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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.

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Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.

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with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.

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As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .

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If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.

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I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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Nor I

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The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House

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Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.

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Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.

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The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House

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Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.

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I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0

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Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.

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And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.

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If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.

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I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.

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Mean tweets? Lol

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Jan 6. LOL

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Ah yes, the infamous rowdy tourist group that almost took over our government with an elderly unarmed army. Totally erased the year of democrat led riots over every crackhead of color that got themselves shot while fighting with police.

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The rowdy tourists who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy and testifying against your Oath Keepers?

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Ooh, are they up to three whole convictions now? Those unarmed rowdy tourists almost had control, too.

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So was it 3 or were you just making up stuff again?

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was it four? Four convictions?

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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I didn't deny reality. I stated it. Sure, it doesn't comport to the false equivalency you are borrowing from the left, but you should quit playing with that thing and go wash your hands. There is no clean end to it, you know. It stinks until you flush it.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Your undying moral support for Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer et al is noted.

With appropriate contempt.

The plain fact, Sam, is that there has not been a morally decent Democrat nominated for President in the last quarter-century.

Your desperate fixation to blame Trump for everything blinds you to this fact.

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Looky here. No argument, just insults

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Oh, there's a perfectly valid argument there, Sam.

Ironically you keep proving my other complaints correct by missing them over and over.

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Do you have an argument, Hillary?

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Already answered.

And you don't have to sign your posts as 'Hillary'.

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Okay Hillary Biden

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Wow, a new sig.


Glad to meet you Ms. Biden, I'm Daniel, posting under OldBear83.

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Poor Oldbear Biden Clinton Schumer
(I guess you'll call that an argument)

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"If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. Trump can solve this by not running or being convinced not to run. He knows he's destructive yet he pushes forward, bolstered by this "I'll back him if I have to" madness.

Maybe some of these latest revelations will push him or people around him to advise it's best to sit it out. But I doubt it. This will be another circle the wagons and defend to the death moment for him and the die hards. Populism gone awry.

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Tone deaf??? Trump is running. He is going to come down the gold elevator again.

I agree with you he gives Dems best shot at winning. They will resort to same tactics they used last time unsolicited ballots mailed, vote harvesting and vote drop off boxes. If Trump runs it will be no holds barred.

But if you belief Trump will not run for the good of anyone, other than himself. You are crazy.

Sad thing, him versus a Dem who are you voting for? Like it or not????

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I believe Trump has and always will only run for the good of himself. I'm trying to convince others why that's a bad thing, but all I get is an odd defense about polls and "I'll vote for him if I have to". Maybe if more people would say, no I won't vote for him, and he knew it, he'd either be defeated or figure out an ungraceful exit.

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I want "have" to vote for Trump. I'll cast my ballot with zero issues.

And all our politicians run for the good of themselves, especially liberals. Wake up dude.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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Unless, you know, you look at the videos of people merely taking photos, staying within the velvet ropes and the police backing up and ushering people inside...

Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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No one said velvet ropes, rowdy tourists or such. Those that broke in to demonstrate after law enforcement said they couldn't, should be prosecuted to the full extend. Nobody has disagreed with that.

However, you and others are making this into more than it was. Insurrection? Coup to take over? Come on, they were taking selfies, no weapons, and no coordination with other attacks. Some "Insurrection Coup"! A platoon of National Guard could have broke up that gaggle. A&M's Corps of Cadets could have handled crowd control.

Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be. They did great harm to the GOP.

But, the Dems are doing just as much harm by pushing this as something it wasn't . By the way, I and half the world watched it on TV that day, I have a pretty good idea of the flavor of the event. There should be prosecutions no doubt, but many were more fines than jail time!

RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be.

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That is false and is being proven more and more false each day as the government marshals its evidence.

Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

---

It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

---

True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

---

Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

---

Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be.

---

That is false and is being proven more and more false each day as the government marshals its evidence.

---

You really think that uncoordinated, half-assed and unprofessional crowd storming the Capitol was a coup attempt??? Did you serve? Have you seen how coordinated attacks occur and how they look? That was not a serious coup attempt or even an attempt to control the site. It was a bunch of idiots running around with cell phones. Some in costumes!!!

RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

---

It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

---

I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

---

Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

---

True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

---

Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

---

Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be.

---

That is false and is being proven more and more false each day as the government marshals its evidence.

---

You really think that uncoordinated, half-assed and unprofessional crowd storming the Capitol was a coup attempt??? Did you serve? Have you seen how coordinated attacks occur and how they look? That was not a serious coup attempt or even an attempt to control the site. It was a bunch of idiots running around with cell phones. Some in costumes!!!

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A stupid, incompetent bank robber is still a bank robber. look at the intent
From the OP

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."

Osodecentx said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

---

It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

---

I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

---

True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

---

Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

---

Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be.

---

That is false and is being proven more and more false each day as the government marshals its evidence.

---

You really think that uncoordinated, half-assed and unprofessional crowd storming the Capitol was a coup attempt??? Did you serve? Have you seen how coordinated attacks occur and how they look? That was not a serious coup attempt or even an attempt to control the site. It was a bunch of idiots running around with cell phones. Some in costumes!!!

---

A stupid, incompetent bank robber is still a bank robber. look at the intent
From the OP

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."

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None of that is a coup or even an insurrect, it is a stretch to prove what you are saying. These people need to be prosecuted and this guy serve prison time. But, it is not what the Dems or the Media is trying to make it. Sorry, it is serious, it deserves law enforcement attention and arrests. It also screams psychological evaluation, but it is not what the Dems are selling. Just my opinion.

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Osodecentx said:

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Your undying moral support for Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer et al is noted.

With appropriate contempt.

The plain fact, Sam, is that there has not been a morally decent Democrat nominated for President in the last quarter-century.

Your desperate fixation to blame Trump for everything blinds you to this fact.

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Looky here. No argument, just insults

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Oh, there's a perfectly valid argument there, Sam.

Ironically you keep proving my other complaints correct by missing them over and over.

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Do you have an argument, Hillary?

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Already answered.

And you don't have to sign your posts as 'Hillary'.

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Okay Hillary Biden

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Wow, a new sig.


Glad to meet you Ms. Biden, I'm Daniel, posting under OldBear83.

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Poor Oldbear Biden Clinton Schumer
(I guess you'll call that an argument)

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You do a lot of name-calling for someone who claims to care only about substance.

And I observe you ignore insults when they are delivered by someone you like.

Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

---

It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

---

I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

---

Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

---

True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

---

Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

---

Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be.

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That is false and is being proven more and more false each day as the government marshals its evidence.

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Thank you for confirming your opinion, Stasi Sam.

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"If he wins the nomination"…. Some of you are tone deaf. The guy shouldn't even be in the primary. He shouldn't even be a candidate. Trump can solve this by not running or being convinced not to run. He knows he's destructive yet he pushes forward, bolstered by this "I'll back him if I have to" madness.

Maybe some of these latest revelations will push him or people around him to advise it's best to sit it out. But I doubt it. This will be another circle the wagons and defend to the death moment for him and the die hards. Populism gone awry.

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Tone deaf??? Trump is running. He is going to come down the gold elevator again.

I agree with you he gives Dems best shot at winning. They will resort to same tactics they used last time unsolicited ballots mailed, vote harvesting and vote drop off boxes. If Trump runs it will be no holds barred.

But if you belief Trump will not run for the good of anyone, other than himself. You are crazy.

Sad thing, him versus a Dem who are you voting for? Like it or not????

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I believe Trump has and always will only run for the good of himself. I'm trying to convince others why that's a bad thing, but all I get is an odd defense about polls and "I'll vote for him if I have to". Maybe if more people would say, no I won't vote for him, and he knew it, he'd either be defeated or figure out an ungraceful exit.

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I want "have" to vote for Trump. I'll cast my ballot with zero issues.

And all our politicians run for the good of themselves, especially liberals. Wake up dude.

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Wide awake. Trying to wake some of you others up.

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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Making a bunch of idiots blowing off steam to be heard by Congress into a calculated, threat to the US Government and Democracy as a whole is ridiculous. They should be prosecuted, but this whole "right wing conspiracy" to overthrow the Govt? No way. It was a publicity stunt to get the attention of Congress that went bad and was not received as the idiots thought it would be.

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That is false and is being proven more and more false each day as the government marshals its evidence.

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You really think that uncoordinated, half-assed and unprofessional crowd storming the Capitol was a coup attempt??? Did you serve? Have you seen how coordinated attacks occur and how they look? That was not a serious coup attempt or even an attempt to control the site. It was a bunch of idiots running around with cell phones. Some in costumes!!!

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A stupid, incompetent bank robber is still a bank robber. look at the intent
From the OP

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."

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Still not an insurrection. These actions can't be considered a rebellion or revolt. Protest/riot that got out of hand, regardless of whatever pre planning they intended. I don't think there is any question that the rally was intended to disrupt the certification. Most just participated with the intent of expressing displeasure and being loud. When it moved to criminal actions to do it, that's where the line was crossed. Those who preplanned criminal actions are certainly guilty of potential conspiracy, but that still doesn't make it an insurrection or coup. And yes, I think Trump and others were participants in getting them riled up even prior to the rally.

Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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so, what does it sound like when the other side lies to us?

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

---

True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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Unless, you know, you look at the videos of people merely taking photos, staying within the velvet ropes and the police backing up and ushering people inside...

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Don't bother with video. Sam won't belive it. When shown video of cops letting people, he still tried to argue against. Sam is a buffoon. No one should be like Sam.

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your undying moral support for Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer et al is noted.

With appropriate contempt.

The plain fact, Sam, is that there has not been a morally decent Democrat nominated for President in the last quarter-century.

Your desperate fixation to blame Trump for everything blinds you to this fact.

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Looky here. No argument, just insults

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Oh, there's a perfectly valid argument there, Sam.

Ironically you keep proving my other complaints correct by missing them over and over.

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Do you have an argument, Hillary?

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Already answered.

And you don't have to sign your posts as 'Hillary'.

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Okay Hillary Biden

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Wow, a new sig.


Glad to meet you Ms. Biden, I'm Daniel, posting under OldBear83.

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Poor Oldbear Biden Clinton Schumer
(I guess you'll call that an argument)

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You do a lot of name-calling for someone who claims to care only about substance.

And I observe you ignore insults when they are delivered by someone you like.

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Poor Stasi Oldbear Schumer

Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

---

It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

---

I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

---

True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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so, what does it sound like when the other side lies to us?

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Just like y'all do. Mostly peaceful protests, no national organization, FBI provocateurs, etc.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your undying moral support for Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer et al is noted.

With appropriate contempt.

The plain fact, Sam, is that there has not been a morally decent Democrat nominated for President in the last quarter-century.

Your desperate fixation to blame Trump for everything blinds you to this fact.

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Looky here. No argument, just insults

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Oh, there's a perfectly valid argument there, Sam.

Ironically you keep proving my other complaints correct by missing them over and over.

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Do you have an argument, Hillary?

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Already answered.

And you don't have to sign your posts as 'Hillary'.

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Okay Hillary Biden

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Wow, a new sig.


Glad to meet you Ms. Biden, I'm Daniel, posting under OldBear83.

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Poor Oldbear Biden Clinton Schumer
(I guess you'll call that an argument)

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You do a lot of name-calling for someone who claims to care only about substance.

And I observe you ignore insults when they are delivered by someone you like.

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Poor Stasi Oldbear Schumer

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Fine, just don't pretend to stand on higher moral ground the next time you throw a tantrum.

And you only got the 'Oldbear' part correct. The rest pertain to Sam far more than myself, not that you would ever admit it.

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your undying moral support for Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer et al is noted.

With appropriate contempt.

The plain fact, Sam, is that there has not been a morally decent Democrat nominated for President in the last quarter-century.

Your desperate fixation to blame Trump for everything blinds you to this fact.

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Looky here. No argument, just insults

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Oh, there's a perfectly valid argument there, Sam.

Ironically you keep proving my other complaints correct by missing them over and over.

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Do you have an argument, Hillary?

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Already answered.

And you don't have to sign your posts as 'Hillary'.

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Okay Hillary Biden

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Wow, a new sig.


Glad to meet you Ms. Biden, I'm Daniel, posting under OldBear83.

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Poor Oldbear Biden Clinton Schumer
(I guess you'll call that an argument)

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You do a lot of name-calling for someone who claims to care only about substance.

And I observe you ignore insults when they are delivered by someone you like.

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Poor Stasi Oldbear Schumer

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Fine, just don't pretend to stand on higher moral ground the next time you throw a tantrum.

And you only got the 'Oldbear' part correct. The rest pertain to Sam far more than myself, not that you would ever admit it.

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I figured this was the currency you dealt with.
Here's one of your greatest "arguments" Brown Shirt Oldbear

Sam Biden: "Yeah, a point that totally undermines your argument here."

Rather the opposite, but I realize you cannot see past your assumptions.

Sam Biden: "Trump already has a large base of support that no other Republican does."

Which is really meaningless. Trump was not even considered a serious contender when he announced in 2015, but passed the field, lapped them really, in 2016.

Obama was not the leader when he announced, either. Nor Clinton, nor GHW Bush in his time. Now it's true Reagan and George W led their packs wire to wire, but none of that kept anyone else from running.

History shows you wrong again and again, Sam

Sam Biden: "Most candidates will think it's smarter to sit this one out instead of wasting money on a futile contest and antagonizing voters in the process. With luck they could even get an endorsement next time around."

An assumption based on nothing but your imagination, and unworthy of several potential contenders.


Sam Biden: "It's funny how you were lecturing on Trump's continuing influence a couple of weeks ago and now you're denying it."

Sad how Sam always falls back to lying about me. I have been consistent all along about Trump's influence because of his record. That never meant and I never said nor implied that Trump running would mean an empty field.

Spite lowers one's mental acuity, it appears, judging from Sam's inability to understand the difference between influence and control.


Sam Biden: " Someone says he's over and done, and you attack. Someone says he's still meddling, and you attack."

No son, I rebut, not attack. Something you cannot do, it appears, for all your misuse of the word 'debunked' over the last several months.



Sam Biden: "Anything that looks, sounds, or feels the least bit negative must be shouted down. He's the magic candidate, irrelevant and unstoppable at the same time. It's no wonder you worship at his feet."

Seriously, what kind of drugs are you on that you post that level of crap, Sam? I have always been direct about the fact that Trump was not my first choice in 2016, nor my second or third, but that I voted for him when the alternative was Hillary. I have always been clear about the limits of Trump to speak without getting into trouble, and the sometimes short-sighted character of his appointments to his staff.

But I never abandoned or ignored his accomplishments, nor the sound character of his policies, something you have been completely unwilling to do pretty much since Trump took office, despite your wet-pantied protests to the contrary, Sam.

I judge Trump in the balance, and unless/until someone better shows up running for the office, the sound and rational choice remains to support Trump, warts and all.

But you are so engrossed in channeling your own version of Amber Heard, that such reason is impossible for you to grasp.

Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You simply refuse to recognize extremism on the right. But it does exist, and it's not just bad manners or "mean tweets." It is a rejection of core American values as surely as BLM and Antifa are.

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I don't see much. The right pole in the GOP is Ron Paul. Yes, in society there are large but statistically insignificant numbers nazis, and white supremacists, and KKK folks,......but the ones who are not in prison are out in the trailer park giving one another tattoos between runs to buy/sell crystal meth. Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are indeed extremists, but also notably not Republicans and they number in hundreds, not thousands. etc.... They did not organize the demonstration at the Capitol, and neither did they instigate the (limited) outbreak of violence.

Literally all the mobs are leftists. Not one of the nearly 600 documented riots totaling over $2b in property damage in 2020 were perpetrated by an angry right wing mob coursing through the street. The people in nightly phalanx struggles with federal police over control of a federal building? leftists. The people who seized a police station and set up a 6 square block of autonomous territory? Leftists. The thugs entering a public restaurant and backing patrons up against the wall screaming them to "say the words!" Leftists. The mob who broke down a gate and threatened armed homeowners on their doorstep? Leftists. The people burning cities block by block? Leftists. The people shooting cops in the back? Leftists. All the people beating up on Jews and Asians? Not Republicans. No Republicans or even right wing radicals surrounded Kennedy's house after Obergefell. Not only do Republicans not cancel anyone on social media, they can't obtain or keep employment anywhere in Silicon Valley. Republicans are silencing anyone at school board meetings, etc..... Republicans are not the anti-science mask mandate crowd, or the mandatory vaccination crowd. Republicans are not using state power to suppress their opponents.

Republicans are not the problem here.
Republicans are not the current threat to liberty.
Democrats are.
Democrats have become patently authoritarian bigots.
Ordinary people can see that.
And ordinary people hate bullies.
That's why Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them the next couple of election cycles.

The left has left the bridge of classical liberalism. The right remains squarely on it, and has finally decided that it needs defending. You and Canada (for different reasons) are not going to participate in the fight. You are standing on the right bank looking back out into an empty landscape to conjure demons, because the Frankfurt School tells us that tyranny can only come from the right. Canada has decided the general has bad breath and retired to the 1st tee box. Meanwhile, the leftist militias drive a SCOTUS justice from his home over a draft ruling that will enjoy support of a majority of the public. Obviously, DJT is responsible for all of these problems, because he looked the barbarians in the eye and said, figuratively, "Foxtrot Uniform."

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It's the Oath Keepers who are pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy, not Ron Paul.

There's a saying that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You have a lot of good insight on cultural and theoretical topics like the Frankfurt School, but the Frankfurt School is not the answer to every question. Pretending tyranny can only come from the right makes as much sense as pretending it can only come from the left.

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I have often stated here and elsewhere that tyranny exists on both the right and the left.

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Sure, you pay lip service to the idea while denying the reality at every turn. It's the same instinct we see on the mainstream left. Unfortunately it guts the credibility of your argument. It's sad because you have a lot to offer. Again, put away the hammer. The Jan. 6 mob wasn't reading Marcuse.

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True that one part of the Jan 6th crowd should not have broken into Congress, they should be prosecuted. No doubt.

But, to call that mob an insurrection or a true attempt of coup is laughable. It was a mob that got out of control, not much different than happened in numerous othe States in 2020. Jan 6th was politicized by the left. That is the true damage those idiots did, they gave the left ammo to characterize the Right as militant and dangerous. Although I do find it interesting that ANTIFA is an idea that does not exist (black masks and weapons) but right wing is dangerous.

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Both sides like to pretend their insurrectionists don't exist. Both sides are lying to you. Every time you hear about "rowdy tourists," velvet ropes, and cops rolling out the red carpet, know that you're being lied to.

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so, what does it sound like when the other side lies to us?

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Just like y'all do. Mostly peaceful protests, no national organization, FBI provocateurs, etc.

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Is that like: just 2 weeks to flatten the curve, you must get vaxxed to protect others, vaccine will end covid, no mask needed if you been vaxxed, you must stand 6 feet apart and you need to get boosted, not once, not twice, but three times.

Then there's my favorite, "this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated"

Ahhh, but we were discussing your demand that people never react except with calm, complete logic.

You have quite abandoned that position, Oso.

A popular behavior, but again it disqualifies you from harrumphing with any credibility when someone chooses to riposte in the common manner.

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You have quite abandoned that position, Oso.

A popular behavior, but again it disqualifies you from harrumphing with any credibility when someone chooses to riposte in the common manner.

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When it comes to you, I've given up.

We agree that insults instead of argument is a DQ. I have joined you in the snarkaverse. This is for you

Poor fascist Oldbear Pelosi.

Controlling the site wasn't the point. It was an attempt to trigger martial law and military action to halt the transfer of power.

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Oldbear83 said:

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You have quite abandoned that position, Oso.

A popular behavior, but again it disqualifies you from harrumphing with any credibility when someone chooses to riposte in the common manner.

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When it comes to you, I've given up.

We agree that insults instead of argument is a DQ. I have joined you in the snarkaverse. This is for you

Poor fascist Oldbear Pelosi.

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Osodecentx said:

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You have quite abandoned that position, Oso.

A popular behavior, but again it disqualifies you from harrumphing with any credibility when someone chooses to riposte in the common manner.

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When it comes to you, I've given up.

We agree that insults instead of argument is a DQ. I have joined you in the snarkaverse. This is for you

Poor fascist Oldbear Pelosi.

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He deserves an 8

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Osodecentx said:

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You have quite abandoned that position, Oso.

A popular behavior, but again it disqualifies you from harrumphing with any credibility when someone chooses to riposte in the common manner.

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When it comes to you, I've given up.

We agree that insults instead of argument is a DQ. I have joined you in the snarkaverse. This is for you

Poor fascist Oldbear Pelosi.

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... and I notice Oso still ignores Sam's rants and whines.

Oh well, the world continues to orbit the Sun, Hunter is out showing the world what a Biden is all about, and 'winning' an Internet feud is worth about as much as stock in Circuit City or Blockbuster Video.

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Controlling the site wasn't the point. It was an attempt to trigger martial law and military action to halt the transfer of power.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Controlling the site wasn't the point. It was an attempt to trigger martial law and military action to halt the transfer of power.

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Just Security has located and reviewed appearances by the Oath Keepers on the podcast -- Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock -- and reviewed four episodes that feature members of the Oath Keepers including Vallejo and Rhodes.

Morning of January 6th, 2021: Vallejo and Kandaris describe their arrival in Washington DC, participation in events including serving as security for prominent figures, and plans for the day ahead. Listening to the audio reveals the intensity of Vallejo's expressed intent to escalate if events do not work in Trump's direction, and the two discuss the important role of the U.S. military.

Kandaris says: "We have a little bit of inside information with the powers that would oppose the powers that be, but this is a tinderbox. It just is a question of what is the precipitating event."

Vallejo: I'm just praying to God that Trump has his head on ****ing straight and he knows what he's doing. He's got the machinations behind him. He's got all the proof in the world, and he's gonna bring the hammer down.

Kandaris: This is, as we say, that moment of truth. … The people who controlled Rome controlled the army, okay. They controlled the military. If you have the loyalty of the military, then the rest doesn't matter. And we can make anything pretty and modern about it. But that brutal truth is still the determining factor about who controls what. So if he has the military behind him, Trump will win. If he does not, he won't.

Hancock: Well, what do you think?

Vallejo: I don't have enough inside information to know, but my inclination is that he probably does.

https://www.justsecurity.org/79889/exclusive-the-oath-keeper-podcast-interviews-new-insights-into-jan-6-and-continued-threats/

Sam Lowry said:

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Just Security has located and reviewed appearances by the Oath Keepers on the podcast -- Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock -- and reviewed four episodes that feature members of the Oath Keepers including Vallejo and Rhodes.

Morning of January 6th, 2021: Vallejo and Kandaris describe their arrival in Washington DC, participation in events including serving as security for prominent figures, and plans for the day ahead. Listening to the audio reveals the intensity of Vallejo's expressed intent to escalate if events do not work in Trump's direction, and the two discuss the important role of the U.S. military.

Kandaris says: "We have a little bit of inside information with the powers that would oppose the powers that be, but this is a tinderbox. It just is a question of what is the precipitating event."

Vallejo: I'm just praying to God that Trump has his head on ****ing straight and he knows what he's doing. He's got the machinations behind him. He's got all the proof in the world, and he's gonna bring the hammer down.

Kandaris: This is, as we say, that moment of truth. … The people who controlled Rome controlled the army, okay. They controlled the military. If you have the loyalty of the military, then the rest doesn't matter. And we can make anything pretty and modern about it. But that brutal truth is still the determining factor about who controls what. So if he has the military behind him, Trump will win. If he does not, he won't.

Hancock: Well, what do you think?

Vallejo: I don't have enough inside information to know, but my inclination is that he probably does.

https://www.justsecurity.org/79889/exclusive-the-oath-keeper-podcast-interviews-new-insights-into-jan-6-and-continued-threats/

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Like I said, crazy talk from a couple of nut jobs. Put them in jail.

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Just Security has located and reviewed appearances by the Oath Keepers on the podcast -- Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock -- and reviewed four episodes that feature members of the Oath Keepers including Vallejo and Rhodes.

Morning of January 6th, 2021: Vallejo and Kandaris describe their arrival in Washington DC, participation in events including serving as security for prominent figures, and plans for the day ahead. Listening to the audio reveals the intensity of Vallejo's expressed intent to escalate if events do not work in Trump's direction, and the two discuss the important role of the U.S. military.

Kandaris says: "We have a little bit of inside information with the powers that would oppose the powers that be, but this is a tinderbox. It just is a question of what is the precipitating event."

Vallejo: I'm just praying to God that Trump has his head on ****ing straight and he knows what he's doing. He's got the machinations behind him. He's got all the proof in the world, and he's gonna bring the hammer down.

Kandaris: This is, as we say, that moment of truth. … The people who controlled Rome controlled the army, okay. They controlled the military. If you have the loyalty of the military, then the rest doesn't matter. And we can make anything pretty and modern about it. But that brutal truth is still the determining factor about who controls what. So if he has the military behind him, Trump will win. If he does not, he won't.

Hancock: Well, what do you think?

Vallejo: I don't have enough inside information to know, but my inclination is that he probably does.

https://www.justsecurity.org/79889/exclusive-the-oath-keeper-podcast-interviews-new-insights-into-jan-6-and-continued-threats/

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Like I said, crazy talk from a couple of nut jobs. Put them in jail.

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More than a couple. This was a public interview. Along with statements on the Oath Keepers website, Twitter, and other media, it's part of what drew the mob to the Capitol.

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Just Security has located and reviewed appearances by the Oath Keepers on the podcast -- Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock -- and reviewed four episodes that feature members of the Oath Keepers including Vallejo and Rhodes.

Morning of January 6th, 2021: Vallejo and Kandaris describe their arrival in Washington DC, participation in events including serving as security for prominent figures, and plans for the day ahead. Listening to the audio reveals the intensity of Vallejo's expressed intent to escalate if events do not work in Trump's direction, and the two discuss the important role of the U.S. military.

Kandaris says: "We have a little bit of inside information with the powers that would oppose the powers that be, but this is a tinderbox. It just is a question of what is the precipitating event."

Vallejo: I'm just praying to God that Trump has his head on ****ing straight and he knows what he's doing. He's got the machinations behind him. He's got all the proof in the world, and he's gonna bring the hammer down.

Kandaris: This is, as we say, that moment of truth. … The people who controlled Rome controlled the army, okay. They controlled the military. If you have the loyalty of the military, then the rest doesn't matter. And we can make anything pretty and modern about it. But that brutal truth is still the determining factor about who controls what. So if he has the military behind him, Trump will win. If he does not, he won't.

Hancock: Well, what do you think?

Vallejo: I don't have enough inside information to know, but my inclination is that he probably does.

https://www.justsecurity.org/79889/exclusive-the-oath-keeper-podcast-interviews-new-insights-into-jan-6-and-continued-threats/

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Like I said, crazy talk from a couple of nut jobs. Put them in jail.

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More than a couple. This was a public interview. Along with statements on the Oath Keepers website, Twitter, and other media, it's part of what drew the mob to the Capitol.

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like I said, a couple of nut jobs. Anybody with a lick of sense knows that he didn't have the military generals behind him for an uncomstitutional coup. They were public statements from the military generals. No matter who discussed what, Trump was never going to order martial law unless it was to protect the people of Congress so they could do their jobs. They had no chance like succeeding because our government doesn't work that way