Edmond Bear said:

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Lynnp550 said:

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Baloney

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If you think the women's story is a better story to tell, there is nothing stopping you from raising money, hiring a documentary crew, and getting your documentary distributed.

Other people feel like the men's story is a bigger rags to riches story, has more audience hooks, fits the 'hero's journey' storyline better, and has a bigger pre-built audience.

We are getting something pretty amazing. I cannot imagine why we finds things to complain about with it.

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Getting to hear what the previous players, current players, etc. went through and to achieve the greatest championship in school history is moving.

I doubt this will be our last one, but until it goes to market, we don't know if we'll drop mid-six figures on one with less universal appeal.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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LadyChickBear said:

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It has really been bugging me because I have had season tickets since 2001 and I don't remember it. And, I am wondering if they haven't, why? Seems to me 3 National Championships might make a fascinating one??

Please don't pounce...just curious...did I miss something?

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Economics.

1. With every passing day it becomes less expensive to create professional quality content.

2. Comparing the size of likely purchasers might be relatively similar but comparing the size of casual purchasers would be massively different. People financing content want to make a buck.

Cheaper to make & bigger purchasing audience = why MBB NC got a documentary and WBB NCs did not.

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I wouldn't say cheaper as this started at 10-20k and now it's grown considerably, but less expensive compared to major studios.

Edmond Bear said:

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Lynnp550 said:

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It doesn't appear that anyone is questioning "Why the men and not the women;" it's more "Why not both?"

The men's program rose from the ashes of a terrible scandal to win a National Championship. The women hardly had what one could call a program when Kim Mulkey showed up. The next year they won the Big 12 title; a scant 5 years later they were National Champions, with a couple of repeats every 7 years, and ended with our coach in the HOF. I cannot even begin to imagine the amazing stories along that road.

When Central Texas' own L. C. McKamie (School Superintendent in Abbott then Gatesville, great friend and mentor of Willie Nelson btw) initiated the first women's high school basketball team in our state, did he even dare to dream of such glory? That history should preface any documentary about WBB in Texas..but I digress.

So the snarky comment about how I should elicit contributions for a Lady Bears documentary begs the question: Who paid for the men's? Because just maybe I will take you up on your suggestion, snarky tho' it was.

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Fundraising on the boards paid for most of the men's documentary. That's where the suggestion for you to fundraise came from. You could do the same thing that other people have already done.

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Paid for about 30%, so far and we greatly appreciate it. The costs continue to climb as we've added 100+ hours of interviews. It went from a 1.5 hour program to 2 parts and maybe more. The story is that deep and interesting.

WBB could be done, but we have three others in front of it with more human interest and history, IMO. I'm not going to give those away, but just as we've done with Baylor Icons (Teaff, Trull/Elkins, more coming) we're not ignoring the past or any program.

Also, Lynn, I didn't respond with any snark, but was attributed it in your response.

Lynnp550 said:

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It doesn't appear that anyone is questioning "Why the men and not the women;" it's more "Why not both?"

The men's program rose from the ashes of a terrible scandal to win a National Championship. The women hardly had what one could call a program when Kim Mulkey showed up. The next year they won the Big 12 title; a scant 5 years later they were National Champions, with a couple of repeats every 7 years, and ended with our coach in the HOF. I cannot even begin to imagine the amazing stories along that road.

When Central Texas' own L. C. McKamie (School Superintendent in Abbott then Gatesville, great friend and mentor of Willie Nelson btw) initiated the first women's high school basketball team in our state, did he even dare to dream of such glory? That history should preface any documentary about WBB in Texas..but I digress.

So the snarky comment about how I should elicit contributions for a Lady Bears documentary begs the question: Who paid for the men's? Because just maybe I will take you up on your suggestion, snarky tho' it was.

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Chris Scott, the director of this documentary, has mentioned doing a documentary on Mulkey and even Art Briles during this process. We will have to see how this one goes.

The Briles documentary would probably have the biggest audience given the interest in college football. 17 million tuned in to Baylor vs Gonzaga's championship game versus 3.5 million for Baylor vs Notre Dame in 2019. So some of it is potential audience as to priority.

We think all Baylor fans, college basketball fans and those who identify with Scott Drew's Christian faith (that's really the big audience) are the big viewership groups here but like Edmond Bear said also the intensity of the scandal in 2003 and then 18 years later the pinnacle is a great feel good story.

Mulkey's story would be interesting also, but perhaps less appeal now that she's gone. Sicem365 is only now in a position to even consider projects like this and the MBB documentary was all about timing, the right partnership (Chris Charles Scott) and the story all matching up.

Jim Turner talked about Mulkey quite a bit when interviewed for this MBB documentary, so she will have a role in this story.

Stefano DiMera said:

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They werent that bad..Sonja Hogg had them competitive..didnt she almost win a WNIT championship?

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Yep. Her last year was bad, she brought them to the WNIT from Bowersland.

baylorbear33 said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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They werent that bad..Sonja Hogg had them competitive..didnt she almost win a WNIT championship?

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Yep. Her last year was bad, she brought them to the WNIT from Bowersland.

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Give credit where credit is due - Hogg's assistant coaches had them semi-competitive. She had a history of riding coattails and taking credit. Does the name Leon Barmore ring any bells? She was unkind, mean-spirited, and incapable. I personally witnessed a game where BU had a 6 point lead over SMU, 12 seconds left on the clock, and lost due to her inept coaching. Bowers may not have been a great coach, but at least she gave a crap about her players. Quite honestly, neither Bowers or Hogg should be mentioned in the same sentence with Mulkey. There is simply no comparison.

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LT and Angela were great.

Considering Hogg helped find Mulkey, they will be forever linked.

baylorbear33 said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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baylorbear33 said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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They werent that bad..Sonja Hogg had them competitive..didnt she almost win a WNIT championship?

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Yep. Her last year was bad, she brought them to the WNIT from Bowersland.

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Give credit where credit is due - Hogg's assistant coaches had them semi-competitive. She had a history of riding coattails and taking credit. Does the name Leon Barmore ring any bells? She was unkind, mean-spirited, and incapable. I personally witnessed a game where BU had a 6 point lead over SMU, 12 seconds left on the clock, and lost due to her inept coaching. Bowers may not have been a great coach, but at least she gave a crap about her players. Quite honestly, neither Bowers or Hogg should be mentioned in the same sentence with Mulkey. There is simply no comparison.

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LT and Angela were great.

Considering Hogg helped find Mulkey, they will be forever linked.

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You're right Brian. They were both terrific. I will never understand why LT didn't get the head coaching job instead of them bringing in Hogg. Both he and Angela were saints to put up with what they did and suffer in silence for the good of the team.

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Yeah, I was around a bit and am still friends with LT's sons. LT would have been a great coach for the program. He was a great recruiter and respected.

I haven't seen Angela in close to 20 years and lost touch.

anyone watch Women of Troy? I haven't yet but meaning to. Wonder how well it did financially.

MBB documentaries is a more crowded market so maybe I'm short-changing how well a doc on baylor wbb would do.

If Nicki wins a natty this year, we will absolutely do one.

Ashley Hodge said:

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anyone watch Women of Troy? I haven't yet but meaning to. Wonder how well it did financially.

MBB documentaries is a more crowded market so maybe I'm short-changing how well a doc on baylor wbb would do.

If Nicki wins a natty this year, we will absolutely do one.

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In.

TxRainMkr said:

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Back to the Dr Pepper bottles....I'd still like one for the men.

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Same