Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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If your pick isn't on the list, let us know who it is and then chime in on some of these.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/586948-ten-democrats-who-could-run-in-2024-if-biden-doesnt

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In my opinion, the best place for a President to come is as an ex-Governor. I think our recent foray into a former Senators or No Political Experience as President is showing that they really don't get how to govern and are either too political or in Trump's case divisive. This list is the modern Presidents of note, if I forgot one I will amend, my bolds are success in being able to get their agenda passed. That is my view on success as a President, not a value judgement on those policies. I am sure there is disagreement, can we keep it civil?

Former Modern Gov's (Bold Success in my opinion)
Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush

Former Modern Non-Gov's (Bold Success in my opinion)
George H. W. Bush
Richard M. Nixon
Gerald Ford
Lyndon B. Johnson (Really interesting if you dig in to what happened on his watch)
John F. Kennedy
William Taft
Warren G Harden
Harry S Truman
Barack Obama
Donald Trump
Dwight Eisenhower
Herbert Hoover

Based on what I see, unless an Eisenhower is out there somewhere, it looks to me that a former Governor is best choice. If I were Dems, I would run either Cooper (Gov NC) or maybe Murphy (Gov NJ). Cooper a Dem in a Red State makes too much sense. They will end up with Michelle Obama or Hillary when all is said and done.

As for the Republicans, that is the real question. My favorites

Pompeo (non-Gov)
DeSantis (Gov - FL)
Hogan (Gov - MD) Mirror of Cooper, GOP Gov in Blue-ish State

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I'm with you on governors. I like people with executive experience as most have had to work across the aisle to serve their constituents.

I would be happy with a Hogan-Cooper election in 2024. It would be worlds better than anything we've had recently.

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yay, Biden and Trump round 2..

Cobretti said:

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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As long as the Senate and House are split, all will be ok...

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I hope the gop has the senate then so no SC justice can be pases through without their approval.

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You know what's weird? Constitutionally that is true if the Green Party holds the Senate.

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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Before Jan31, there will be some health crisis where joe announces he's not running.

I expect to see him fall down a flight of stairs and that will be referred back to as the initial cause of concern. It will be public and geared to generate concern and sympathy rather than incompetence.

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whiterock said:

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Cobretti said:

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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Before Jan31, there will be some health crisis where joe announces he's not running.

I expect to see him fall down a flight of stairs and that will be referred back to as the initial cause of concern. It will be public and geared to generate concern and sympathy rather than incompetence.

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I think you are correct on the Biden-is-unable-to-run for health reasons. That is, if he survives until then.

I also think Kamala will "decide" not to run despite her ego and avarice. Those negotiations will be among the most challenging in recent history for the Dem shot-callers.

Probably the most painful reality for them is that they will have to retreat from the far-left positions they have taken which have put the gov't and the nation in its current state, with no resolution via their chosen policies. That throws folks like Klobuchar et al into the mix. And that forces the GOP to jettison Trump regardless of the effects of the J6 commottee findings or conclusions.

Neither Hillary nor Michelle can win in a heads-up race. Barak might might push for a return: he has that much messiah-complex about him, IMO.

This next Prez race is one the GOP will win or lose via their own efforts. The quicker they dump Trump, the quicker the abscess will heal.

no more old farts on either side

... fall off a bike...

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Cobretti said:

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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Before Jan31, there will be some health crisis where joe announces he's not running.

I expect to see him fall down a flight of stairs and that will be referred back to as the initial cause of concern. It will be public and geared to generate concern and sympathy rather than incompetence.

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Mini stroke .

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Cobretti said:

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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Before Jan31, there will be some health crisis where joe announces he's not running.

I expect to see him fall down a flight of stairs and that will be referred back to as the initial cause of concern. It will be public and geared to generate concern and sympathy rather than incompetence.

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Mini stroke .

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You'll know that Hil is going to run if Bill drops dead suddenly.

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Cobretti said:

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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Before Jan31, there will be some health crisis where joe announces he's not running.

I expect to see him fall down a flight of stairs and that will be referred back to as the initial cause of concern. It will be public and geared to generate concern and sympathy rather than incompetence.

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Mini stroke .

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You'll know that Hil is going to run if Bill drops dead suddenly.

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He needs to keep his mask on so he doesn't catch the Arkansas Flu

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Cobretti said:

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Hillary Clinton rules out another presidential run as Biden, DNC aim to hold off potential candidateshttps://t.co/U7GvuXUszh

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 18, 2022

"No, out of the question," she told the Financial Times. "First of all, I expect Biden to run. He certainly intends to run. It would be very disruptive to challenge that."

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yeah, she's chomping to get in, for sure. that statement is intended to avoid divisions in the party base heading into what will already be a brutal election cycle for them.

On 09 November 2022, that will all change. Biden will face fierce public and internal pressure to announce he is retiring in 2024.

I expect Dems to make a strong effort to mount a 3rd party challenger to give Sam et al something to rally around, to bleed off enough GOP votes to allow the Dems to sneak back into the WH.

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Before Jan31, there will be some health crisis where joe announces he's not running.

I expect to see him fall down a flight of stairs and that will be referred back to as the initial cause of concern. It will be public and geared to generate concern and sympathy rather than incompetence.

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Mini stroke .

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quite possibly

The Dems best choice is Michelle O and Jared Polis. Beloved First Lady and a pretty solid governor who happens to belong to an oppressed group. The alphabet media will just gush. And well they should. Those two would be quite an upgrade over Harris/Buttigieg and would be very compelling to their base, which needs to be fired up. But that presumes either of them would want to run and I'm not sure either of them would. An incumbent POTUS or VPOTUS will be hard to beat in a primary, if they run.

2024 is shaping up to be even better for a "breaker" candidate like Trump than 2016 or 2020. Everywhere there is flat out anger. Even the PTA moms are boiling mad. And Dems cannot back down without breaking their base.

I was filling gas & diesel cans (2 each) at the QT on Saturday. An older man, blue collar type not a homeless bum walked up & said" excuse me." I told him "I'm sorry, I don't have cash on me." (never carry any). He said "oh, I don't need money. My car is on fumes and I need 1 gallon of gas." I said "sure." After I got done with the diesel cans, I started in on the gas, filling his can first. He said nothing as I pumped past one gallon. Said nothing as I pumped past 2 gallons. I stopped at 3 gallons. He said "thanks" offered a firm handshake. I figured that was less than he needed but more than he asked for, so I did my part. Felt sorry for him. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. How are people like that gonna make it? This lot in WDC could care less.

Young mixed race kid on the other side of the pump watched it all. When I finished with my cans, he asked "how much did all that set you back?" We chatted briefly. I finished by pointing my index finger at him and said "you figure you whoever you think is responsible for all this, and you punish them in November, ok?" He laughed and nodded "oh, yeah...."

things are setting up to be transformative.
just a lot more pain before we get there.

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He laughed and nodded "oh, yeah...."

things are setting up to be transformative.
just a lot more pain before we get there.

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The pain is only just beginning and will express itself in only 2 possible ways .




The ballot box.

Or

Open class warfare






Dem's are going to pull out all the stops to motivate their base to stop caring about inflation , crime and open borders.

And focus on racial issues .

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He laughed and nodded "oh, yeah...."

things are setting up to be transformative.
just a lot more pain before we get there.

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The pain is only just beginning and will express itself in only 2 possible ways .




The ballot box.

Or

Open class warfare






Dem's are going to pull out all the stops to motivate their base to stop caring about inflation , crime and open borders.

And focus on racial issues .

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We should start a pool on what date BLM militias will fire up operations. They seem to be on a two-year cycle that happens to correspond with election years. Primary season is winding down, so I think we are on the clock.

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He laughed and nodded "oh, yeah...."

things are setting up to be transformative.
just a lot more pain before we get there.

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The pain is only just beginning and will express itself in only 2 possible ways .




The ballot box.

Or

Open class warfare






Dem's are going to pull out all the stops to motivate their base to stop caring about inflation , crime and open borders.

And focus on racial issues .

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We should start a pool on what date BLM militias will fire up operations. They seem to be on a two-year cycle that happens to correspond with election years. Primary season is winding down, so I think we are on the clock.

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Will soon be obvious to even the most casual observer that antifa and blm are stormtroopers for todays Dem party .

Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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Is he so deluded that he thinks anyone will vote for him? Most of his audience is too high or drunk to vote anyway.... most don't even know what the electoral college is in the first place.

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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What a raging imbecile

Bright side of a movement against electoral college is it could trigger a broader conversation about this entire arrangement

Electoral college and senate were critical to the bargain

“Now is her moment"https://t.co/Qr2hLuYRCb

— Chris Cillizza (@ChrisCillizza) June 28, 2022

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Cobretti said:

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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What a raging imbecile

Bright side of a movement against electoral college is it could trigger a broader conversation about this entire arrangement

Electoral college and senate were critical to the bargain

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please, do it.

Third party candidate on the left would be a worst case scenario for Dems.

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Stern would not draw enough votes to matter in the slightest.

Hunter

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Cobretti said:

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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What a raging imbecile

Bright side of a movement against electoral college is it could trigger a broader conversation about this entire arrangement

Electoral college and senate were critical to the bargain

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please, do it.

Third party candidate on the left would be a worst case scenario for Dems.

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Stern would not draw enough votes to matter in the slightest.

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would get the progressive moron vote and the anybody is better than basement dummy vote..

If they actually put out a real canidate, he wouldnt get many votes

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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Is he so deluded that he thinks anyone will vote for him? Most of his audience is too high or drunk to vote anyway.... most don't even know what the electoral college is in the first place.

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Uh yeah, he's going to have a real rough time trying to end the electoral college

Hunter is creating an exploratory committee.

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Cobretti said:

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Howard Stern says he may run for president, wants to end Electoral College: ‘Not f-----g around’https://t.co/tvQDOXDXMJ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 28, 2022

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What a raging imbecile

Bright side of a movement against electoral college is it could trigger a broader conversation about this entire arrangement

Electoral college and senate were critical to the bargain

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please, do it.

Third party candidate on the left would be a worst case scenario for Dems.

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Stern would not draw enough votes to matter in the slightest.

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He would if Hillary (or any other moderate) is the nominee. He'd be a protest vote for the left wing.

In each of those states Biden won by 10-50k votes, a loud left-wing 3rd party candidate could, in certain scenarios, bleed off enough to cost Dems the victory in those states. Such a candidate on the ballot would limit how far the Democrat nominee could move to the center, as doing so would reflexively drive up the protest vote, putting several swing states in jeopardy for them.

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Hunter is creating an exploratory committee.

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Yeah, but he's investigating the cocaine supply crisis.

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Hunter

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Stormy.

I like this game.

These people deserve Donald Trump. All of it. pic.twitter.com/SqftVyQclA

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) July 8, 2022

Gavin Newsome will

Roy Cooper should. Somewhat moderate although Fox will have him painted as the founder of Antifa within 24 hours of announcing.

It will be Michelle Obama. Kamala is gonna be pissed!!!!! That part will be fun to watch.

She will begin her America Sucks tour shortly after announcing.

Let's see:
1. A VP whose only qualification is being a half-Indian, half-black woman who polished Willie Brown's knob
2. A secretary of "transportation" whose only qualification is polishing knobs
3. A Ken Doll who may be the second worst governor in the nation
4. A charmless shrew whose only qualification is not polishing the knob of the 42nd president
5. A charmless shrew shrew whose only qualification is pretending to be an American Inidan
6. An octogenarian communist whose exploited capitalism and not working like few others