Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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If a commie and a nazi are fighting over your house, I'd recommend you not take sides. Unless you have a better idea you're going to lose the house either way.

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faulty premise. As presented, the situation would be an elementary "defeat in detail" opportunity, i.e. let one kill the other then attack the wounded survivor. But that is not the actual situation.

The current reality is that there are no nazis in sight. The mobs are literally all leftists. They control tthe homeowners association, the PTA, the utility companies, the media who will report what happens, etc.... and the police are afraid of them. Now, they're in your living room, demanding to take your kids and teach them to be part of the mob. There is no room for negotiation. They refuse the middle, not interested in negotiation. You join their world, or you lose your livelihood, your standing in the community (your neighbors having already been bullied into compliance), or worse.

At that point, which is exactly where we are at the moment....mostly apolitical parents parents are starting to roar out of their bedrooms to take back their living room, then take back school boards & city councils & legislatures.....people who stand idly by and nit pick tactics and leaders are.....well......they're letting vanity get in the way of clear thinking. And it's no safe position, for they will have antagonized both parties to the fight. A victorious homeowner will not want them in a ruling coalition, and victorious leftists will note the insuffiicient enthusiasm for their cause and treat them the same as the vanquished.

I soberly calculated my support for Trump in 2016. I did not get it. Deep reservations. Ultimately chose to engage because whatever my misgivings were (several of which were ratified) there were going to be serious contests on a number of issues which frankly were far more important than the candidate. I did not want to let my own vanity (what I feared others would think of giving Trump my support) to compromise my ability to put my hand on the wagon and PUSH. The issues were more important, and to the extent that the candidate was less than ideal, that only made contribution to the effort MORE important. Sure, he still has the flaws. Sure, I'd like something a bit more Reaganesque. But that's not in the offing. so I'm checking horse shoes and sharpening swords for the coming battle. And for the people who claim to be good to get bloody with me I have nothing but disgustipation.

The barbarians are here. People who explicitly reject core tenets of classical liberalism like free speech are inside the walls. The melee is coming. Men, women & children from the village are pouring into the streets with pitchforks and kitchen knives. For a warrior class individual to conclude in such a situation there is moral high ground in avoiding the fray because the prince farts at the dinner table is....well....when the gutting is done there will be plenty of time for those who stood idly by to dig new latrines while I throw tomatoes at them.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Desantis is far more electable in the general election than Trump.

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Given enough time......Trump will inevitably make an ass of himself on the campaign trail.

Highly unlikely DeSantis world do anything remotely as self destructive.

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And if DeSantis does not run for President?

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I give. What?

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If Trump wins the nomination, who do you vote for?

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Snoopy

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So while I am downstairs in the living room in a machete fight with marxist, you will stand on the stairwell and quote Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Thanks a lot. I'll remember that the next time you need help on something that matters a lot to you.

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If a commie and a nazi are fighting over your house, I'd recommend you not take sides. Unless you have a better idea you're going to lose the house either way.

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faulty premise. As presented, the situation would be an elementary "defeat in detail" opportunity, i.e. let one kill the other then attack the wounded survivor. But that is not the actual situation.

The current reality is that there are no nazis in sight. The mobs are literally all leftists. They control tthe homeowners association, the PTA, the utility companies, the media who will report what happens, etc.... and the police are afraid of them. Now, they're in your living room, demanding to take your kids and teach them to be part of the mob. There is no room for negotiation. They refuse the middle, not interested in negotiation. You join their world, or you lose your livelihood, your standing in the community (your neighbors having already been bullied into compliance), or worse.

At that point, which is exactly where we are at the moment....mostly apolitical parents parents are starting to roar out of their bedrooms to take back their living room, then take back school boards & city councils & legislatures.....people who stand idly by and nit pick tactics and leaders are.....well......they're letting vanity get in the way of clear thinking. And it's no safe position, for they will have antagonized both parties to the fight. A victorious homeowner will not want them in a ruling coalition, and victorious leftists will note the insuffiicient enthusiasm for their cause and treat them the same as the vanquished.

I soberly calculated my support for Trump in 2016. I did not get it. Deep reservations. Ultimately chose to engage because whatever my misgivings were (several of which were ratified) there were going to be serious contests on a number of issues which frankly were far more important than the candidate. I did not want to let my own vanity (what I feared others would think of giving Trump my support) to compromise my ability to put my hand on the wagon and PUSH. The issues were more important, and to the extent that the candidate was less than ideal, that only made contribution to the effort MORE important. Sure, he still has the flaws. Sure, I'd like something a bit more Reaganesque. But that's not in the offing. so I'm checking horse shoes and sharpening swords for the coming battle. And for the people who claim to be good to get bloody with me I have nothing but disgustipation.

The barbarians are here. People who explicitly reject core tenets of classical liberalism like free speech are inside the walls. The melee is coming. Men, women & children from the village are pouring into the streets with pitchforks and kitchen knives. For a warrior class individual to conclude in such a situation there is moral high ground in avoiding the fray because the prince farts at the dinner table is....well....when the gutting is done there will be plenty of time for those who stood idly by to dig new latrines while I throw tomatoes at them.

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I prefer Reagan's way, have enough fire power that they go and fight over your house...

RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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IMO, supporting Trump in the primary helps the Democrats because it promotes a candidate that can't win the top office.

Why is supporting your preferred candidate a "moral obligation"? Can I escape this "moral obligation" by becoming an independent.

Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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IMO, supporting Trump in the primary helps the Democrats because it promotes a candidate that can't win the top office.

Why is supporting your preferred candidate a "moral obligation"? Can I escape this "moral obligation" by becoming an independent.

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I never said anything about the primaries, and if you read my posts you know that.

I suppose it's easy to ignore what I write and just look for something to pop off about, but that's intellectually dishonest and you are usually better than that.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

---

Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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I agree that Trump's policies were good. Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people.

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.)

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. Tough to make into an either/or situation. Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms.

RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people.

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.)

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. Tough to make into an either/or situation. Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms.

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

---

If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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IMO, supporting Trump in the primary helps the Democrats because it promotes a candidate that can't win the top office.

Why is supporting your preferred candidate a "moral obligation"? Can I escape this "moral obligation" by becoming an independent.

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I never said anything about the primaries, and if you read my posts you know that.

I suppose it's easy to ignore what I write and just look for something to pop off about, but that's intellectually dishonest and you are usually better than that.

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Not at all & I meant no offense. I contend that supporting Trump in the primary is helping Democrats. Supporting your preferred candidate in the general election is not a "moral imperative".

Sorry for my confusing post.

Trump can't and won't win the general election. It was a long shot in 2016 and it is longer now.

Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

---

Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

---

If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people.

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.)

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. Tough to make into an either/or situation. Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms.

---

Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries. I always do

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats. I won't vote for Trump because of 1/6. His actions on 1/6 are a disqualification for me

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Trump isn't the only person who advocates good policies

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

---

Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

---

If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

---

Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

---

If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people.

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.)

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. Tough to make into an either/or situation. Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms.

---

Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries. I always do

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats. I won't vote for Trump because of 1/6. His actions on 1/6 are a disqualification for me

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Trump isn't the only person who advocates good policies

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If it's Trump or a Democrat, any person with an IQ over 60 and a moral compass will choose Trump.

I have already said the primaries are where we push for someone else to carry the GOP mantle.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

---

Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

---

with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

---

As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

---

If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

---

I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

Nor I

---

The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

---

Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

---

The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

---

Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

---

Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

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I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

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I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.

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Including a great deal of malicious fiction.

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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I agree that Trump's policies were good. Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people.

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.)

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. Tough to make into an either/or situation. Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms.

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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If he wins the nomination, I will be voting for him (reluctantly), as the other choice cannot be better than Biden or Clinton and they were horrid!! I can't see the Dems all of a sudden going Joe Lieberman, who was the last Dem I actually thought should at least have been McCain's VP. They are going further left, not more centrist.

"If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. Trump can solve this by not running or being convinced not to run. He knows he's destructive yet he pushes forward, bolstered by this "I'll back him if I have to" madness.

Maybe some of these latest revelations will push him or people around him to advise it's best to sit it out. But I doubt it. This will be another circle the wagons and defend to the death moment for him and the die hards. Populism gone awry.

""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Oldbear83 said:

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Wrong again. No one is kept from running by Trump.

I know some of you have Trump set up as the Boogeyman, but you look stupid for that,

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Oldbear83 said:

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Wrong again. No one is kept from running by Trump.

I know some of you have Trump set up as the Boogeyman, but you look stupid for that,

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"Trump made Ron, and if Ron ran against Trump there would be hell to pay," said a Republican who has discussed DeSantis' and Trump's presidential plans with the former president.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna26714

So tell me more about being wrong.

Your man crush is likely to give the Democrats their only shot to win in 2024.

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Wrong again. No one is kept from running by Trump.

I know some of you have Trump set up as the Boogeyman, but you look stupid for that,

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"Trump made Ron, and if Ron ran against Trump there would be hell to pay," said a Republican who has discussed DeSantis' and Trump's presidential plans with the former president.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna26714

So tell me more about being wrong.

Your man crush is likely to give the Democrats their only shot to win in 2024.

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So you found a Trump-hating source ....


Does not change anything I wrote.

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Oldbear83 said:

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Wrong again. No one is kept from running by Trump.

I know some of you have Trump set up as the Boogeyman, but you look stupid for that,

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You are incredibly naive if you don't think a run by Trump will influence other potential candidates. As far as the Republican base is concerned he would practically be running as an incumbent.

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Wrong again. No one is kept from running by Trump.

I know some of you have Trump set up as the Boogeyman, but you look stupid for that,

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You are incredibly naive if you don't think a run by Trump will influence other potential candidates. As far as the Republican base is concerned he would practically be running as an incumbent.

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Who is leading the 'if the election were today' polls?

That's the point, son.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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""If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. "


Amazing how much this attitude echoes the beliefs of so many Establishment types in 2015.

The hard fact is that Trump is - right now - the man most likely to win election in 2024.

If you want someone else to sit in the Oval Office in 2025, you'd better find them and get them ready for the Primary run right now. But pretending Trump "can't" win is delusional, and imagining he will not run just because you insult him is no better.

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Trump is an impediment for someone else, and is only propped up by your line of thinking, If he'd get the hell out of the way, you'd be surprised who might run.

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Wrong again. No one is kept from running by Trump.

I know some of you have Trump set up as the Boogeyman, but you look stupid for that,

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You are incredibly naive if you don't think a run by Trump will influence other potential candidates. As far as the Republican base is concerned he would practically be running as an incumbent.

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Who is leading the 'if the election were today' polls?

That's the point, son.

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Yeah, a point that totally undermines your argument here. Trump already has a large base of support that no other Republican does. Most candidates will think it's smarter to sit this one out instead of wasting money on a futile contest and antagonizing voters in the process. With luck they could even get an endorsement next time around.

It's funny how you were lecturing on Trump's continuing influence a couple of weeks ago and now you're denying it. Someone says he's over and done, and you attack. Someone says he's still meddling, and you attack. Anything that looks, sounds, or feels the least bit negative must be shouted down. He's the magic candidate, irrelevant and unstoppable at the same time. It's no wonder you worship at his feet.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

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I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.

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Mean tweets? Lol

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

---

I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

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I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.

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Mean tweets? Lol

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Jan 6. LOL

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Rawhide said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

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I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.

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Mean tweets? Lol

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Jan 6. LOL

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Ah yes, the infamous rowdy tourist group that almost took over our government with an elderly unarmed army. Totally erased the year of democrat led riots over every crackhead of color that got themselves shot while fighting with police.