Kristy

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WasheFuzzy said:

Let's hear it for Juicy's performance. I think Juicy will be a starter the rest of her Baylor career. She is taking this opportunity to show her stuff. Great game by her.
Yes, and she will only get better with time. She will learn to cut down on turnovers. She can already get to the rim almost whenever she wants. She'll learn to become a better finisher. I liked a lot of what I saw from her last night. I hope she'll really rise to the occasion. But I confess I'm still feeling a bit numb from Wallace's injury. That's a blow.
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Couple of things I saw: excruciating pain: complete tears tend to be relatively pain-free. Partial tears are the opposite. When she went down, she grabbed her leg below the knee, and bent the leg at the knee, pulling the leg toward her. I'd think this would not be the case if she had a complete ACL tear.

My first thought was a patellar tendon tear. But we'll have to see from the MRI. Either case, my guess is she's done for the year. Tragic.
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1975bear said:

ladybears4eva said:

She is crucial.
This is awful. Im so devastated.
I dont think we have a chance without her
Sure we have a chance. Not a good one, but a chance. That's all we can ask at this point. Chin up!

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Kristy, You are close in our hearts and prayers.
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HoustonBear15 said:


What an inspiration this young woman is. She may not have the numbers of some past players, but put her in my top 5 players who have ever played for Baylor. At this point I don't really care how it affects the team, I just want this not to be too serious of an injury so that she can get the chance to finish the season her way.

When BG went down last season it looked much worse that what Wallace experienced, but that doesn't mean that it was. I was convinced that her season was over, but BG put in an incredible amount of work and got back on the court to finish the season. I hope for the best for Kristy. If this is a season-ending injury, it certainly is not a career-ending injury. This girl is tough as nails and I have no doubt will put in whatever rehab is required to get back on the court.
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WrestlingDad said:

Why was Kristi's knee not iced when she came back out?


I was wondering the exact same thing.
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For those who didn't see the game or video--Kristy stood up unassisted, realized she couldn't put weight on her leg, then power hopped on her good leg the entire length of the court, past the BU bench and straight into the locker room with staff running behind her. That young lady has the heart of a lion.
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Yeah, I got smoked on the in game thread about not being able to go to a FF without KW. You expect Mulkey and the whole team to have the attitude of champions. That's who we are. Now reality is going to set in. Without the engine that makes the motor run, our chances of going to a FF just went from about 90% to maybe 40%. This team is that good. But the one thing KW brings to everything is really almost everything: game management, QB the offense, inspiration, great leader, great shooter. When a game comes down to a couple possessions she is the one who is guaranteed to make the shot or the assist and you have confidence that she can and will do it... not every time but almost. When you add the pressure like we had vs. Oregon St. two years ago when you know we were the better team but the nerves caught up with em and we laid an egg.

This is exactly the scenario without KW, because she is a senior and those moments she thrives on. Who else on this team can bring that? I'll probably get blasted for this post, but that is the reality when your whole team is decimated and thin. You absolutely had to have KW to make everybody else better and to have the energy in a close game to play through the pain and tiredness which is what the tourney will bring on.

In reality, and hindsight is always 20/20, don't you rest your team a bit cuz in the greater scheme of things that game last night meant nothing in terms of a chance at a FF. So they go undefeated in the big12. Would you rather have that or a FF appearance. That may be what CKM is thinking about this morning in spite of the BRING IT ON comments. Just sayin' it wasn't worth it although when I look back at the play there did seem to be some slippage and if there was moisture on the floor there is nothing you can do about it.

I;m like everybody else here in that I'm praying God can heal KW at least by the sweet sixteen. I think we get there without her. But a 3 or 4 seed will be a dogfight without her and I really think that with her we are almost a lock for a FF. So I'm gonna keep praying cuz it somehow works for me.
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The longhorns must be feeling pretty good now. Karen may finally get her first championship of any kind in the B12 in the tournament. Let's not let that happen..
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Paging Blake Griffin's Dr.
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That video made my day. I assumed she wasn't able to cut the net.
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wuzzy bear said:

Yeah, I got smoked on the in game thread about not being able to go to a FF without KW. You expect Mulkey and the whole team to have the attitude of champions. That's who we are. Now reality is going to set in. Without the engine that makes the motor run, our chances of going to a FF just went from about 90% to maybe 40%. This team is that good. But the one thing KW brings to everything is really almost everything: game management, QB the offense, inspiration, great leader, great shooter. When a game comes down to a couple possessions she is the one who is guaranteed to make the shot or the assist and you have confidence that she can and will do it... not every time but almost. When you add the pressure like we had vs. Oregon St. two years ago when you know we were the better team but the nerves caught up with em and we laid an egg.

This is exactly the scenario without KW, because she is a senior and those moments she thrives on. Who else on this team can bring that? I'll probably get blasted for this post, but that is the reality when your whole team is decimated and thin. You absolutely had to have KW to make everybody else better and to have the energy in a close game to play through the pain and tiredness which is what the tourney will bring on.

In reality, and hindsight is always 20/20, don't you rest your team a bit cuz in the greater scheme of things that game last night meant nothing in terms of a chance at a FF. So they go undefeated in the big12. Would you rather have that or a FF appearance. That may be what CKM is thinking about this morning in spite of the BRING IT ON comments. Just sayin' it wasn't worth it although when I look back at the play there did seem to be some slippage and if there was moisture on the floor there is nothing you can do about it.

I;m like everybody else here in that I'm praying God can heal KW at least by the sweet sixteen. I think we get there without her. But a 3 or 4 seed will be a dogfight without her and I really think that with her we are almost a lock for a FF. So I'm gonna keep praying cuz it somehow works for me.


"Rest the team" or not, Kristy would have played a lot last night. And if she was playing, she would have been playing all-out, because that's what she does. I don't get how anyone can say that CKM hurt the team last night.
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mlb60 said:

wuzzy bear said:

Yeah, I got smoked on the in game thread about not being able to go to a FF without KW. You expect Mulkey and the whole team to have the attitude of champions. That's who we are. Now reality is going to set in. Without the engine that makes the motor run, our chances of going to a FF just went from about 90% to maybe 40%. This team is that good. But the one thing KW brings to everything is really almost everything: game management, QB the offense, inspiration, great leader, great shooter. When a game comes down to a couple possessions she is the one who is guaranteed to make the shot or the assist and you have confidence that she can and will do it... not every time but almost. When you add the pressure like we had vs. Oregon St. two years ago when you know we were the better team but the nerves caught up with em and we laid an egg.

This is exactly the scenario without KW, because she is a senior and those moments she thrives on. Who else on this team can bring that? I'll probably get blasted for this post, but that is the reality when your whole team is decimated and thin. You absolutely had to have KW to make everybody else better and to have the energy in a close game to play through the pain and tiredness which is what the tourney will bring on.

In reality, and hindsight is always 20/20, don't you rest your team a bit cuz in the greater scheme of things that game last night meant nothing in terms of a chance at a FF. So they go undefeated in the big12. Would you rather have that or a FF appearance. That may be what CKM is thinking about this morning in spite of the BRING IT ON comments. Just sayin' it wasn't worth it although when I look back at the play there did seem to be some slippage and if there was moisture on the floor there is nothing you can do about it.

I;m like everybody else here in that I'm praying God can heal KW at least by the sweet sixteen. I think we get there without her. But a 3 or 4 seed will be a dogfight without her and I really think that with her we are almost a lock for a FF. So I'm gonna keep praying cuz it somehow works for me.


"Rest the team" or not, Kristy would have played a lot last night. And if she was playing, she would have been playing all-out, because that's what she does. I don't get how anyone can say that CKM hurt the team last night.
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mlb60 said:

wuzzy bear said:

Yeah, I got smoked on the in game thread about not being able to go to a FF without KW. You expect Mulkey and the whole team to have the attitude of champions. That's who we are. Now reality is going to set in. Without the engine that makes the motor run, our chances of going to a FF just went from about 90% to maybe 40%. This team is that good. But the one thing KW brings to everything is really almost everything: game management, QB the offense, inspiration, great leader, great shooter. When a game comes down to a couple possessions she is the one who is guaranteed to make the shot or the assist and you have confidence that she can and will do it... not every time but almost. When you add the pressure like we had vs. Oregon St. two years ago when you know we were the better team but the nerves caught up with em and we laid an egg.

This is exactly the scenario without KW, because she is a senior and those moments she thrives on. Who else on this team can bring that? I'll probably get blasted for this post, but that is the reality when your whole team is decimated and thin. You absolutely had to have KW to make everybody else better and to have the energy in a close game to play through the pain and tiredness which is what the tourney will bring on.

In reality, and hindsight is always 20/20, don't you rest your team a bit cuz in the greater scheme of things that game last night meant nothing in terms of a chance at a FF. So they go undefeated in the big12. Would you rather have that or a FF appearance. That may be what CKM is thinking about this morning in spite of the BRING IT ON comments. Just sayin' it wasn't worth it although when I look back at the play there did seem to be some slippage and if there was moisture on the floor there is nothing you can do about it.

I;m like everybody else here in that I'm praying God can heal KW at least by the sweet sixteen. I think we get there without her. But a 3 or 4 seed will be a dogfight without her and I really think that with her we are almost a lock for a FF. So I'm gonna keep praying cuz it somehow works for me.


"Rest the team" or not, Kristy would have played a lot last night. And if she was playing, she would have been playing all-out, because that's what she does. I don't get how anyone can say that CKM hurt the team last night.
This ^^^.

First off, you don't rest your starters last night -- certainly not while the game is still in doubt. The conference title, which we'd already locked up, wasn't the issue. We are playing for a #1 seed in the NCAAT. Lose to a good WV team last night on our home floor, and the No. 1 seed is at risk. And WVU was very much in the game when Kristy got hurt.

Second, this injury could have happened at any point in the game. As you note, Kristy goes all out, all the time, which is part of what makes her an extension of Mulkey on the floor. She was all-out hustling when she got hurt. That injury could have happened in the first minute of the game. The only way to have avoided it last night was to keep Kristy on the bench for all 40 minutes.

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I'm no doctor, but I would guess a knee structural injury is something that is building up over time waiting for any number of catalysts to cause the injury to occur. Whether or not it was the 2nd quarter of last night's game or the first quarter of an opening round game against a 15th or 16th seeded sister of the poor, it probably was going to happen. If so, resting or not resting is a worthless question. The caveat to that statement is that if it was the possibility of a slick floor causing a freak injury. Not sure that was the case however, as she had slipped chasing someone down on the other end of the court earlier in the game.

Concerning our chances going forward. I won't discount them one way or another. And in the case of Wallace, many of her contributions to the team will still be there whether it is on the court or on the bench being the chief cheerleader or in her case motivator. I doubt she will refrain from calling players out for not enough hustle or such if that comes to be the case.

Our replacements are not scrubs. Some of them are quicker than Wallace, and some can be better shooters. What they lack may be the better ability to score under the basket from whatever angle. It is to be determined whether or not they have the heart. Without her, there is bound to be a drop-off at least in the short term. I am not convinced however that the drop-off if it occurs is going to be to the extent believed by some posters. I suspect the other starters will also step it up a notch to keep any drop-off to a minimum. You fight for your own who can't fight. I think that is the type of players we have.
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wuzzy bear said:

Yeah, I got smoked on the in game thread about not being able to go to a FF without KW. You expect Mulkey and the whole team to have the attitude of champions. That's who we are. Now reality is going to set in. Without the engine that makes the motor run, our chances of going to a FF just went from about 90% to maybe 40%. This team is that good. But the one thing KW brings to everything is really almost everything: game management, QB the offense, inspiration, great leader, great shooter. When a game comes down to a couple possessions she is the one who is guaranteed to make the shot or the assist and you have confidence that she can and will do it... not every time but almost. When you add the pressure like we had vs. Oregon St. two years ago when you know we were the better team but the nerves caught up with em and we laid an egg.

This is exactly the scenario without KW, because she is a senior and those moments she thrives on. Who else on this team can bring that? I'll probably get blasted for this post, but that is the reality when your whole team is decimated and thin. You absolutely had to have KW to make everybody else better and to have the energy in a close game to play through the pain and tiredness which is what the tourney will bring on.

In reality, and hindsight is always 20/20, don't you rest your team a bit cuz in the greater scheme of things that game last night meant nothing in terms of a chance at a FF. So they go undefeated in the big12. Would you rather have that or a FF appearance. That may be what CKM is thinking about this morning in spite of the BRING IT ON comments. Just sayin' it wasn't worth it although when I look back at the play there did seem to be some slippage and if there was moisture on the floor there is nothing you can do about it.

I;m like everybody else here in that I'm praying God can heal KW at least by the sweet sixteen. I think we get there without her. But a 3 or 4 seed will be a dogfight without her and I really think that with her we are almost a lock for a FF. So I'm gonna keep praying cuz it somehow works for me.
I think your estimate of our chances of getting to the Final Four with Wallace was a bit generous. Don't get me wrong: I liked this team's chances. Still do. But 90%? Only UConn would I give a 90% chance.

With Kristy, I'd have put our chances at more like 50%. Assuming we hold onto a No. 1 seed, there are going to be some very dangerous No. 2s out there. South Carolina. Either ND or Louisville. Either Oregon or a UCLA team that already showed it can beat us. And of course Texas. (It would be just like the NCAA selection committee to put Texas in our bracket so that we'd have to beat them at least 3 times in the same season -- maybe 4 if we meet and defeat them in the Big XII tourney. Remember the year they did that to us and the Aggettes when both teams really should have been No. 1s? It's awfully hard to beat a very good team 3 times, even if you are actually better than them.)

Without Kristy, our chances are definitely diminished -- but not because there's such a dropoff in pure talent. Juicy can play. She can't QB the defense (yet) like Kristy. There's a big dropoff in experience, and it will hurt our depth, even after Chou comes back. We still got a helluva team.

Know what I think broke WVU's back last night? Lauren Cox hitting 3s like it was shooting practice. If she can remain a consistent threat from here out, it will help offset the loss of Wallace a bit by stretching defenses and creating more space for Kalani Brown.
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Told you I would get cold-cocked on here, but whatever. KW is the reason we were going to the FF this year after being ONE game away for 4 straight years. You can sub and switch talent, but she takes it to a whole new level by adding game mgmt skills, situational skills, etc. Without her it makes our possessions look more one-on-one type B-Ball. This may sound crazy, but she means as much to this team as Jordan did to the Bulls.

You can't replace her experience or her leadership although they will try because as Mulkey said BRING IT! Unfortunately, they are going to bring it and at least one game will come down to a final possession or two and I might rather have KW in there on one leg, metaphorically speaking.

This is going to come down to a miracle and if anyone deserves it, it is KW. When she was a freshman I had no idea she would turn out to be this good and tough. Credit Mulkey. She can coach. I didn't even really care about womens B-ball before Griner and Sims. But the athletes just keep getting better. Kristy's game is comparable to Devonte Graham at Kansas. She has all the moves, all the shots, she creates, and she is unselfish. YOU CANNOT REPLACE THAT IN A FF. Just my take and I would love to eat those words, but I wouldn't count this team out at all. I just cannot see us beating a UCONN without KW and really at BU womens bball all we are thinking is NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Her game allows everybody else to be better and make a run at it. Without her, teams will take away Kalani and go one on one with the guards and that will be advantage opponent purely from an experience level because the talent will be about equal from the sweet 16 on.
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When will we know the diagnosis? Wonder if they already know and are just waiting to release it. I'd be ecstatic if they said she'd be out 4 weeks with a hyperextension. They hurt like heck, but they are recoverable with round the clock treatment. That would mean she'd be available IF we got to a FF, but seriously doubt the weekend before. That is something I am hoping happens.
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wuzzy bear said:

Told you I would get cold-cocked on here, but whatever. KW is the reason we were going to the FF this year after being ONE game away for 4 straight years. You can sub and switch talent, but she takes it to a whole new level by adding game mgmt skills, situational skills, etc. Without her it makes our possessions look more one-on-one type B-Ball. This may sound crazy, but she means as much to this team as Jordan did to the Bulls.

You can't replace her experience or her leadership although they will try because as Mulkey said BRING IT! Unfortunately, they are going to bring it and at least one game will come down to a final possession or two and I might rather have KW in there on one leg, metaphorically speaking.

This is going to come down to a miracle and if anyone deserves it, it is KW. When she was a freshman I had no idea she would turn out to be this good and tough. Credit Mulkey. She can coach. I didn't even really care about womens B-ball before Griner and Sims. But the athletes just keep getting better. Kristy's game is comparable to Devonte Graham at Kansas. She has all the moves, all the shots, she creates, and she is unselfish. YOU CANNOT REPLACE THAT IN A FF. Just my take and I would love to eat those words, but I wouldn't count this team out at all. I just cannot see us beating a UCONN without KW and really at BU womens bball all we are thinking is NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Her game allows everybody else to be better and make a run at it. Without her, teams will take away Kalani and go one on one with the guards and that will be advantage opponent purely from an experience level because the talent will be about equal from the sweet 16 on.
Nobody as far as I can tell disagrees with your assessment of what having Kristy on the floor means to this team. You're getting hammered for the implication that Mulkey somehow could have avoided this injury.

What would you have done? Sat Wallace out for the 2nd half? She got injured early in the 2nd quarter.

Sat her out for the entire game? Against a tough team that almost always pushes us to the limit? You don't remember them beating us in Waco? Or in the conference tournament?

What would you be saying if Mulkey had rested Wallace for the entire game, and then we lost the game and perhaps our No. 1 seed?

If you're going to blame somebody, you might as well blame Kristy for hustling so hard. The very quality that makes her such a special player is what got her hurt.
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Kristy fell to the floor early in the game and I would not be surprised if that fall may have affected the strength of her ligament which weakened it to the extent that when she planted her leg the second time the ligament gave way.
However,
I am absolutely speculating and know nothing of the actual extent of her injury.

Regardless it was a freak unfortunate turn that could in no way have been anticipated or expected.

Kristy has always wore knee pad sleeves on her knees. So some protection was there.
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bubbadog said:

wuzzy bear said:

Told you I would get cold-cocked on here, but whatever. KW is the reason we were going to the FF this year after being ONE game away for 4 straight years. You can sub and switch talent, but she takes it to a whole new level by adding game mgmt skills, situational skills, etc. Without her it makes our possessions look more one-on-one type B-Ball. This may sound crazy, but she means as much to this team as Jordan did to the Bulls.

You can't replace her experience or her leadership although they will try because as Mulkey said BRING IT! Unfortunately, they are going to bring it and at least one game will come down to a final possession or two and I might rather have KW in there on one leg, metaphorically speaking.

This is going to come down to a miracle and if anyone deserves it, it is KW. When she was a freshman I had no idea she would turn out to be this good and tough. Credit Mulkey. She can coach. I didn't even really care about womens B-ball before Griner and Sims. But the athletes just keep getting better. Kristy's game is comparable to Devonte Graham at Kansas. She has all the moves, all the shots, she creates, and she is unselfish. YOU CANNOT REPLACE THAT IN A FF. Just my take and I would love to eat those words, but I wouldn't count this team out at all. I just cannot see us beating a UCONN without KW and really at BU womens bball all we are thinking is NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Her game allows everybody else to be better and make a run at it. Without her, teams will take away Kalani and go one on one with the guards and that will be advantage opponent purely from an experience level because the talent will be about equal from the sweet 16 on.
Nobody as far as I can tell disagrees with your assessment of what having Kristy on the floor means to this team. You're getting hammered for the implication that Mulkey somehow could have avoided this injury.

What would you have done? Sat Wallace out for the 2nd half? She got injured early in the 2nd quarter.

Sat her out for the entire game? Against a tough team that almost always pushes us to the limit? You don't remember them beating us in Waco? Or in the conference tournament?

What would you be saying if Mulkey had rested Wallace for the entire game, and then we lost the game and perhaps our No. 1 seed?

If you're going to blame somebody, you might as well blame Kristy for hustling so hard. The very quality that makes her such a special player is what got her hurt.
I cold cocked him because he didn't say that we had a 40 percent chance of making the Final Four in the game thread. He said we had a 0 percent chance of making the Final Four. I told him to jump off the bandwagon if he truly thought the season was absolutely positively over. Now today he says 40 percent.

I thought it was sad and pathetic that while the game was still going on last night, he was packing up the season and saying that we were done. Sorry I hurt his feelings.
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I like this team's chances at a Final Four much, much better with Wallace than without. She has been the type of player that, when the team gets into a bind and needs something to happen, she has been the one to take it on her shoulders and come up with big plays.

However, what has impressed me all year is that so many players have stepped up when we needed them to. Many times that meant Wallace. But she had a few games where she struggled, and someone else picked up the slack. Someone has come up big every single game, and they are all playing with confidence. Who wills us to victory now? I think it's Cohen, followed by Juicy. Cox and Brown more than likely will take turns putting in dominant performances. A few key, gutsy plays down the stretch from our freshman and hopefully Chou...the sky's the limit.

This team showed last night just how much heart they have. And I just bet we still get an extra spark from that spunky, blonde Australian lady acting as an extra assistant coach, cheerleader, water girl, or whatever else the team could possibly need in a pinch.
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praying for Kristi also; she deserves the best; has been playing like an All American this season.
This team is different than some of the past teams(last year). They are not afraid to shoot the ball.
Confidence, skill, and heart are in this team. Poised but not afraid to take it to the competition.
No hesitation in this bunch; don't count them out.
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To spare me reading this entire thread can someone summarize the extent of her injury, if known at this time?

TIA.
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marco said:

To spare me reading this entire thread can someone summarize the extent of her injury, if known at this time?

TIA.
Hasn't been publicly disclosed. Translation......we don't know.
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Praying for the best news possible.
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marco said:

To spare me reading this entire thread can someone summarize the extent of her injury, if known at this time?

TIA.
BAD
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Im holding out hope, for Kristy's sake, that it's not an ACL injury. I don't care how it affects our chances of getting to a FF, I just don't want her to have that extent of an injury. It's all about her right now. We have some very talented young ladies on this team who will rise to the occasion.
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Exspect news thursday. I'm going to expect positive news.
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Relax everybody.......we got Mulkey. I'll let any of you that say the Lady Bears "can't" go to the Final Four without Wallace tell that to her face. If you do, come back and let us know your perspective after getting a Mulkey attitude adjustment.
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Can they put a brace on it and let her play?
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Now I'm crying.
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Totally agree. She'll help coach alright. Every time they sit down , she'll have something to say
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Women's knee ligaments are TEN times weaker than men's knee ligament, a fact of nature. Prayers fro Krisy.
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