See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
Biden mostly right on Ukraine
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Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
I agree with Canada on his analysis here. The real scary wild card is Harris. If Biden goes down, this could be the end as China, Iran, North Korea, Syria and even India may all go to solve their problems. Not enough in the cupboard for that. Not sure how Giggles will react.Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
See responses above in BoldCanada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . Maybe, but he isn't very smart in any case One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Agreed Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with? I was a reluctant Trump voter They helped CAUSE this nightmare . Agreed, but my OP is limited to the time AFTER Putin invadedOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. Trump tried to blow up NATO This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
I'm curious about your reference to India. Do you have a link for that?
what is it with democrat women? Why do they always lead out with incompetence, and back it up with psychotic laughter & behavior? Hillary with Bengahzi, Russia reset, and her evil cackle... Pelosi with her years of incompetence and insane antics during multiple State of the Union speeches... and now Kamala with her entire political career combined with her mentally unstable laughter?!?RMF5630 said:I agree with Canada on his analysis here. The real scary wild card is Harris. If Biden goes down, this could be the end as China, Iran, North Korea, Syria and even India may all go to solve their problems. Not enough in the cupboard for that. Not sure how Giggles will react.Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
Democrats... please stop inflicting this nonsense upon the rest of the world!
ShooterTX
From a far right wing source (jk)Osodecentx said:See responses above in BoldCanada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . Maybe, but he isn't very smart in any case One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Agreed Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with? I was a reluctant Trump voter They helped CAUSE this nightmare . Agreed, but my OP is limited to the time AFTER Putin invadedOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. Trump tried to blow up NATO This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
I'm curious about your reference to India. Do you have a link for that?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-have-found-a-buyer-for-its-cheap-oil-india/ar-AAV3bxe
The story is buried on CNN somewhere... not surprising. I think you can find it if you search for Oil India and Russia
ShooterTX
I agree Biden made many mistakes before Putin invaded. That is why my comments are limited to the time period after Putin invaded. I also said "so far". We're not out of this yet, but I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far".Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
Thanks. I had not seen thisShooterTX said:From a far right wing source (jk)Osodecentx said:See responses above in BoldCanada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . Maybe, but he isn't very smart in any case One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Agreed Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with? I was a reluctant Trump voter They helped CAUSE this nightmare . Agreed, but my OP is limited to the time AFTER Putin invadedOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. Trump tried to blow up NATO This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
I'm curious about your reference to India. Do you have a link for that?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-have-found-a-buyer-for-its-cheap-oil-india/ar-AAV3bxe
Don't feel bad...I only saw it a few hours ago .Osodecentx said:Thanks. I had not seen thisShooterTX said:From a far right wing source (jk)Osodecentx said:See responses above in BoldCanada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . Maybe, but he isn't very smart in any case One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Agreed Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with? I was a reluctant Trump voter They helped CAUSE this nightmare . Agreed, but my OP is limited to the time AFTER Putin invadedOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. Trump tried to blow up NATO This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
I'm curious about your reference to India. Do you have a link for that?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-have-found-a-buyer-for-its-cheap-oil-india/ar-AAV3bxe
Just the beginning . Russia will simply drop prices until other countries do the same .
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
The big question is what will Germany do if Putin attacks a NATO ally such as Poland or the Baltic States .RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Then everything crumbles.
Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.Oldbear83 said:
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.
I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Don't bother. He's the Sam Lowry of nuclear war. We're all gonna die!!!!
Stalin executed thousands of German POW's in the closing months of WW2 with the sole intent of eliminating that particular strain of German DNA.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
It worked .
Canon said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Don't bother. He's the Sam Lowry of nuclear war. We're all gonna die!!!!
Says the Karen who freaks out at a barber shop over language .
Oh yeah that's rational.
So you're more comfortable with the guy whose decisions put us closer to a shooting war with a nuclear power than the guy who didn't?Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
Bizarre.
Asking NATO countries to pay the financial commitment they had previously agreed to pay instead of their continued mooching off of the United States certainly ruffled some feathers, but it was a long step from "trying to blow up NATO." There simply is no evidence of that.Osodecentx said:Canada2017 said:Trump tried to blow up NATOOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
So far, yesMothra said:So you're more comfortable with the guy whose decisions put us closer to a shooting war with a nuclear power than the guy who didn't?Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
Playing well with others is not Trump's strong suit. He is not temperamentally suited for situations that require delicacy. So far, so good.Mothra said:Asking NATO countries to pay the financial commitment they had previously agreed to pay instead of their continued mooching off of the United States certainly ruffled some feathers, but it was a long step from "trying to blow up NATO." There simply is no evidence of that.Osodecentx said:Canada2017 said:Trump tried to blow up NATOOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
Canada2017 said:Canon said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Don't bother. He's the Sam Lowry of nuclear war. We're all gonna die!!!!
Says the Karen who freaks out at a barber shop over language .
Oh yeah that's rational.
Lighten up Francis. And look up 'freak out'. Taking hyperbole completely seriously is a real character defect.
But of course have no retort.Mothra said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Vindman? Speaking of which, where is he now? We could really use his expertise, no?Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
It's my opinion.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
It seemed like an appropriate response to, "So far, yes." It's not as if you made much of an argument to retort. Pretty much every argument you've made has been thoroughly refuted at this point.Osodecentx said:But of course have no retort.Mothra said:
Maybe call your buddy Sam to help you out.
A saying about opinions and *******s comes to mind.Osodecentx said:It's my opinion.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
Yours too?Mothra said:A saying about opinions and *******s comes to mind.Osodecentx said:It's my opinion.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
I've made a number of posts explaining my opinion. You've made none to refute itMothra said:It seemed like an appropriate response to, "So far, yes." It's not as if you made much of an argument to retort. Pretty much every argument you've made has been thoroughly refuted at this point.Osodecentx said:But of course have no retort.Mothra said:
Maybe call your buddy Sam to help you out.
Trump's temperament kept us out of this situation. Biden's temperament got us into this war. Pondering how Trump would deal with the results of Biden's actions and then condemning Trump over what you imagine takes place in that scenario is not really a respectable position.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
I have no doubt he is in Ukraine taking up arms with his former countrymen. LOL!!! What a frickin' snowflake/ drama queen this guy turned out to be. Embarrassing.Amal Shuq-Up said:Vindman? Speaking of which, where is he now? We could really use his expertise, no?Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Found this source of all this silliness;
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/14/biden-support-ukraine-russia-trump-00016882
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/14/biden-support-ukraine-russia-trump-00016882
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?