I always got the sense they were cordial but not particularly close. Mostly because they didn't seem to talk about each other that much. Knowing Drew you would expect him to be constantly singing mulkey's praises if they were close.
This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
I never said/typed that they competed against each other. Read the post again, carefully this time.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
WHAT?zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
So you don't think Lowe's and Home Depot compete against each other? Because that was the analogy you used, not me.zunooreo said:I never said/typed that they competed against each other. Read the post again, carefully this time.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
Sic'em
Might also add that Mulkey rarely held her "paw" up during the singing of the school song while standing along side her players.MattyIce said:WHAT?zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
You support each other, that is what you do as a head coach, you support other head coaches at your school...
I saw Dave Aranda at the Final Four and National Championship in Indianapolis. (to the best of my knowledge all other sports were in season the first of April)
I have seen Scott Drew at the Womens National Championship
I remember seeing Matt Rhule in the Bear Pit
I did not see Kim Mulkey at the Mens Final Four or National Championship game.....
You don't understand the analogy. I can understand how you don't, as you've probably never held senior positions at large companies.Mitch Henessey said:So you don't think Lowe's and Home Depot compete against each other? Because that was the analogy you used, not me.zunooreo said:I never said/typed that they competed against each other. Read the post again, carefully this time.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
Sic'em
Seems like your analogy skills are as lacking as your tourney predictions.
4 National Titles (and about 30 NCAA tournament appearances) between them means I don't really care if they were best friends or not.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
How is it a personal attack to point out the objective fact that you used a poor analogy or that you showed zero predictive ability in your basketball tournament prognostications?zunooreo said:You don't understand the analogy. I can understand how you don't, as you've probably never held senior positions at large companies.Mitch Henessey said:So you don't think Lowe's and Home Depot compete against each other? Because that was the analogy you used, not me.zunooreo said:I never said/typed that they competed against each other. Read the post again, carefully this time.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
Sic'em
Seems like your analogy skills are as lacking as your tourney predictions.
Let me try to help: At their size/prestige, neither one wakes up and drives each one of their days strategizing against the other. They focus on running their own businesses better, and improving the results/bottom line of it. Not acting for/on the demise of the other. They both simply compete for the same pool of market (attention / money / respect / etc.).
But, hey, you stay you and keep personally attacking others with a different viewpoint than your own.
Sic'em
I got your analogy, and I starred you up.zunooreo said:You don't understand the analogy. I can understand how you don't, as you've probably never held senior positions at large companies.Mitch Henessey said:So you don't think Lowe's and Home Depot compete against each other? Because that was the analogy you used, not me.zunooreo said:I never said/typed that they competed against each other. Read the post again, carefully this time.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
Sic'em
Seems like your analogy skills are as lacking as your tourney predictions.
Let me try to help: At their size/prestige, neither one wakes up and drives each one of their days strategizing against the other. They focus on running their own businesses better, and improving the results/bottom line of it. Not acting for/on the demise of the other. They both simply compete for the same pool of market (attention / money / respect / etc.).
But, hey, you stay you and keep personally attacking others with a different viewpoint than your own.
Sic'em
This is a major problem with Baylor fans: acting like one has to choose to be a fan of either the WBB program or the MBB program.Method Man said:I got your analogy and I starred you up.zunooreo said:You don't understand the analogy. I can understand how you don't, as you've probably never held senior positions at large companies.Mitch Henessey said:So you don't think Lowe's and Home Depot compete against each other? Because that was the analogy you used, not me.zunooreo said:I never said/typed that they competed against each other. Read the post again, carefully this time.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
Sic'em
Seems like your analogy skills are as lacking as your tourney predictions.
Let me try to help: At their size/prestige, neither one wakes up and drives each one of their days strategizing against the other. They focus on running their own businesses better, and improving the results/bottom line of it. Not acting for/on the demise of the other. They both simply compete for the same pool of market (attention / money / respect / etc.).
But, hey, you stay you and keep personally attacking others with a different viewpoint than your own.
Sic'em
The Mens and Womens teams are competing for ATTENTION.
From the media, and the common fan.
This is true of any school where the Mens and Womens basketball teams are both elite.
I'm sure they both root for each other (publicly) but you don't become a millionaire coaching collegiate sports unless you are insanely competitive.
Knowing Coach Mulkey....you would be out your mind to not think that she wasn't proud of being the Coach of the premier sports program at Baylor University.
This issue IMO is that Drew views it like you do, and Mulkey viewed it like zunooreo. To her, it was a competition with men's basketball for resources, attention, media coverage, etc. This would at least seem to be the case based on her lack of acknowledgement of men's basketball achievement and the timing of her departure.Mitch Henessey said:This is a poor analogy. It'd be more like the heads for different product lines at Home Depot. Say, lumber and fixtures. They're in the same org, rowing the same direction, but are each focused on their own bottom line and their own area of expertise, which yes, is in the same industry, but is vastly different.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Likening them to head-to-head competitors is absurd.
What evidence do you have that she convinced him of anything? I think he did it because he finally had players with the ability to do it. I think he has consistently based his offense/defense on the ability of his players.ABC BEAR said:
Once Kim convinced Scott to drop the Zone and embrace the Man defense his W=L record got better in a hurry.
ABC BEAR said:
Once Kim convinced Scott to drop the Zone and embrace the Man defense his W=L record got better in a hurry.
Wait until she finds out about LSU football. Hoo boy!!bear2be2 said:
To her, it was a competition with men's basketball for resources, attention, media coverage, etc. This would at least seem to be the case based on her lack of acknowledgement of men's basketball achievement and the timing of her departure.
My style(if there is any) runs from waggish to satirical in most of my posts.blackie said:What evidence do you have that she convinced him of anything? I think he did it because he finally had players with the ability to do it. I think he has consistently based his offense/defense on the ability of his players.ABC BEAR said:
Once Kim convinced Scott to drop the Zone and embrace the Man defense his W=L record got better in a hurry.
And vice versa. Kim was violently opposed to bringing in transfer players. Scott convinced her, because of his experience, that she should at least be open to the possibilities. That made some major changes to her program within the last few years.ABC BEAR said:
Once Kim convinced Scott to drop the Zone and embrace the Man defense his W-L record got better in a hurry.
Leonidas said:
Here is an account about Mulkey "telling" Drew to switch to a zone defense at one point through the TV set - such is how "stories" develop:
Baylor coach Kim Mulkey is known for her intense focus but when the Lady Bears aren't practicing or playing during March Madness she does what most other sports fans are doing - she watches basketball.
"I watched the men's game the other night and I'm screaming the TV and pounding the table," Mulkey said of the No. 3 seed Baylor team's NCAA victory over Colorado Saturday night. "I'm giving my suggestions to (Scott Drew) and by God he finally listened."
Mulkey related the story during Monday's news conference as her top-seeded team prepares to face No. 9 Florida in the NCAA Tournament's second round. She was in a joking mood, saying "bless you" to a reporter who sneezed and laughing that she had just "blessed the media."
A victory by the Lady Bears would give Baylor teams in the Sweet 16 of both the men's and women's tournaments. Baylor's victory over Colorado Saturday hinged on coach Scott Drew switching from a man-to-man to zone defense. It turns out that's the advice Mulkey was yelling at her television in Bowling Green, Ohio, while the Bears were battling in Albuquerque, N.M.
"I'm not questioning any coaching, I am Scott Drew's biggest fan," Mulkey said. "Scott is a zone coach and I'm a man-to-man coach. He's playing more man-to-man now and I'm loving it. But the other night I was screaming he had to go zone to keep Colorado out of the paint.
"He went zone and it won the game for him. I called one of his assistants (Monday morning) and said, 'OK, I' proud of ya'll for making a change and going to a z-z-z-zone.' I got that word out of my mouth. But it really did win the game for them."
Very well stated!Method Man said:4 National Titles (and about 30 NCAA tournament appearances) between them means I don't really care if they were best friends or not.zunooreo said:
Dumb question. It's like asking/stirring the relationship between the CEO of Home Depot and the CEO of Lowe's. Both lead completely different organizations, but compete in the same market.
Cordial, professional, but solely focused on their own lemonade stand.
Sic'em
Drew switched TO a zone in 2010 and that got us to our first EE. He ran man to man much of the time before that...and watching Lomers in man to man was very painful...ABC BEAR said:
Once Kim convinced Scott to drop the Zone and embrace the Man defense his W-L record got better in a hurry.
Eball - That was always my take on the KM/SD relationship: they supported each other's teams and as coaches as much as they could with their individual seasons completely overlapping.Eball said:
I have never heard one or the other say anything but positive about the other. I also know they rooted for each other and the players on both teams were very supportive of each other. The whole Kim was jealous or disliked any other sport is garbage....