Griner in Gold Medal Game

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Watching some old fashion basketball. Take what the other team gives you. Brittany 9 of 10 from the block at the half.
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Griner guarding a 5'6" point guard repeatedly at the three point line was classic big girl defense. Very few post players could do that.
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Sic 'em
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I didn't see all the games but that was the first time I saw Staley put the focus on Griner. It paid major dividends
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The focus was on Griner with Wilson also getting a lot of touches.Both are strong skilled bigs.Stewart was the third member of the terrific front court.She scored 14 points and grabbed 14 rebounds.Griner made the vast majority of her shots and got put back baskets on 2 of her misses.
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Did BG set a Gold Medal game scoring record with 30 points?
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TxRainMkr said:

Did BG set a Gold Medal game scoring record with 30 points?
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I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
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Brittney Griner broke a 25-year-old record
set by all-time great Lisa Leslie at Atlanta 1996.
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IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
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geewago said:

IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
Please, let's not start this.
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She has put on muscle and obtained offensive skills to match her outstanding defense. She is a complete player.
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Not starting anything, we're just surprised that's all
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IowaBear said:

Not starting anything, we're just surprised that's all
Ok, I get it, but this is exactly how it starts. That's all.
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BUatbirth said:

geewago said:

IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
Please, let's not start this.
Yet another instance where the Mulkeyists start nonsense so that they can complain about being abused.

In reality, Griner had a great game. She had a great game because she was properly used. The game proved that modern 5 out basketball doesn't negate post play but rather makes scoring in the post easier & more efficient.

Two examples: one where Griner scores and one where she facilitates scoring.

Play One: Griner setting the high ball screen. Every time Japan switched the high ball screen Griner rim rolled against the smaller defender. Catching the ball on the move she either scored easily or put back a missed shot. The simplest 5 Out action got Griner multiple point blank post looks against a 5'6 defender.


Play 2: [multiple action]. Bird with ball and Taurasi in ballside corner. Stewart receives a double backside screen from Griner and Wilson and runs baseline [if open she receives post feed]. Otherwise Stewart proceeds to set first of 3 picks for Taurasi. If Taurasi open after first pick post score. She runs off Stewart baseline screen on ballside then to Griner baseline screen off ball. If no switch and defender goes under screen, Taurasi flares to corner for catch & shoot 3. If switch or go over screen, Taurasi receives a Lift Screen from Wilson. If Defender goes under, Taurasi flares to catch & shoot Wing 3. If defender goes over [no switch] Taurasi catches on diagonal cut to drive/score [if Griner's defender pinch helps Taurasi feeds Griner] (Taurasi drives diagonally with defender on back hip and rim protected). If defenders switch Wilson Lift Screen [way Japan played because their entire philosophy in the game was to exchange Challenge 2s for 3s] then Taurasi dragged switch defender to 3 point line and Griner came up the lane to the elbow to set a backside curl screen for Wilson. Wilson [whose defender generally shaded her to her dominant left hand] would get a devastating rub screen from Griner and catch for a easy 1-2 dribble diagonal drive [Wilson got almost 60% of her points on this play]. If Griner's defender had switched, Wilson would continue diagonal cut with or without ball and Griner would backside rimroll [smaller defender totally behind her] for an easy bucket. Never happened because Japan gave up the Wilson drive or Pinch/slid the defenders instead. When Japan ran the pinch/slide of the two defenders not on Taurasi, Griner simply spun, caught & shot the FT line jumper [hit twice]. Even with Taurasi having a terrible game, this play was devastating because Japan switched the 3rd pick to keep her from getting catch & shoot 3s. [as an aside, this is Taurasi's favorite play (Mercury run it constantly for her)]. The play worked because Griner hit the FT jumpers and kept the switched defenders honest. The majority of Wilson's points were directly attributable to Griner generally keeping the D "at home" and the diagonal drive with a smaller defender on the trail hip. Wilson ate it up.

So........your "try to start a fight" statement was false. Griner played a fantastic game. The team used her full talents rather than parking her in the post where she would get double teamed constantly and where she would clog driving lanes.

The Gold Medal Game is a superb example that modern 5 Out basketball does NOT negate post play but rather enables efficient post play. Look at Griner's and Wilson's shooting %. They scored a lot and they scored efficiently [even with Wilson blowing a breakaway layup].

But other than being totally wrong about everything, keep posting so that folks can see you.
Eball
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

BUatbirth said:

geewago said:

IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
Please, let's not start this.
Yet another instance where the Mulkeyists start nonsense so that they can complain about being abused.

In reality, Griner had a great game. She had a great game because she was properly used. The game proved that modern 5 out basketball doesn't negate post play but rather makes scoring in the post easier & more efficient.

Two examples: one where Griner scores and one where she facilitates scoring.

Play One: Griner setting the high ball screen. Every time Japan switched the high ball screen Griner rim rolled against the smaller defender. Catching the ball on the move she either scored easily or put back a missed shot. The simplest 5 Out action got Griner multiple point blank post looks against a 5'6 defender.


Play 2: [multiple action]. Bird with ball and Taurasi in ballside corner. Stewart receives a double backside screen from Griner and Wilson and runs baseline [if open she receives post feed]. Otherwise Stewart proceeds to set first of 3 picks for Taurasi. If Taurasi open after first pick post score. She runs off Stewart baseline screen on ballside then to Griner baseline screen off ball. If no switch and defender goes under screen, Taurasi flares to corner for catch & shoot 3. If switch or go over screen, Taurasi receives a Lift Screen from Wilson. If Defender goes under, Taurasi flares to catch & shoot Wing 3. If defender goes over [no switch] Taurasi catches on diagonal cut to drive/score [if Griner's defender pinch helps Taurasi feeds Griner] (Taurasi drives diagonally with defender on back hip and rim protected). If defenders switch Wilson Lift Screen [way Japan played because their entire philosophy in the game was to exchange Challenge 2s for 3s] then Taurasi dragged switch defender to 3 point line and Griner came up the lane to the elbow to set a backside curl screen for Wilson. Wilson [whose defender generally shaded her to her dominant left hand] would get a devastating rub screen from Griner and catch for a easy 1-2 dribble diagonal drive [Wilson got almost 60% of her points on this play]. If Griner's defender had switched, Wilson would continue diagonal cut with or without ball and Griner would backside rimroll [smaller defender totally behind her] for an easy bucket. Never happened because Japan gave up the Wilson drive or Pinch/slid the defenders instead. When Japan ran the pinch/slide of the two defenders not on Taurasi, Griner simply spun, caught & shot the FT line jumper [hit twice]. Even with Taurasi having a terrible game, this play was devastating because Japan switched the 3rd pick to keep her from getting catch & shoot 3s. [as an aside, this is Taurasi's favorite play (Mercury run it constantly for her)]. The play worked because Griner hit the FT jumpers and kept the switched defenders honest. The majority of Wilson's points were directly attributable to Griner generally keeping the D "at home" and the diagonal drive with a smaller defender on the trail hip. Wilson ate it up.

So........your "try to start a fight" statement was false. Griner played a fantastic game. The team used her full talents rather than parking her in the post where she would get double teamed constantly and where she would clog driving lanes.

The Gold Medal Game is a superb example that modern 5 Out basketball does NOT negate post play but rather enables efficient post play. Look at Griner's and Wilson's shooting %. They scored a lot and they scored efficiently [even with Wilson blowing a breakaway layup].

But other than being totally wrong about everything, keep posting so that folks can see you.
Too bad Mack did not pick you to coach the Ladies!
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Eball said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

BUatbirth said:

geewago said:

IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
Please, let's not start this.
Yet another instance where the Mulkeyists start nonsense so that they can complain about being abused.

In reality, Griner had a great game. She had a great game because she was properly used. The game proved that modern 5 out basketball doesn't negate post play but rather makes scoring in the post easier & more efficient.

Two examples: one where Griner scores and one where she facilitates scoring.

Play One: Griner setting the high ball screen. Every time Japan switched the high ball screen Griner rim rolled against the smaller defender. Catching the ball on the move she either scored easily or put back a missed shot. The simplest 5 Out action got Griner multiple point blank post looks against a 5'6 defender.


Play 2: [multiple action]. Bird with ball and Taurasi in ballside corner. Stewart receives a double backside screen from Griner and Wilson and runs baseline [if open she receives post feed]. Otherwise Stewart proceeds to set first of 3 picks for Taurasi. If Taurasi open after first pick post score. She runs off Stewart baseline screen on ballside then to Griner baseline screen off ball. If no switch and defender goes under screen, Taurasi flares to corner for catch & shoot 3. If switch or go over screen, Taurasi receives a Lift Screen from Wilson. If Defender goes under, Taurasi flares to catch & shoot Wing 3. If defender goes over [no switch] Taurasi catches on diagonal cut to drive/score [if Griner's defender pinch helps Taurasi feeds Griner] (Taurasi drives diagonally with defender on back hip and rim protected). If defenders switch Wilson Lift Screen [way Japan played because their entire philosophy in the game was to exchange Challenge 2s for 3s] then Taurasi dragged switch defender to 3 point line and Griner came up the lane to the elbow to set a backside curl screen for Wilson. Wilson [whose defender generally shaded her to her dominant left hand] would get a devastating rub screen from Griner and catch for a easy 1-2 dribble diagonal drive [Wilson got almost 60% of her points on this play]. If Griner's defender had switched, Wilson would continue diagonal cut with or without ball and Griner would backside rimroll [smaller defender totally behind her] for an easy bucket. Never happened because Japan gave up the Wilson drive or Pinch/slid the defenders instead. When Japan ran the pinch/slide of the two defenders not on Taurasi, Griner simply spun, caught & shot the FT line jumper [hit twice]. Even with Taurasi having a terrible game, this play was devastating because Japan switched the 3rd pick to keep her from getting catch & shoot 3s. [as an aside, this is Taurasi's favorite play (Mercury run it constantly for her)]. The play worked because Griner hit the FT jumpers and kept the switched defenders honest. The majority of Wilson's points were directly attributable to Griner generally keeping the D "at home" and the diagonal drive with a smaller defender on the trail hip. Wilson ate it up.

So........your "try to start a fight" statement was false. Griner played a fantastic game. The team used her full talents rather than parking her in the post where she would get double teamed constantly and where she would clog driving lanes.

The Gold Medal Game is a superb example that modern 5 Out basketball does NOT negate post play but rather enables efficient post play. Look at Griner's and Wilson's shooting %. They scored a lot and they scored efficiently [even with Wilson blowing a breakaway layup].

But other than being totally wrong about everything, keep posting so that folks can see you.
Too bad Mack did not pick you to coach the Ladies!

Absolutely. Isn't that a mystery. Anyone with the knowledge AP has sure doesn't need to be wasting time on a insignificant internet board straightening out a bunch of ignorant peons that hardly know the basic rudiments of the game. Such knowledge should be guiding a top ten team somewhere. And I am dead dog serious.
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Maybe AP is holding out for Geno's job when he retires.
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That's the reason he turned down the Baylor job geewago. He plans to take UConn to the next level.
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IowaBear said:

Maybe AP is holding out for Geno's job when he retires.
He's already a poster on the UCONN Board
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Maybe we should fire CNC and hire the Baylor fans on this forum. Everyone on here seems to know everything already!
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Geez. Can we focus on what a great game Griner had.
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

BUatbirth said:

geewago said:

IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
Please, let's not start this.
Yet another instance where the Mulkeyists start nonsense so that they can complain about being abused.

In reality, Griner had a great game. She had a great game because she was properly used. The game proved that modern 5 out basketball doesn't negate post play but rather makes scoring in the post easier & more efficient.

Two examples: one where Griner scores and one where she facilitates scoring.

Play One: Griner setting the high ball screen. Every time Japan switched the high ball screen Griner rim rolled against the smaller defender. Catching the ball on the move she either scored easily or put back a missed shot. The simplest 5 Out action got Griner multiple point blank post looks against a 5'6 defender.


Play 2: [multiple action]. Bird with ball and Taurasi in ballside corner. Stewart receives a double backside screen from Griner and Wilson and runs baseline [if open she receives post feed]. Otherwise Stewart proceeds to set first of 3 picks for Taurasi. If Taurasi open after first pick post score. She runs off Stewart baseline screen on ballside then to Griner baseline screen off ball. If no switch and defender goes under screen, Taurasi flares to corner for catch & shoot 3. If switch or go over screen, Taurasi receives a Lift Screen from Wilson. If Defender goes under, Taurasi flares to catch & shoot Wing 3. If defender goes over [no switch] Taurasi catches on diagonal cut to drive/score [if Griner's defender pinch helps Taurasi feeds Griner] (Taurasi drives diagonally with defender on back hip and rim protected). If defenders switch Wilson Lift Screen [way Japan played because their entire philosophy in the game was to exchange Challenge 2s for 3s] then Taurasi dragged switch defender to 3 point line and Griner came up the lane to the elbow to set a backside curl screen for Wilson. Wilson [whose defender generally shaded her to her dominant left hand] would get a devastating rub screen from Griner and catch for a easy 1-2 dribble diagonal drive [Wilson got almost 60% of her points on this play]. If Griner's defender had switched, Wilson would continue diagonal cut with or without ball and Griner would backside rimroll [smaller defender totally behind her] for an easy bucket. Never happened because Japan gave up the Wilson drive or Pinch/slid the defenders instead. When Japan ran the pinch/slide of the two defenders not on Taurasi, Griner simply spun, caught & shot the FT line jumper [hit twice]. Even with Taurasi having a terrible game, this play was devastating because Japan switched the 3rd pick to keep her from getting catch & shoot 3s. [as an aside, this is Taurasi's favorite play (Mercury run it constantly for her)]. The play worked because Griner hit the FT jumpers and kept the switched defenders honest. The majority of Wilson's points were directly attributable to Griner generally keeping the D "at home" and the diagonal drive with a smaller defender on the trail hip. Wilson ate it up.

So........your "try to start a fight" statement was false. Griner played a fantastic game. The team used her full talents rather than parking her in the post where she would get double teamed constantly and where she would clog driving lanes.

The Gold Medal Game is a superb example that modern 5 Out basketball does NOT negate post play but rather enables efficient post play. Look at Griner's and Wilson's shooting %. They scored a lot and they scored efficiently [even with Wilson blowing a breakaway layup].

But other than being totally wrong about everything, keep posting so that folks can see you.
I just wish Sandy Brondello (Phoenix Coach) could coach like Dawn Staley and use Brittney more. Brittney started every Olympic game and played consistently more minutes than Tina Charles or Sylvia Fowles. She was really moved in the interview after the game. I have never seen her tear up like she did. So proud of her and for her.
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I hope Griner wants to play in the 2024 Olympics.Has she said anything about that?
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LadyChickBear said:

I just wish Sandy Brondello (Phoenix Coach) could coach like Dawn Staley and use Brittney more. Brittney started every Olympic game and played consistently more minutes than Tina Charles or Sylvia Fowles. She was really moved in the interview after the game. I have never seen her tear up like she did. So proud of her and for her.
Think the situation is not simply coaching but organizational......the Mercury gave Taurasi a multiple year max contract when she is clearly a shell of her former self [as a player]. Having paid that money, their is management expectation to focus the O on Taurasi. Taurasi was a superb player and easily an O focal point for many years. But she hasn't been at that point as a player in several years.

Mercury organization is disfunctional. Let Bonner [at peak of her career and a really unique talent] leave in free agency and then trade for and max contract a "not what she was" Diggins-Smith. Draft Tea Cooper & immediately cut her when they need good young talent on cheap contracts.

Like every sports league, some franchises are really well run and some are poorly run. Mercury is part of the latter. Brondello runs "good stuff" but the roster is a mess. Could she run a lot more action for Griner.....yes. But would management be OK with her cutting shot attempts for Taurasi & Diggins-Smith?

I tend to think of Bill Belichick in Cleveland......no one can out coach their own bad employer/organization.
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

LadyChickBear said:

I just wish Sandy Brondello (Phoenix Coach) could coach like Dawn Staley and use Brittney more. Brittney started every Olympic game and played consistently more minutes than Tina Charles or Sylvia Fowles. She was really moved in the interview after the game. I have never seen her tear up like she did. So proud of her and for her.
Think the situation is not simply coaching but organizational......the Mercury gave Taurasi a multiple year max contract when she is clearly a shell of her former self [as a player]. Having paid that money, their is management expectation to focus the O on Taurasi. Taurasi was a superb player and easily an O focal point for many years. But she hasn't been at that point as a player in several years.

Mercury organization is disfunctional. Let Bonner [at peak of her career and a really unique talent] leave in free agency and then trade for and max contract a "not what she was" Diggins-Smith. Draft Tea Cooper & immediately cut her when they need good young talent on cheap contracts.

Like every sports league, some franchises are really well run and some are poorly run. Mercury is part of the latter. Brondello runs "good stuff" but the roster is a mess. Could she run a lot more action for Griner.....yes. But would management be OK with her cutting shot attempts for Taurasi & Diggins-Smith?

I tend to think of Bill Belichick in Cleveland......no one can out coach their own bad employer/organization.
Good points!! Thanks for the thoughts!!
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Enough with this being used correctly. Griner is playing well because Griner is playing better than she has ever played the game. She showed that during her WNBA season as well. She totally dominated Cambage to a level she has never done before in her career. She is having a career season and that is not just based on her scoring, but her defense and rebounding as well. It also helped that she had players who fed her the ball when she wanted it.
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Brittney has expanded her offensive repertoire. She is deadly out to the three point line, and particularly in and around the free throw circle. Her shot selection is above reproach, and she has mastered the shots and footwork needed to dominate around the basket. Her skill set, combined with her size, is outstanding, and she remains a dominant force at the defensive end of the floor. She was always a good free throw shooter, and has only gotten better.

The WNBA has always been a guard-dominant league, and that probably reflects the lack of high skilled interior players of size, as well as the growing significance of the three point shot. I watched many of the U.S. 19 and Under games and the same tendencies are there, but not to the extent that they once were. The American team had three girls with considerable size, two who were very good. Betts, the Stanford commit, has both size and a high degree of offensive capability. She is good on defense, but not nearly so much as Griner. Watching these best of the best made me appreciate Brittney all the more. She has always been truly unique. The American squad was the undefeated champion of the world tournament, and they beat teams mercilessly.

I was interested to see the American coaches play zone part of the time, and usually not to good effect. I am not sure why any coach would deploy his/her squad in a zone when they have equal or better athleticism and superior players. I suppose it is their response to teams bringing their interior players out on the perimeter and forcing switches that presumably create some advantage, but I saw them doing it when their man for man was widening the scoring gap, then going to the zone gave teams with good outside shooters the opportunity to close it. Some coaches are overthinking the game when they do such things.

Incidentally, the Iowa All American, Caitlin Clark, was superb all through the tournament. She is an amazing shooter, and she shoots from NBA range plus. As good as Bueckers is, Clark is better, not all around, but in my view on her effect on the flow of the game -- she demoralizes teams, and that was true in almost every game.

YouTube has many, if not all of the games and if you have the time, you might want to take a look. The Australians were the other finalist, and the Spanish team had some good players, but just not enough to matter. I did not watch the Canadians, so I missed out on the guard that we once recruited and seem to still be interested in. She was apparently a tournament standout. I wish we could reel her in, but I am skeptical.
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Eball said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

BUatbirth said:

geewago said:

IowaBear said:

I'm surprised AP hasn't crashed the thread to tell us BG had an average game
Good one. I suspect it's on the way. I mean with her height and all, anything less than 40 points a game should be considered a failure.
Please, let's not start this.
Yet another instance where the Mulkeyists start nonsense so that they can complain about being abused.

In reality, Griner had a great game. She had a great game because she was properly used. The game proved that modern 5 out basketball doesn't negate post play but rather makes scoring in the post easier & more efficient.

Two examples: one where Griner scores and one where she facilitates scoring.

Play One: Griner setting the high ball screen. Every time Japan switched the high ball screen Griner rim rolled against the smaller defender. Catching the ball on the move she either scored easily or put back a missed shot. The simplest 5 Out action got Griner multiple point blank post looks against a 5'6 defender.


Play 2: [multiple action]. Bird with ball and Taurasi in ballside corner. Stewart receives a double backside screen from Griner and Wilson and runs baseline [if open she receives post feed]. Otherwise Stewart proceeds to set first of 3 picks for Taurasi. If Taurasi open after first pick post score. She runs off Stewart baseline screen on ballside then to Griner baseline screen off ball. If no switch and defender goes under screen, Taurasi flares to corner for catch & shoot 3. If switch or go over screen, Taurasi receives a Lift Screen from Wilson. If Defender goes under, Taurasi flares to catch & shoot Wing 3. If defender goes over [no switch] Taurasi catches on diagonal cut to drive/score [if Griner's defender pinch helps Taurasi feeds Griner] (Taurasi drives diagonally with defender on back hip and rim protected). If defenders switch Wilson Lift Screen [way Japan played because their entire philosophy in the game was to exchange Challenge 2s for 3s] then Taurasi dragged switch defender to 3 point line and Griner came up the lane to the elbow to set a backside curl screen for Wilson. Wilson [whose defender generally shaded her to her dominant left hand] would get a devastating rub screen from Griner and catch for a easy 1-2 dribble diagonal drive [Wilson got almost 60% of her points on this play]. If Griner's defender had switched, Wilson would continue diagonal cut with or without ball and Griner would backside rimroll [smaller defender totally behind her] for an easy bucket. Never happened because Japan gave up the Wilson drive or Pinch/slid the defenders instead. When Japan ran the pinch/slide of the two defenders not on Taurasi, Griner simply spun, caught & shot the FT line jumper [hit twice]. Even with Taurasi having a terrible game, this play was devastating because Japan switched the 3rd pick to keep her from getting catch & shoot 3s. [as an aside, this is Taurasi's favorite play (Mercury run it constantly for her)]. The play worked because Griner hit the FT jumpers and kept the switched defenders honest. The majority of Wilson's points were directly attributable to Griner generally keeping the D "at home" and the diagonal drive with a smaller defender on the trail hip. Wilson ate it up.

So........your "try to start a fight" statement was false. Griner played a fantastic game. The team used her full talents rather than parking her in the post where she would get double teamed constantly and where she would clog driving lanes.

The Gold Medal Game is a superb example that modern 5 Out basketball does NOT negate post play but rather enables efficient post play. Look at Griner's and Wilson's shooting %. They scored a lot and they scored efficiently [even with Wilson blowing a breakaway layup].

But other than being totally wrong about everything, keep posting so that folks can see you.
Too bad Mack did not pick you to coach the Ladies!

ahahahahahhhh!!!!! I'm surprised he didn't apply to be an analyst for the women's team with CNC to ensure they play a "modern offense"!
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