So DiDi ran the point and had 11 assists and only I turnover playing 33 minutes but in your opinion she and offense was terrible?
so do you consider OSU a good team and did they play good defense at times? did we not just miss some shots we usually make? Did Didi do a good job at point? anyone you think available to play better than Didi? if so who would that be?Adriacus Peratuun said:
The team scored 70. Almost 1/2 of that total was tradition buckets. The half court offense averaged less than 10 points per quarter.
That average is poor. It is possible to break offensive performance down into the constituent sub parts and evaluate each part individually.
OSU is an adequate D team. They did what every team does against Baylor WBB in half court, they play zone or sagging man and clog the paint. Didi was good given how the D schemed. But the point is that the D is able to scheme to leave her alone at the top. Watch where her defender closes on her......FT line extended.Eball said:so do you consider OSU a good team and did they play good defense at times? did we not just miss some shots we usually make? Did Didi do a good job at point? anyone you think available to play better than Didi? if so who would that be?Adriacus Peratuun said:
The team scored 70. Almost 1/2 of that total was tradition buckets. The half court offense averaged less than 10 points per quarter.
That average is poor. It is possible to break offensive performance down into the constituent sub parts and evaluate each part individually.
Well.......yes you can. Every single NBA team tracks efficiency at the most minute levels. Transition [left, right, middle], secondary transition, half court O is every single set, every shot from every spot on the floor by every player in every action, etc. Every player receives numerical grades on every aspect of their game, on every shot from every spot on the floor, on every O "recognition". Players are instructed which shots they are "allowed" to take given the shot clock. That is why you see players take a shot at 5 on the shot clock and pass up the exact same shot minutes later when the shot clock is at 18.Chibears2 said:
Besides which, transition buckets ARE a part of the game. Can't just pull out that offense so you can say what's left sucks. And everyone of those transition buckets replaces an opportunity for half court offense, so who knows how those opportunities play out? You can't just automatically apply the percentage of efficient half court possessions as they stand and assume we'd still struggle. The more a team runs offense against a defense, the more clear the defensive approach becomes and the better the coaching staff can break down the defense and develop some strategies for attacking its weaknesses. It is obvious we are not an offensive machine in the offensive half court, but neither are we as sucky as your posts seem to imply. (And yes, sometimes numbers DO lie!). And if we can score running a transition basket down the opponent's throat, I'll chose to celebrate it. Demoralizes the opponent, saps their energy, and can't defense against it...opponents have to change their offensive approach, and that impacts them mentally and execution-wise and disrupts the flow. A deadly trickle down effect.
Your not going to get those easy transition buckets in the sweet 16, elite 8 or final 4. If that is a high % of your offense and your half court game stalls or is stimmed by the oppositions defensive adjustments because your point guard cannot create ......what are you gonna do ??? WATCH THE NEXT ROUND ON TV most likelyAdriacus Peratuun said:Well.......yes you can. Every single NBA team tracks efficiency at the most minute levels. Transition [left, right, middle], secondary transition, half court O is every single set, every shot from every spot on the floor by every player in every action, etc. Every player receives numerical grades on every aspect of their game, on every shot from every spot on the floor, on every O "recognition". Players are instructed which shots they are "allowed" to take given the shot clock. That is why you see players take a shot at 5 on the shot clock and pass up the exact same shot minutes later when the shot clock is at 18.Chibears2 said:
Besides which, transition buckets ARE a part of the game. Can't just pull out that offense so you can say what's left sucks. And everyone of those transition buckets replaces an opportunity for half court offense, so who knows how those opportunities play out? You can't just automatically apply the percentage of efficient half court possessions as they stand and assume we'd still struggle. The more a team runs offense against a defense, the more clear the defensive approach becomes and the better the coaching staff can break down the defense and develop some strategies for attacking its weaknesses. It is obvious we are not an offensive machine in the offensive half court, but neither are we as sucky as your posts seem to imply. (And yes, sometimes numbers DO lie!). And if we can score running a transition basket down the opponent's throat, I'll chose to celebrate it. Demoralizes the opponent, saps their energy, and can't defense against it...opponents have to change their offensive approach, and that impacts them mentally and execution-wise and disrupts the flow. A deadly trickle down effect.
Championship teams don't fixate on their strengths but on fixing their weaknesses. Half Court O is this team's weakness.
Ask Coach Mulkey how poor Half Court O limits a team's Tourney path when pushed into a half court efficiency game [see two Oregon St. Elite 8 matchups]. Teams can take away transition by slowing the game, avoiding live ball turnovers, automatically rotating at least 3 [or 4] back on transition D, etc.
Teams that lose unexpectedly do so due to holes in their games [inability to handle full court pressure, inability to execute in an efficiency game, etc.]. Fortunately [or unfortunately depending on perspective], everyone in WBB knows Baylor WBB's weakness. Either it gets fixed or the team gets bounced the 2nd Weekend of the Tourney.
I definitely wish DiDi had more range on her shots...I just get frustrated with the sometimes overly harsh criticism of her efforts running the point at a hall of fame coaches direction...This is certainly not the first time we have had a point guard who was not a shooter per se...while we have some possibilities of some who could shoot the 3 they are young inexperienced and may or may not cause us defensive and TO issues. I trust Kim that she knows best and I just think DiDi has done remarkably well...whether we win it all or just win conference again and make it a few rounds that still is pretty darn good....we are all so spoiled to expect a National Championship every year....Adriacus Peratuun said:OSU is an adequate D team. They did what every team does against Baylor WBB in half court, they play zone or sagging man and clog the paint. Didi was good given how the D schemed. But the point is that the D is able to scheme to leave her alone at the top. Watch where her defender closes on her......FT line extended.Eball said:so do you consider OSU a good team and did they play good defense at times? did we not just miss some shots we usually make? Did Didi do a good job at point? anyone you think available to play better than Didi? if so who would that be?Adriacus Peratuun said:
The team scored 70. Almost 1/2 of that total was tradition buckets. The half court offense averaged less than 10 points per quarter.
That average is poor. It is possible to break offensive performance down into the constituent sub parts and evaluate each part individually.
I don't think the criticism has been overly harsh. Actually, I think it has been quite civil and balanced by the vast majority of folks.Eball said:I definitely wish DiDi had more range on her shots...I just get frustrated with the sometimes overly harsh criticism of her efforts running the point at a hall of fame coaches direction...This is certainly not the first time we have had a point guard who was not a shooter per se...while we have some possibilities of some who could shoot the 3 they are young inexperienced and may or may not cause us defensive and TO issues. I trust Kim that she knows best and I just think DiDi has done remarkably well...whether we win it all or just win conference again and make it a few rounds that still is pretty darn good....we are all so spoiled to expect a National Championship every year....Adriacus Peratuun said:OSU is an adequate D team. They did what every team does against Baylor WBB in half court, they play zone or sagging man and clog the paint. Didi was good given how the D schemed. But the point is that the D is able to scheme to leave her alone at the top. Watch where her defender closes on her......FT line extended.Eball said:so do you consider OSU a good team and did they play good defense at times? did we not just miss some shots we usually make? Did Didi do a good job at point? anyone you think available to play better than Didi? if so who would that be?Adriacus Peratuun said:
The team scored 70. Almost 1/2 of that total was tradition buckets. The half court offense averaged less than 10 points per quarter.
That average is poor. It is possible to break offensive performance down into the constituent sub parts and evaluate each part individually.