N.Collens Goals for 2026-27, win the big 12 and host

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Baylorbearsupporter
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Definitely still possible if she gets the players we need out of the portal. We have no freshman coming in next year, so we have no choice but to get transfers, with losing 4 starters.


She mentions a need for, playmaking gaurds, swing players at 3, and a couple bigs.




IowaBear
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What good does hosting do? She's just gonna get bounced in the Rd 32. She's mid as **** and trending downwards.
ScottyB_The_Baylor_King
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Obviously we need to be aware that Marcalya Johnson will miss time next year due to recovery from torn ACL. It's more like will she redshirt which wouldn't shock me because torn ACL's are so hard to come from. The last thing that I would do in that situation is to rush back too quickly. They need to be smart about that situation. Or course I know that this is pending transfer portal.
Bear2393
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She is paid like a top ten coach and should perform like a top ten coach.
IowaBear
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ACL recoveries are drastically quicker than they were a decade ago. Today's athletes are just different. Obviously the recovery varies from athlete to athlete. But I wouldn't be shocked if she's back by December. Now is that worth wasting a possible RS to fully heal? I'm not sure
chorne68
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I think she is a top coach. I want to see if she is a top recruiter. Time will tell. High school recruiting has not been good.
Bear2393
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chorne68 said:

I think she is a top coach. I want to see if she is a top recruiter. Time will tell. High school recruiting has not been good.


Our team doesn't improve throughout the year, actually gets worse. Beat Duke early on and never in the game yesterday. Offense is a disaster! She has had plenty of time!
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chorne68 said:

I think she is a top coach. I want to see if she is a top recruiter. Time will tell. High school recruiting has not been good.


Lmao, my goodness
Baylorkid
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She had 5 years to recruit and hasn't done much. Other coaches has done more with less.
Gametime
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Really? I literally see no proof of that over her time here.
BubbaBear
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Yes, we beat Duke early on but what everyone forgets is that Duke had two of their best players out with injuries. Would it have been different....who knows?
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chorne68 said:

I think she is a top coach. I want to see if she is a top recruiter. Time will tell. High school recruiting has not been good.

Nikki, is that you?
drahthaar
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chorne68 said:

I think she is a top coach. I want to see if she is a top recruiter. Time will tell. High school recruiting has not been good.

Appreciate the opinion but the evidence isn't there IMO.
85bear
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These goals are low for someone making $1 million a year and a program that has won three National Championships.
Adriacus Peratuun
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The most worrisome part of hearing her speak about the program is that she has clearly morphed from being proactive to reactive.

Decide on a program strategy, decide on O and D schemes that match that strategy, recruit to those schemes, and execute.
Not overly difficult.

But she consistently fails to admit her strategy is flawed, that her schemes need updating, and her recruiting does not sync up with her schemes.

She came in with high promise but appears to be lost in the weeds with little hope of finding her way out.
BaylorBears_254
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Im just appalled that a lot of yall really thought she was going to become a great coach.

NC is an assistant coach AT BEST. She is not HC material on either level.
Adriacus Peratuun
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BaylorBears_254 said:

Im just appalled that a lot of yall really thought she was going to become a great coach.

NC is an assistant coach AT BEST. She is not HC material on either level.

You do realize that 93.4% of global hirings are based on potential and not past performance of the same type of job at the same level?

CNC "not panning out" is not an obvious result.
20/20 hind sight.

She actually started really strong.
First recruiting class on short timeline was an A+ result.
Won the B12 with a massively undermanned roster.

The problem is that she flatlined at that point while opponents grew.
She simply appears to be tactically oriented and not strategically oriented.
But to state that the result was obvious from the beginning lacks objective support.
BUatbirth
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I've said this before…CNC being "tactically oriented and not strategically oriented", I agree with. It also makes perfect sense. CNC has talked about her engineering degree, her analytical thinking. She can bury most people talking Xs and Os, can quote chapter and verse of the book…also makes sense. The problem I have seen over and over…when something doesn't go per the book, adapting "strategically", or thinking outside the box is extremely difficult. Of course there are exceptions, but those are very rare. The real question was how long, if ever, it would take this type of person to adapt to thinking "outside the box". I have yet to see CNC clear that hurdle.
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BaylorBears_254 said:

Im just appalled that a lot of yall really thought she was going to become a great coach.

NC is an assistant coach AT BEST. She is not HC material on either level.

When she came in, I immediately said that she was a "cultural" coach. Should be on a staff to help players navigate NIL, build team rapport, and be the liaison between players and the head coach. I think she is a great person who knows the game. I don't think she is HC material. She's had five years to prove me wrong. She has done nothing but cement my initial read on both her resume and her press conference. Not sure I've heard anyone say they love her coaching outside of Bickle, and that seems forever ago now.
Cfadal
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Once again, the mantra on this board is "Fire the coach." If you think her players don't like her coaching, then explain why Bella, Buggs, Jana and Kyla have stayed four years when at least three of them easily could have gone elsewhere. For those of you questioning her ability, have you ever attended a practice to observe her coaching? If not, you're making judgment based only on the results of a handful of games.

I have said before that complaints about roster construction are fair; this year's team basically had no one other than Taliah who could shoot beyond 6 feet from the hoop. Ting and Jana had their moments, but no one outside of Taliah could be counted to get a clutch basket when you needed it. Despite that, the team went into the last regular season game with the chance to win the conference, just like last year. Complain all you want about losing to TCU, which frustrates all of us, but TCU's NIL budget dwarfs ours. This year, Olivia Miles made more than our entire team. Same last year with Sedona Prince and Haley Van Lith. Give Nicki those resources, then compare. Otherwise, it's apples to oranges.

A couple of random thoughts from watching the tournament:
* LSU, with all kinds of NIL resources and at least three future WNBA players and their Hall of Fame coach and playing on their home court, advanced exactly one more round than we did, losing to the same team we did.
* End if season Duke was a far different and far better team than the one we beat in Paris.
* Olivia Miles is a great player but a world-class punk. She whines about every call against her and every one she thinks she should get.
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People are not making judgments based on just a handful of games.

Those assessments are based on 5 years worth of games/evidence.

Doesn't matter how much players love a coach. At the end of the day, college basketball is a results-driven business. And for what CNC is reportedly making ($1 million+/year), the results are definitely not there.

As for NIL, we need to stop acting like we are scraping to get by, and are digging under couch cushions for pennies.

Based on what AP mentioned in another thread (that his inside sources have confirmed that our NIL is comparable to a Top 20 program - and possibly Top 15), we should easily be a regular participant during the second weekend in March.

We've made it past the 2nd round once in 5 years.

Meanwhile, we're getting lapped by TCU, who's made consecutive Elite 8's after they were holding open tryouts just 2 years ago (23-24 season).

And now our fanbase is experiencing regular blowouts against teams we would have never imagined getting beatdowns from (Texas Tech and Colorado both ran roughshed over us).

But the main issue many of us have a problem with is that CNC struggles to make in-game adjustments once things start to go off the rails.

She's also guilty of not making adjustments when it comes to approaching games (she refused to give Nelms and Deng more playing time, when they both would have spread the floor for everyone, thus providing the help that many on here claim Scott lacked).

If CNC can't do a better job of managing personnel, and continues to make questionable decisions during critical games, then what good is more NIL going to do?

You'll still have the same problems that you're having now - just with a more expensive roster.

At the end of the day, some of us are just tired of hearing excuse after excuse being made for our underachieving coach.

5 years of mediocre results (particularly when the results seem to be getting worse with each passing year) will get any fanbase to question a coach and consider change.
Cfadal
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LTBear19 said:

People are not making judgments based on just a handful of games.

Those assessments are based on 5 years worth of games/evidence.

Doesn't matter how much players love a coach. At the end of the day, college basketball is a results-driven business. And for what CNC is reportedly making ($1 million+/year), the results are definitely not there.

As for NIL, we need to stop acting like we are scraping to get by, and are digging under couch cushions for pennies.

Based on what AP mentioned in another thread (that his inside sources have confirmed that our NIL is comparable to a Top 20 program - and possibly Top 15), we should easily be a regular participant during the second weekend in March.

We've made it past the 2nd round once in 5 years.

Meanwhile, we're getting lapped by TCU, who's made consecutive Elite 8's after they were holding open tryouts just 2 years ago (23-24 season).

And now our fanbase is experiencing regular blowouts against teams we would have never imagined getting beatdowns from (Texas Tech and Colorado both ran roughshed over us).

But the main issue many of us have a problem with is that CNC struggles to make in-game adjustments once things start to go off the rails.

She's also guilty of not making adjustments when it comes to approaching games (she refused to give Nelms and Deng more playing time, when they both would have spread the floor for everyone, thus providing the help that many on here claim Scott lacked).

If CNC can't do a better job of managing personnel, and continues to make questionable decisions during critical games, then what good is more NIL going to do?

You'll still have the same problems that you're having now - just with a more expensive roster.

At the end of the day, some of us are just tired of hearing excuse after excuse being made for our underachieving coach.

5 years of mediocre results (particularly when the results seem to be getting worse with each passing year) will get any fanbase to question a coach and consider change.


So it boils down to your definition of mediocre. A conference championship, the last two years playing for the conference title in the last game and all five years winning a first-round NCAA game says way better than mediocre to me.

Also, several of you keep talking about more minutes for Deng. First half of the season, I would agree. But she hit a wall late in the year where her shot was off and her defense not up to par. If she wasn't going to be a threat to score, her defensive shortcomings would limit her playing time. I, too, would have liked to see Kayla get more minutes.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think Nicki is a very good coach who simply needs more resources to build a better team.
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Cfadal said:

Once again, the mantra on this board is "Fire the coach." If you think her players don't like her coaching, then explain why Bella, Buggs, Jana and Kyla have stayed four years when at least three of them easily could have gone elsewhere. For those of you questioning her ability, have you ever attended a practice to observe her coaching? If not, you're making judgment based only on the results of a handful of games.

I have said before that complaints about roster construction are fair; this year's team basically had no one other than Taliah who could shoot beyond 6 feet from the hoop. Ting and Jana had their moments, but no one outside of Taliah could be counted to get a clutch basket when you needed it. Despite that, the team went into the last regular season game with the chance to win the conference, just like last year. Complain all you want about losing to TCU, which frustrates all of us, but TCU's NIL budget dwarfs ours. This year, Olivia Miles made more than our entire team. Same last year with Sedona Prince and Haley Van Lith. Give Nicki those resources, then compare. Otherwise, it's apples to oranges.

A couple of random thoughts from watching the tournament:
* LSU, with all kinds of NIL resources and at least three future WNBA players and their Hall of Fame coach and playing on their home court, advanced exactly one more round than we did, losing to the same team we did.
* End if season Duke was a far different and far better team than the one we beat in Paris.
* Olivia Miles is a great player but a world-class punk. She whines about every call against her and every one she thinks she should get.

Very well said, but sadly thoughtful, intelligent, sensible, and factual posts don't do well here. The inmates have been running this asylum for quite some time now.

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Below is Nicki Collen's record and final AP Rankings since she has been at Baylor. She finished in Top 25 in AP Poll 4 of the 5 years she has been here and won 20 + games each year she has been at Baylor. She reached the NCAA tournament every year she has been at Baylor and went to Round of 32 4 years and Sweet 16 1 year.

Here are the final AP rankings for Nicki Collen's teams from 2021 to 2026:
  • 202122: No. 7 NCAA, 287
  • 202223: Unranked NCAA, 2013
  • 202324: No. 13 NCAA, 268
  • 202425: No. 18 NCAA, 288
  • 2025-2026 No. 21 NCAA, 25-9
Is this record close to what Kim did here, of course not. Nicki definitely can improve in some areas of her coaching, but to say she is a bad/horrible coach with this record following a HOF coach is ridiculous. Maybe we could get another coach who would be better and if Nicki doesn't improve performance in big games, her seat will be getting warm. Under current state of WBB with portal and NIL we are not getting a coach who will match Kim's success. I do not think it is time to let Nicki go yet. My opinion.







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AP needs to give us the numbers for NIL and a source that can be verified. Heck I can throw out numbers and say I have an informed inside source. The history of these message boards and the media in general is that inside sources are not worth the bytes they take up unless and until they are verifiable.. It also may be that the source is well-meaning and upright but is clueless as to what other schools have available to them and as such passes along information in good faith but doesn't really ring true, but passes it along to ones like AP anyway.

A lot of assumptions are being made by everyone. A lot of arguments about the program are being based on those assumptions. I understand not wanting to provide a source, but the eye test says that if we have all this money, we are not using it, because of the players we see different between our team and others. If we saw the numbers we might all agree as to the situation, either good or bad.

Many of the other complaints are noise, based on opinion, many of which many of us do not concur with. It doesn't make any of us idiots or clowns, but people who just see things differently. Most of us can state that opinion without classless and derogatory comments directed toward the poster, but there are some here that cannot. That is what the ignore button is for.

I don't think any of us are actually experienced D1 coaches, As such, I am not going to join into the voodoo doll game of nitpicking things in games when I don't know the story behind the picture. Every player fault should not be placed at the feet of the coaching staff. I have seen the great coaches guilty of many of those same complaints. I will agree with those here who talk about the roster construction. That is valid and it may have developed out of a sense of loyalty to players who came here when things were really bleak. That is noble, but it is not business. But it is easy to understand why it was done if that is the case, but once again all we have is speculation and assumptions.....as we are not in the true loop for information on which to make a factual opinion. We now have close to a clean slate, so if that was the case, it isn't any longer. It will be easier to see a pattern. But with NIL, what you want and what you can get still clouds the outcome.

We are not bad. We are not terrible.....and neither are many of the teams that have been accused of being so on this board. We have an NCAA tournament and conference record in just the last few years that fans across the country would gladly take. Our coach is not terrible nor great or elite, but the outside world beyond this message board considers good. Baylor does not have any awe around its name or its WBB program once we lost KM. We have not been the subject of classic movies nor have a fight song that resonates with even non sports fans in the country. We play in a conference that is generally considered weaker than the other P4s. Yes, I think we could have gotten a better coach than NC if we could see how the next years would have played out. But that isn't the way it works. I'm not sure there were many that wanted to replace a legend that would have been better and there still is a significant chance we could have gotten a lot worse.

Some will accuse me and others of defending this coach. I don't care who is the coach. The coaching situation will sort itself out one way or another and we will have no say in any of it. My comments have always been in trying to see the reality of where we sit, where we got ditched when KM left and the overall situation we are in, try to see why something might have appeared as it did, and because of it try to be objective and not emotional about how things go. And none of my posts have ever demeaned the poster themselves. But....some people think that is the position of an idiot. So flame away once again. I have no doubt that you will.

LTBear19
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I may not always see eye to eye with AP when it comes to certain topics, but I'm going to out on a limb and say that he is most likely getting his information from a very reliable source.

Same as I assume that what Delmar posted about Mack thumbing his nose at the possibility of Bill Brock running the show after Mulkey left (and CNC turning down the opportunity to have him on her staff afterwards) was spot on.

Both have been regular posters on this board, and I have no reason to doubt that their information is less than credible.

Just because that info doesn't align with one's argument does not make it false.

People can be in denial all they want, but the fact remains that CNC has significantly underperformed, relative to what she is being paid.

If the standard now is to simply make the tournament and beat some scrub squad in the 1st round, then you could probably get 25% of the posters on here to achieve that goal, and at a much lower cost.
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This is and has always been the problem with zbksckie. If a posters information doesn't align with what he believes to be true than it's not credible. Been that way since day 1. But his and others are if the opinion Baylor woman's Nil is horrific. So someone saying it's top 20 such as AP completely blows up his/her theory about not being able to compete financially.
Baylor's been able to land big fish in the portal. It's fairly obvious to anyone who pays attention that the lady Bears is at minimum decent
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

BaylorBears_254 said:

Im just appalled that a lot of yall really thought she was going to become a great coach.

NC is an assistant coach AT BEST. She is not HC material on either level.

You do realize that 93.4% of global hirings are based on potential and not past performance of the same type of job at the same level?

CNC "not panning out" is not an obvious result.
20/20 hind sight.

She actually started really strong.
First recruiting class on short timeline was an A+ result.
Won the B12 with a massively undermanned roster.

The problem is that she flatlined at that point while opponents grew.
She simply appears to be tactically oriented and not strategically oriented.
But to state that the result was obvious from the beginning lacks objective support.


We lost a HOF coach and went and got a unproven WNBA coach with a losing record and no ties to college ball . She never was the best hire. It was always a low-budget, low risk, with high hopes of a high reward. It did not take a rocket scientist to see the type of coach she was. I was giving her grace with her struggles due to family not being close, but she never truly impressed me.

Go back to my post from the VERY beginning, Ive hit it on the head with just about everything. She benefited from the roster that stayed the first year, second year as well. Her getting Bella and Buggs was great; however, neither truly improved throughout their time here.

Which is why i stated she is an assistant coach at best. Im standing by that.

She needs to revamp EVERYTHING, because we could be looking at one of the worst years ever next year.
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BUatbirth said:

I've said this before…CNC being "tactically oriented and not strategically oriented", I agree with. It also makes perfect sense. CNC has talked about her engineering degree, her analytical thinking. She can bury most people talking Xs and Os, can quote chapter and verse of the book…also makes sense. The problem I have seen over and over…when something doesn't go per the book, adapting "strategically", or thinking outside the box is extremely difficult. Of course there are exceptions, but those are very rare. The real question was how long, if ever, it would take this type of person to adapt to thinking "outside the box". I have yet to see CNC clear that hurdle.


Agree on the X&O/engineering comp.

IT or O&G startups run by folks with technical backgrounds (before an IPO) face investors who require onboarding finance, accounting, legal, personnel, regulatory, etc. folks to clean up the mess. The technical stuff can be great but it doesn't equate to a solid business.

Like you point out, CNC is much akin to an engineer, programmer or geologist who desperately needs an accountant, lawyer, etc. to take her concepts and make them business functional.
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Bear2393 said:

She is paid like a top ten coach and should perform like a top ten coach.

Oh, be careful to not say this on the Men's Basketball site...
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Before we go to crazy on Kim vs CNC:

Kim won the conference 1 time in her first 9 years, and that was a National Championship team. That buys her a lot of credit for that team.

I would also argue that the league is much more competitively deep that it was 20 years ago, especially with the lopsided NIL environment.

That doesnt minimize Kim at all. She was fantastic for the program and the school.
Won a national title in year 5.

But I am also not ready to write off Nicki. She is extremely knowledgeable, he players seem to really love playing for her and she seems to have brought in some pretty good assistants. The question is the portal...thats basically 90% of the game today...who can build the best talent year to year.

We will see...but I would love to see her be successful.
LTBear19
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You should probably consider where each program was at when both coaches took the reins.

In Kim's case, she was inheriting a program that was coming off of a losing season and had not sniffed the NCAA's.

We were just happy to make the NIT back in the late 90's. Many of us on here were around during that time and can attest to that.

Outside of the 2002-2003 season, which was essentially a rebuild year after Crockrom and Lambert departed, Kim's teams continued to improve year over over (1st Rd, 2nd Rd, Sweet 16, NC).

The stretch in between Final 4's (2006-09) were the dominant OU years, when the Paris twins were running the league. Despite OU's dominance, Kim still managed to win the conference tournament title and made the Sweet 16 twice.

But even if she didn't achieve those results, I think that winning a national title earns you some leeway for a few years.

The 2009-10 season was the beginning of a 12-year run of either winning the conference title or making deep runs in the NCAA's.

Now let's compare those results to CNC's results.

CNC inherited a team with 2 future WNBA players in NaLyssa Smith and Queen Egbo (both seniors). Bickle was a solid player as well. And then you had Jordan Lewis, Sarah Andrews, and Jaden Owens as your guards.

That's a pretty good foundation to start your coaching career with. Contrary to popular belief, the cupboard wasn't completely bare, and that team should have easily made the Sweet 16 (and probably the Elite 8, given our draw that year). In fact, we would have had a legitimate shot at the Final 4, as both Michigan and Louisville were beatable.

And what does CNC do with that group?

She wins the Big XII regular season title, and then promptly gets bounced in the NCAA's by South Dakota, of all teams (and at home, mind you).

That should have been the first hint that we were likely gonna be in for a VERY bumpy ride over the next few years.

And outside of the 2023-24 season, where we took advantage of a VA Tech team without its best player (Kitley), things have pretty much gone downhill since.

While CNC didn't walk into an ideal situation, she was still given the keys to a very good, reliable vehicle.

And she's managed to wreck it in 5 years time.

Kim has her faults, but she definitely overachieved during her early years. Texas, OU, Tech and ISU were all established programs at that time, and she had to overcome all of them to take charge in the Big XII.

By comparison, CNC has massively underachieved.

Plain and simple.
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