Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others

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Sam Lowry
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

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4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

The committee investigated your "infiltrator" and determined that he didn't work for the FBI
What is his name and what has he been charged with and when was he arrested?
And here come the conspiracy theories...
he clearly on video did bad things.. why no charges? This isnt a conspiracy theory, it is fact. He is on video on jan 5th and jan 6th promoting storming the capital yet no charges..

Come on Sam, this is a slam dunk win for the Jan 6 prosecution based on the evidence
There were a lot of people there. The government isn't obligated to prosecute all of them just to prove they're not FBI agents. This guy apparently never entered the building and was trying to de-escalate confrontation with the police. They'd have to prosecute him solely based on his speech, which is always tricky.
The FBI visited (separately, simultaneously) the offices to a husband/wife pair here in Waco who attended the Trump Rally on the mall, started walking toward Congress, but age & neuropathy soon got the better of them. So they took a selfie with the Capitol building off in the distance and headed for the Metro, thence motel & car and left the DC area that day.

FBI showed them a copy of that selfie the took and asked them what they were doing in the Capitol that day.

They are investigating every single person who left a digital signal in WDC that day.


Yes, and presumably they investigated your guy at some point while he was on a list of unidentified suspects and before they decided he wasn't worth pursuing. Just like they did with who knows how many others. All of that adds up to exactly zero evidence that he worked for the FBI. It was a rumor that took off on social media because you and others needed it to be true.
LOL..."presumably....." Could that be an appeal to ignorance seasoned with a sprinkle of "ought is." You haven't heard it happened, therefore it didn't happen (to infer it certainly should not have happened.)

Just so you know, putting "cover memos" in files of intelligence sources to obscure the operation is SOP. I have personally written them, to make anyone who might see that file think the operation ended unsuccessfully, when in fact the operation succeeded wildly and went on to generate highly valuable intelligence under a completely new codename (and other stuff to obscure trails....)

Yes, all of that is still subject to congressional oversight.
Zero chance that oversight happens in open hearings.
Zero.

More likely, this guy was put on ice. No clandestine source or agent provocateur who caught so much spotlight has much of a future, particularly in the internet age.

He manifestly had as much insurrectionist intent (or intent to interfere with govt process, or destruction of govt property, or trespassing, etc.....) as anyone prosecuted thus far. Those O/Ks on a golf cart who missed the whole thing didn't do as much. I mean, not even a disorderly conduct charge for trying to ignite an insurrection that you insist did, in fact, happen? Such sober-handedness is very uncharacteristic of you on this subject.

So, again, why don't we know his name?


His name is Ray Epps. It's been known since January. He was interviewed privately by both the FBI and the Jan. 6 committee. Without any evidence to the contrary, one would presume that his case was handled like hundreds of others. Instead you ask us to believe for no particular reason that he was an agent provocateur. That's an appeal to ignorance.
people who did less are in jail. Why is that?
No people accused of minor offenses are being held without bail.

People have been convicted of offenses including Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building, Assaulting, resisting, or impeding law enforcement officers, Obstruction of an official proceeding, Civil disorder, Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon, Conspiracy, Seditious conspiracy, Obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder, Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees using a dangerous weapon, Disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; Engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; Impeding passage through the Capitol grounds or buildings, Act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings, Theft of government property, Destruction of government property, Conspiracy to disrupt an official proceeding, Posession of an unregistered firearm, Carrying a pistol without a license, Climbing on US Capitol Grounds, Threats in interstate communications, Obstruction of Congress, Felony obstruction of Congress, and Illegally demonstrating inside the US Capitol.

Epps does not appear to have committed any of these crimes.
I count five for which there is video evidence.
Please list them.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

The committee investigated your "infiltrator" and determined that he didn't work for the FBI
What is his name and what has he been charged with and when was he arrested?
And here come the conspiracy theories...
he clearly on video did bad things.. why no charges? This isnt a conspiracy theory, it is fact. He is on video on jan 5th and jan 6th promoting storming the capital yet no charges..

Come on Sam, this is a slam dunk win for the Jan 6 prosecution based on the evidence
There were a lot of people there. The government isn't obligated to prosecute all of them just to prove they're not FBI agents. This guy apparently never entered the building and was trying to de-escalate confrontation with the police. They'd have to prosecute him solely based on his speech, which is always tricky.
The FBI visited (separately, simultaneously) the offices to a husband/wife pair here in Waco who attended the Trump Rally on the mall, started walking toward Congress, but age & neuropathy soon got the better of them. So they took a selfie with the Capitol building off in the distance and headed for the Metro, thence motel & car and left the DC area that day.

FBI showed them a copy of that selfie the took and asked them what they were doing in the Capitol that day.

They are investigating every single person who left a digital signal in WDC that day.


Yes, and presumably they investigated your guy at some point while he was on a list of unidentified suspects and before they decided he wasn't worth pursuing. Just like they did with who knows how many others. All of that adds up to exactly zero evidence that he worked for the FBI. It was a rumor that took off on social media because you and others needed it to be true.
LOL..."presumably....." Could that be an appeal to ignorance seasoned with a sprinkle of "ought is." You haven't heard it happened, therefore it didn't happen (to infer it certainly should not have happened.)

Just so you know, putting "cover memos" in files of intelligence sources to obscure the operation is SOP. I have personally written them, to make anyone who might see that file think the operation ended unsuccessfully, when in fact the operation succeeded wildly and went on to generate highly valuable intelligence under a completely new codename (and other stuff to obscure trails....)

Yes, all of that is still subject to congressional oversight.
Zero chance that oversight happens in open hearings.
Zero.

More likely, this guy was put on ice. No clandestine source or agent provocateur who caught so much spotlight has much of a future, particularly in the internet age.

He manifestly had as much insurrectionist intent (or intent to interfere with govt process, or destruction of govt property, or trespassing, etc.....) as anyone prosecuted thus far. Those O/Ks on a golf cart who missed the whole thing didn't do as much. I mean, not even a disorderly conduct charge for trying to ignite an insurrection that you insist did, in fact, happen? Such sober-handedness is very uncharacteristic of you on this subject.

So, again, why don't we know his name?


His name is Ray Epps. It's been known since January. He was interviewed privately by both the FBI and the Jan. 6 committee. Without any evidence to the contrary, one would presume that his case was handled like hundreds of others. Instead you ask us to believe for no particular reason that he was an agent provocateur. That's an appeal to ignorance.
people who did less are in jail. Why is that?
No people accused of minor offenses are being held without bail.

People have been convicted of offenses including Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building, Assaulting, resisting, or impeding law enforcement officers, Obstruction of an official proceeding, Civil disorder, Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon, Conspiracy, Seditious conspiracy, Obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder, Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees using a dangerous weapon, Disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; Engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; Impeding passage through the Capitol grounds or buildings, Act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings, Theft of government property, Destruction of government property, Conspiracy to disrupt an official proceeding, Posession of an unregistered firearm, Carrying a pistol without a license, Climbing on US Capitol Grounds, Threats in interstate communications, Obstruction of Congress, Felony obstruction of Congress, and Illegally demonstrating inside the US Capitol.

Epps does not appear to have committed any of these crimes.
I count five for which there is video evidence.
Please list them.
Don't bother Whiterock. Sam always expects other people to do things, but never keeps his own worthless promises.

Sam is becoming this board's Biden.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
HuMcK
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Seems like a loose version of the plan was for the Capitol breach to force Pence to leave and halt proceedings, that's what the Proud Boys were there for, then Grassley would step in as President Pro Tempore of the Senate (https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/) and throw the relevant electors out and transfer the issue to House state delegations to decide. If that sounds familiar, it's because Oldbear83 and others were advocating for exactly that (but with Pence, who ultimately proved unwilling, instead of Grassley). Pence caught wind and refused to leave the building.

Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

The committee investigated your "infiltrator" and determined that he didn't work for the FBI
What is his name and what has he been charged with and when was he arrested?
And here come the conspiracy theories...
he clearly on video did bad things.. why no charges? This isnt a conspiracy theory, it is fact. He is on video on jan 5th and jan 6th promoting storming the capital yet no charges..

Come on Sam, this is a slam dunk win for the Jan 6 prosecution based on the evidence
There were a lot of people there. The government isn't obligated to prosecute all of them just to prove they're not FBI agents. This guy apparently never entered the building and was trying to de-escalate confrontation with the police. They'd have to prosecute him solely based on his speech, which is always tricky.
The FBI visited (separately, simultaneously) the offices to a husband/wife pair here in Waco who attended the Trump Rally on the mall, started walking toward Congress, but age & neuropathy soon got the better of them. So they took a selfie with the Capitol building off in the distance and headed for the Metro, thence motel & car and left the DC area that day.

FBI showed them a copy of that selfie the took and asked them what they were doing in the Capitol that day.

They are investigating every single person who left a digital signal in WDC that day.


Yes, and presumably they investigated your guy at some point while he was on a list of unidentified suspects and before they decided he wasn't worth pursuing. Just like they did with who knows how many others. All of that adds up to exactly zero evidence that he worked for the FBI. It was a rumor that took off on social media because you and others needed it to be true.
LOL..."presumably....." Could that be an appeal to ignorance seasoned with a sprinkle of "ought is." You haven't heard it happened, therefore it didn't happen (to infer it certainly should not have happened.)

Just so you know, putting "cover memos" in files of intelligence sources to obscure the operation is SOP. I have personally written them, to make anyone who might see that file think the operation ended unsuccessfully, when in fact the operation succeeded wildly and went on to generate highly valuable intelligence under a completely new codename (and other stuff to obscure trails....)

Yes, all of that is still subject to congressional oversight.
Zero chance that oversight happens in open hearings.
Zero.

More likely, this guy was put on ice. No clandestine source or agent provocateur who caught so much spotlight has much of a future, particularly in the internet age.

He manifestly had as much insurrectionist intent (or intent to interfere with govt process, or destruction of govt property, or trespassing, etc.....) as anyone prosecuted thus far. Those O/Ks on a golf cart who missed the whole thing didn't do as much. I mean, not even a disorderly conduct charge for trying to ignite an insurrection that you insist did, in fact, happen? Such sober-handedness is very uncharacteristic of you on this subject.

So, again, why don't we know his name?


His name is Ray Epps. It's been known since January. He was interviewed privately by both the FBI and the Jan. 6 committee. Without any evidence to the contrary, one would presume that his case was handled like hundreds of others. Instead you ask us to believe for no particular reason that he was an agent provocateur. That's an appeal to ignorance.
people who did less are in jail. Why is that?
No people accused of minor offenses are being held without bail.

People have been convicted of offenses including Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building, Assaulting, resisting, or impeding law enforcement officers, Obstruction of an official proceeding, Civil disorder, Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon, Conspiracy, Seditious conspiracy, Obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder, Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees using a dangerous weapon, Disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; Engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; Impeding passage through the Capitol grounds or buildings, Act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings, Theft of government property, Destruction of government property, Conspiracy to disrupt an official proceeding, Posession of an unregistered firearm, Carrying a pistol without a license, Climbing on US Capitol Grounds, Threats in interstate communications, Obstruction of Congress, Felony obstruction of Congress, and Illegally demonstrating inside the US Capitol.

Epps does not appear to have committed any of these crimes.
I count five for which there is video evidence.
Please list them.
Don't bother Whiterock. Sam always expects other people to do things, but never keeps his own worthless promises.

Sam is becoming this board's Biden.
You're a weird guy.
Oldbear83
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You lied about your promise, Sam. We made an agreement, I kept my word but you chose to ignore your promise.


It may be 'weird' to you that such conduct is significant.
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Oldbear83
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What a load of BS. Show me even one post where I advocated for Pence to be removed or the Electoral Vote to be rejected.

You won't because I never said anything like that, and you damn well know it.

There's some major league lying going on in this thread, and it's despicable.
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

You lied about your promise, Sam. We made an agreement, I kept my word but you chose to ignore your promise.


It may be 'weird' to you that such conduct is significant.
You're lying as usual. I answered your question two or three times.
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

What a load of BS. Show me even one post where I advocated for Pence to be removed or the Electoral Vote to be rejected.

You won't because I never said anything like that, and you damn well know it.

There's some major league lying going on in this thread, and it's despicable.
It is. You should stop it.

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/76030/1
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

You lied about your promise, Sam. We made an agreement, I kept my word but you chose to ignore your promise.


It may be 'weird' to you that such conduct is significant.
You're lying as usual. I answered your question two or three times.
The hell you did. All you did was repeat the same bigoted claims and lies about how 'objective' you think you are.

You spent more time on how to praise yourself than you ever did considering what I was saying.

Over the past several months, in fact, that's been your M.O.
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Doc Holliday
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Hmmm

4th and Inches
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Doc Holliday said:

Hmmm


based on 2016 info.. remember it was totally safe and secure in 2020.. back to unsecure and potential for hacking in 2022 when Dems are looking at a severe butt whippin..

Political theater for the sheeple
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"You know we made this happen"..."I know"
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HuMcK said:


thank goodness! We need to round up all the white Supremists like this one
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Cobretti said:



they hired a professional story teller to tell stories..

Nobody is watching.. too busy looking for formula and cheap gas.
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Redbrickbear
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

The committee investigated your "infiltrator" and determined that he didn't work for the FBI
What is his name and what has he been charged with and when was he arrested?
And here come the conspiracy theories...
he clearly on video did bad things.. why no charges? This isnt a conspiracy theory, it is fact. He is on video on jan 5th and jan 6th promoting storming the capital yet no charges..

Come on Sam, this is a slam dunk win for the Jan 6 prosecution based on the evidence
There were a lot of people there. The government isn't obligated to prosecute all of them just to prove they're not FBI agents. This guy apparently never entered the building and was trying to de-escalate confrontation with the police. They'd have to prosecute him solely based on his speech, which is always tricky.
The FBI visited (separately, simultaneously) the offices to a husband/wife pair here in Waco who attended the Trump Rally on the mall, started walking toward Congress, but age & neuropathy soon got the better of them. So they took a selfie with the Capitol building off in the distance and headed for the Metro, thence motel & car and left the DC area that day.

FBI showed them a copy of that selfie the took and asked them what they were doing in the Capitol that day.

They are investigating every single person who left a digital signal in WDC that day.


How dare conservative plebs from flyover country visit the Imperial city.

Them setting foot in the Liberal utopia was sacrilegious.
ATL Bear
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Cobretti said:



Anything to distract from $6 gas.
4th and Inches
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Cobretti said:


i mean this with respect, STFU

Actually, I dont
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Classic propaganda. Attempt to distract with theatrics and hysterics.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Classic propaganda. Attempt to distract with theatrics and hysterics.
what do you expect in the modern era of "feelings" over policy politics..
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Classic propaganda. Attempt to distract with theatrics and hysterics.

HuMcK
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Classic propaganda. Attempt to distract with theatrics and hysterics.

Sam Lowry
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Lots of anxiety in the MAGA ranks today. Stay focused and secure that perimeter, boys.
Osodecentx
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Sam Lowry said:

Lots of anxiety in the MAGA ranks today. Stay focused and secure that perimeter, boys.
WE NEED MORE GOLF CARTS AND STASHES OF ARMS!!!!!
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Lots of anxiety in the MAGA ranks today. Stay focused and secure that perimeter, boys.
Deep State Sam chatting again with the voices in his head, I observe ...
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
ATL Bear
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It needs to be on prime time TV because?
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4th and Inches
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Cobretti said:



this is why nobody cares about Jan 6th right now
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whiterock
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Lots of anxiety in the MAGA ranks today. Stay focused and secure that perimeter, boys.
Deep State Sam chatting again with the voices in his head, I observe ...
he's desperate to spin indictments of Proud Boys leaders as proof of a MAGA inspired insurrection.
Sam Lowry
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whiterock said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Lots of anxiety in the MAGA ranks today. Stay focused and secure that perimeter, boys.
Deep State Sam chatting again with the voices in his head, I observe ...
he's desperate to spin indictments of Proud Boys leaders as proof of a MAGA inspired insurrection.
Jan. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Feb. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Mar. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Apr. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
May. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Jun. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Jul. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Aug. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Sep. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Oct. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Nov. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Dec. 2021: "Where are the indictments?"
Jan. 2022: "Where are the indictments?"
Feb. 2022: "Where are the indictments?"
Mar. 2022: "Where are the indictments?"
Apr. 2022: "Where are the indictments?"
May. 2022: "Where are the indictments?"
Jun. 2022: "INDICTMENTS MEAN NOTHING!"
Cobretti
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HuMcK said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Classic propaganda. Attempt to distract with theatrics and hysterics.


Doc Holliday
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whiterock said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Lots of anxiety in the MAGA ranks today. Stay focused and secure that perimeter, boys.
Deep State Sam chatting again with the voices in his head, I observe ...
he's desperate to spin indictments of Proud Boys leaders as proof of a MAGA inspired insurrection.
His ultimate wish is to prevent Trump from being able to run so we can continue electing establishment a holes who fleece us and cause economic hardship.

No more populism, only those with money and DC approved clout can participate in our democracy.
 
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