.

We remain really competitive but can't seem to get over the hump. As frustrating as the loss was last night, I'm not sure we immediately need a head coaching change, but as we have an experienced and talented team this year and we can't win a weakened B12....its alarming.


Chicken or Egg situation.

If CNC wants to run a ball screen dominant offense, she must have players who can consistently win the dribble to create.

If CNC wants this year's type players, can't run a ball screen dominant offense.

It is either a roster construction failure or a talent recognition/schematic design failure.

One related item…..any offense at any level regardless of gender will fail when the ball goes 4-5 minutes routinely without touching the paint.

Bad shot selection.
Constantly picking up the dribble in bad locations. Zero awareness to help stranded teammates who poorly pick up their dribble.

With each game it becomes more apparent that Jada Walker's quickness was masking a ton of structural flaws.


By far the most frustrating things this year is lack of ball rotation, lack of post touches, and the fact that when anyone on the permitter has 3 inches of space, they feel they are open enough to shoot a three. If you are going to encourage players to shoot like that, you best have players who are making them at a high clip. If they miss, it's the equiilant of a turnover. Just straight up baffling. Watching the Ole Miss v LSU game right now. Both of those teams have players who appear to want to win. They are hungry, quick, and intense, especially on the defensive end. Starting to think that CNC has survived her career by inheriting talent and letting them just go out and play. The state of the program is becoming more dire with each passing week. Amazing how far the advancement made during the Mulkey era have evaporated. I didn't watch back then, but are we nearing the Hogg quality of teams?
canoso
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bawitdaball said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

BearFan33 said:

The main problem I see, and its been here since KM left town, is our teams do not appear fundamentally sound, particularly on offense. We have talent, but make the same mistakes over and over. We are sloppy with our passing, we can't consistently make lay-ups (esp thru contact), we can't inbounds the ball well, etc. Also, I can't explain why some of our players seem to regress instead of progress in their skills. Something is off in the coaching.

We remain really competitive but can't seem to get over the hump. As frustrating as the loss was last night, I'm not sure we immediately need a head coaching change, but as we have an experienced and talented team this year and we can't win a weakened B12....its alarming.


Chicken or Egg situation.

If CNC wants to run a ball screen dominant offense, she must have players who can consistently win the dribble to create.

If CNC wants this year's type players, can't run a ball screen dominant offense.

It is either a roster construction failure or a talent recognition/schematic design failure.

One related item…..any offense at any level regardless of gender will fail when the ball goes 4-5 minutes routinely without touching the paint.

Bad shot selection.
Constantly picking up the dribble in bad locations. Zero awareness to help stranded teammates who poorly pick up their dribble.

With each game it becomes more apparent that Jada Walker's quickness was masking a ton of structural flaws.


By far the most frustrating things this year is lack of ball rotation, lack of post touches, and the fact that when anyone on the permitter has 3 inches of space, they feel they are open enough to shoot a three. If you are going to encourage players to shoot like that, you best have players who are making them at a high clip. If they miss, it's the equiilant of a turnover. Just straight up baffling. Watching the Ole Miss v LSU game right now. Both of those teams have players who appear to want to win. They are hungry, quick, and intense, especially on the defensive end. Starting to think that CNC has survived her career by inheriting talent and letting them just go out and play. The state of the program is becoming more dire with each passing week. Amazing how far the advancement made during the Mulkey era have evaporated. I didn't watch back then, but are we nearing the Hogg quality of teams?

Does anyone here know whether the team regularly practices against a team of male walk-on types like CKM had her teams do? Or did I just dream hers did that?
Bear3
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Yes. The team does practice with male team. There have been pictures of this posted. Male practice team also travels with team on extended road trips.
canoso
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Bear3 said:

Yes. The team does practice with male team. There have been pictures of this posted. Male practice team also travels with team on extended road trips.

Thanks. I asked in relation to the women's not having improved one iota against full court pressure. Look at the number of BU TOs that happened in the backcourt against Tech. Practice doesn't necessarily make perfect, but surely it makes better.
 
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