Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others

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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.





Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

Indeed.

How many people were part of the conspiracy, exactly?
Two?
How many more? a third? dozens?
Was there any coordination with any political party or elected officials?
Were there any communications with political parties or elected officials?
What are their funding sources?
Were they doing it on their own nickel, or were they getting support from partisan networks?
Who are their sponsors, defenders in elected office?
It's been 18 months, so we shouldn't have to wait long to know answers to those questions, and more.

This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

Proud Boy who came within seconds of Sen. Schumer on January 6 sentenced to 55 months in prison

[url=https://www.cnn.com/profiles/holmes-lybrand][/url]
(CNN)Joshua Pruitt, the Proud Boy who nearly came face-to-face with then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer during the attack of the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, was sentenced to four years and seven months behind bars for his role in obstructing the certification of the electoral college vote that day.
"You were at the forefront of that mob," Judge Timothy Kelly said before handing down his sentence Monday, adding that Pruitt and the mob's actions that day "snapped our previously unbroken tradition of the peaceful transition of power."
Pruitt, who pleaded guilty in early June to obstructing an official proceeding, was part of a Proud Boys group message where members discussed plans to march to the Capitol and use violence on January 6, according to prosecutors.
"Their plans were not limited to fighting Antifa: they anticipated going to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election and confronting police who might try to stand in their way," prosecutors wrote in court documents.
At the time of the riot, Pruitt was merely a recruit waiting to be officially inducted in the far-right group.
"To join the Proud Boys, the defendant would do whatever it takes," one of the prosecutors, Alexis Jane Loeb, told Kelly during the sentencing hearing.

During the attack, Pruitt was one of the first of the mob to enter several areas of the Capitol and destroyed a large sign in the building, throwing it across a room, which prosecutors argued was meant to stir up the mob inside
Schumer's protective detail told prosecutors that they had to change their evacuation plan when they saw Pruitt in the building, who was just four or five seconds from the senator. Instead of exiting through an elevator, Schumer and his detail ran down a ramp and shut the double doors behind them, prosecutors say.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/29/politics/joshua-pruitt-rioter-proud-boys-sentenced/index.html









has anyone here ever had a kind thing to say about the Proud Boys?

Are the Proud Boys, a vigilante gang, part of ANY political coalition, other than their own?
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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.





Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

Indeed.

How many people were part of the conspiracy, exactly?
Two?
How many more? a third? dozens?
Was there any coordination with any political party or elected officials?
Were there any communications with political parties or elected officials?
What are their funding sources?
Were they doing it on their own nickel, or were they getting support from partisan networks?
Who are their sponsors, defenders in elected office?
It's been 18 months, so we shouldn't have to wait long to know answers to those questions, and more.

This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

Proud Boy who came within seconds of Sen. Schumer on January 6 sentenced to 55 months in prison

[url=https://www.cnn.com/profiles/holmes-lybrand][/url]
(CNN)Joshua Pruitt, the Proud Boy who nearly came face-to-face with then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer during the attack of the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, was sentenced to four years and seven months behind bars for his role in obstructing the certification of the electoral college vote that day.
"You were at the forefront of that mob," Judge Timothy Kelly said before handing down his sentence Monday, adding that Pruitt and the mob's actions that day "snapped our previously unbroken tradition of the peaceful transition of power."
Pruitt, who pleaded guilty in early June to obstructing an official proceeding, was part of a Proud Boys group message where members discussed plans to march to the Capitol and use violence on January 6, according to prosecutors.
"Their plans were not limited to fighting Antifa: they anticipated going to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election and confronting police who might try to stand in their way," prosecutors wrote in court documents.
At the time of the riot, Pruitt was merely a recruit waiting to be officially inducted in the far-right group.
"To join the Proud Boys, the defendant would do whatever it takes," one of the prosecutors, Alexis Jane Loeb, told Kelly during the sentencing hearing.

During the attack, Pruitt was one of the first of the mob to enter several areas of the Capitol and destroyed a large sign in the building, throwing it across a room, which prosecutors argued was meant to stir up the mob inside
Schumer's protective detail told prosecutors that they had to change their evacuation plan when they saw Pruitt in the building, who was just four or five seconds from the senator. Instead of exiting through an elevator, Schumer and his detail ran down a ramp and shut the double doors behind them, prosecutors say.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/29/politics/joshua-pruitt-rioter-proud-boys-sentenced/index.html









has anyone here ever had a kind thing to say about the Proud Boys?

Are the Proud Boys, a vigilante gang, part of ANY political coalition, other than their own?
They weren't attacking the Capitol for Biden
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Nah.
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You trust the system, how are you not opposed to people who want to radically change it?

I don't know how you can rationally trust our system or not want radical change with the massive amount of failures we've encountered as a nation for decades.
I supported Trump because he seemed to want a return to traditional conservatism, as opposed to the neocon version of the last few decades. Some may consider that radical, but I don't really. I'm against the extreme right, anti-democratic agenda that Trump and his followers increasingly seem to support. There's no need to accept that kind of thing just because you want reform.

Trump didn't cause J6. Period.
Trump incited J6. Period.
You have no evidence of Trump persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening as to purposely cause another to commit a crime.

You're equating him not trusting the election with the above. That's not incitement under any definition.
Trump invited rioters to Capitol on Jan 6 ("Big things will happen"). They showed up.
He expressed his disappointment in Pence and later the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"
He said he would march with the rioters to the Capitol. The rioters marched on the Capitol.

There are many videos of each of the above. If you won't accept video I don't know what to do for evidence.

Trump incited the J6 riot. Period.

Except for the part that 99.something% of the crowd were not "rioters" but a high percentage of grandmothers and grandfathers who came to engage in first amendment rights of speech and assembly and did not participate in anything illegal.
Violent but mostly peaceful.
10 years for the rowdy tourist who was mostly violent. I'm thinking the flagpole was violent, not the insurrectionist.

NYPD cop who assaulted police receives longest Jan. 6 sentence yet: 10 years
The punishment for Thomas Webster is the stiffest so far for a Capitol riot defendantBody-caormerNYPD cop attack police
A former New York City police officer and Marine Corps veteran, who swung a flagpole at police before tackling one officer and yanking his gas mask off during the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, was sentenced to 10 years in prison Thursday, the longest sentence handed down so far among the more than 860 people charged in the insurrection.
Thomas Webster, 56, of Goshen, N.Y., was the first riot defendant facing the felony charge of assaulting an officer to try his luck with a jury. Twelve others have pleaded guilty to a similar charge. Webster took the witness stand at his trial and testified that he was acting in self-defense, saying D.C. police officer Noah Rathbun had instigated the fight.
Video showed Webster yelling at police on the Lower West Plaza of the Capitol, as officers struggled to maintain a perimeter outside the building. Rathbun then pushed Webster in the face Rathbun testified his hand slipped off Webster's shoulder before Webster swung and smashed a Marine Corps flagpole on a bike rack and then tackled Rathbun. Webster pulled the officer's gas mask off, causing Rathbun to begin choking on tear gas, the officer testified.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/09/01/webster-sentenced-assault-jan6-police/


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Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.
Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.
with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.
As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .
If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.
I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.
Nor I
The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House


Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.
Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.
The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House
Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.
I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0
Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.


And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.
If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.
I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.
Mean tweets? Lol
Jan 6. LOL
Ah yes, the infamous rowdy tourist group that almost took over our government with an elderly unarmed army. Totally erased the year of democrat led riots over every crackhead of color that got themselves shot while fighting with police.
Should have turned in the library books, I guess
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Proud Boys leader admits plan to storm Capitol, will testify against others
Charles Donohoe pleaded guilty to conspiracy, acknowledging an attempt to stop congressional confirmation of the electoral college vote
A North Carolina man who was one of the leaders of the far-right Proud Boys as they assaulted the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, pleaded guilty Friday to two felony counts with a minimum sentence of nearly six years in prison, but agreed to cooperate against his co-defendants in hopes of getting a lighter sentence.

Court records filed Friday show he has already provided numerous insights into the group's plans and their intention to disrupt the congressional electoral vote confirmation.
Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, N.C., admitted to both organizing the pro-Trump attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers. Donohoe is the first charged among six of the Proud Boys' leaders, including longtime chairman Enrique Tarrio, to admit to both organizing an attack on Congress and assaulting law enforcement officers.
Tarrio pleaded not guilty earlier this week to charges of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and six other felonies. He has been ordered held in jail until trial along with six other defendants.
Those other defendants include Donohoe, who has been jailed since March of last year. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting police officers.
In December 2020, according to court documents filed Friday, Tarrio appointed Donohue as one of the members of the "Ministry of Self Defense," a leadership group within the Proud Boys making preparations for Jan. 6.
In a newly filed statement of offense, prosecutors said that "Donohoe understood that the purpose of the rally in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote." The "MOSD" leadership was broken into a three-person "marketing" council, to recruit more members, and an "operations" group. Donohoe was part of the marketing group, the statement of offense says, and it soon expanded to at least 65 members.
As early as Jan. 4, prosecutors said, "Donohoe was aware that members of MOSD leadership were discussing the possibility of storming the Capitol. Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power. Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
Donohoe hadn't planned to be in D.C. on Jan. 6, the statement of offense says. But after Tarrio was arrested on Jan. 4, 2021, for burning a Black Lives Matter banner stolen from a D.C. church, Donohoe decided to travel to Washington because he "believed that Tarrio's arrest could create a leadership void for the MOSD," according to the filing, which is also signed by Donohoe.
On the morning of Jan. 6, the Proud Boys marched away from the Ellipse before President Donald Trump began his speech, and did not return. Instead, they went to the Capitol shortly after 10 a.m., the statement of offense says, and Donohoe posted that his group numbered "200-300 PBs." Co-defendants Ethan Nordean and Joseph Biggs mustered the group, the statement says, and "Donohoe understood that Nordean and Biggs were searching for an opportunity to storm the Capitol."
By 1 p.m., the Proud Boys were being instructed in messages to "Push inside!" Donohoe reposted the message to other group leaders. Donohoe admitted throwing two water bottles at police trying to prevent the mob's advance. At 1:37 p.m., Donohoe took a picture of co-defendant Dominic Pezzola holding a riot shield that had been snatched from police.
Donohoe then found another Proud Boy who "initiated an altercation at the front of the crowd," the statement says. "Donohoe pushed forward to advance up the concrete stairs toward the Capitol. The crowd overwhelmed law enforcement who were attempting to stop their advance." About 140 police officers were injured during the onslaught, and five people died in the attack or immediate aftermath.
Donohoe is the second Proud Boy to agree to testify against his co-defendants. In January, Matthew Greene of Syracuse, N.Y., admitted coordinating with other New York-based members of the extremist group at the front of the Capitol mob and pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy, also hoping for a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation. As a result of their deals, no sentencing dates were set for Donohoe or Greene, pending the outcome of their testimony in both trials and grand jury hearings.





Lock him up. No sympathy or tolerance for this type of behavior. The peaceful transfer of power is what prevents us from being a banana republic.

Indeed.

How many people were part of the conspiracy, exactly?
Two?
How many more? a third? dozens?
Was there any coordination with any political party or elected officials?
Were there any communications with political parties or elected officials?
What are their funding sources?
Were they doing it on their own nickel, or were they getting support from partisan networks?
Who are their sponsors, defenders in elected office?
It's been 18 months, so we shouldn't have to wait long to know answers to those questions, and more.

This investigation and prosecution will set an important baseline for how to deal with political violence in the future. I eagerly anticipate the outcome, and will in the future expect authorities to apply the standard vigorously, but most of all equally.

Proud Boy who came within seconds of Sen. Schumer on January 6 sentenced to 55 months in prison

[url=https://www.cnn.com/profiles/holmes-lybrand][/url]
(CNN)Joshua Pruitt, the Proud Boy who nearly came face-to-face with then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer during the attack of the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, was sentenced to four years and seven months behind bars for his role in obstructing the certification of the electoral college vote that day.
"You were at the forefront of that mob," Judge Timothy Kelly said before handing down his sentence Monday, adding that Pruitt and the mob's actions that day "snapped our previously unbroken tradition of the peaceful transition of power."
Pruitt, who pleaded guilty in early June to obstructing an official proceeding, was part of a Proud Boys group message where members discussed plans to march to the Capitol and use violence on January 6, according to prosecutors.
"Their plans were not limited to fighting Antifa: they anticipated going to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election and confronting police who might try to stand in their way," prosecutors wrote in court documents.
At the time of the riot, Pruitt was merely a recruit waiting to be officially inducted in the far-right group.
"To join the Proud Boys, the defendant would do whatever it takes," one of the prosecutors, Alexis Jane Loeb, told Kelly during the sentencing hearing.

During the attack, Pruitt was one of the first of the mob to enter several areas of the Capitol and destroyed a large sign in the building, throwing it across a room, which prosecutors argued was meant to stir up the mob inside
Schumer's protective detail told prosecutors that they had to change their evacuation plan when they saw Pruitt in the building, who was just four or five seconds from the senator. Instead of exiting through an elevator, Schumer and his detail ran down a ramp and shut the double doors behind them, prosecutors say.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/29/politics/joshua-pruitt-rioter-proud-boys-sentenced/index.html









has anyone here ever had a kind thing to say about the Proud Boys?

Are the Proud Boys, a vigilante gang, part of ANY political coalition, other than their own?
They weren't attacking the Capitol for Biden
They don't represent anyone here, Oso.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Oldbear83 said:

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Wangchung said:

Mean tweets are worse than inflation, wwIII, governance by skin tone and genitals, sexually grooming kids, corruption and racist hate. Got it.
Going to lose if Trump is the nominee ...deal with it .

There is a whole wide world of other choices out there.......winning choices.
with your attitude, of course he would lose.. it was people like you that voted feelings over policy that cost him the 2020 election. %A0Well, that and some very suspect to illegal rule changes plus illegal ballot harvesting.

The populous is screaming for your help, join the fight! %A0Work grass roots for your canidate of choice and get him elected. You beat Trump in the primary. That is the focus, find an electable canidate that isnt a rino uniparty POS and people will vote for him or her.
As usual...you are shooting from the hip....and missing .

I voted for Trump both times .
If he's on the general ballot are you going to vote for him?

Personally I'd rather have DeSantis. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs.

If Trump ends up being the nominee, I won't hesitate to vote for him again.
I will not vote for Trump a 3rd time.
Nor I
The Democrats thank you both for helping work against a GOP White House


Lets hope Trump is not the candidate,.
Why? %A0Would you prefer another McCain or Romney?

I'm fine if we get someone with the right attitude and policies. %A0 But Trump, warts and all, did a damn good job, especially considering the lack of support he got from the GOP-controlled Congress his first 2 years.

40% of Trump's problems are him. %A0 But a lot are people like you, who want his results but without him.
The Democrats thank you for helping work against a GOP White House
Wrong.

The plain fact is that a divided party always loses. %A0Trump was doing a great job, but some wet-panty whiners fractured voter support.

Once we have a nominee, it's the moral obligation of everyone in the party to see that nominee gets elected. %A0 The fact that McCain was a poor choice in 2008 in no way makes it better that Obama was elected. %A0 A great deal of Trump's work was trying to repair the damage done by Obama.

So it's false to pretend that supporting Trump if he wins the nomination somehow helps the Democrats, %A0 Very much the opposite, it is the refusal to support the nominee which leads to Obama, Biden and their ilk.
I agree that Trump's policies were good. %A0Once he got his Cabinet in place and got rid of those forced or strongly recommended (I believe was a huge problem for him) he did much better. %A0Early on was bad in terms of his getting backstabbed by his "own" people. %A0

(The only one I think came out with any respect was Mattis , he didn't agree with his personality or desire to go it alone, but at least said Trump was doing a good job at rebuilding military and NATO was stronger after him.) %A0

The problem I see with Trump running again is he is a lightning rod. %A0His running will guarantee record turnout on the Democrat side. %A0Trump does not appeal to the Independent and especially Independent Women. %A0He would be a Democrat dream to run against.

GOP needs someone like a Halley, Scott or even Condi Rice (I know left field, I thought she did great.) that would be tough for media to go after like Trump or DeSantis. %A0Tough to make into an either/or situation. %A0Although, it appears they are using Abortion instead of race this time at least for midterms. %A0
Then find a candidate you like and support them with your time and money in the primaries.

I did that for Cruz in 2016 and would do so again in 2024 if he chose to run. %A0 Like many here, I would love to see DeSantis run and would support him in a run, but I take him at his word that right now at least he is not running.

But if Trump does win the GOP nomination in 2024, like it or not the choice is to support his policies at the cost of his personality, or accept that anything else helps the Democrats.


And that's all that matters...never mind what helps the country.
If you think another 4 years of Biden/Harris "helps the country", you are insane.
I'm sure it wouldn't, but I'm capable of imagining that some things might be as bad or worse.
Mean tweets? Lol
Jan 6. LOL
Ah yes, the infamous rowdy tourist group that almost took over our government with an elderly unarmed army. Totally erased the year of democrat led riots over every crackhead of color that got themselves shot while fighting with police.
Should have turned in the library books, I guess
Cringe-worthy when Never-Trumpers try to be funny.
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They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
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Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450

Oldbear83
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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.

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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Where did he say "Proud Boys"? Seems he was promising to be "fair" - see, that's a word he used.

You should project less.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Where did he say "Proud Boys"? Seems he was promising to be "fair" - see, that's a word he used.

You should project less.
Oso said "rioters." Trump said "people from January 6." Which part of the Politico report is wrong?
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Where did he say "Proud Boys"? Seems he was promising to be "fair" - see, that's a word he used.

You should project less.
Oso said "rioters." Trump said "people from January 6." Which part of the Politico report is wrong?
From that post, I guess you still believe Trump meant the neo-Nazis when he said there were 'fine people on both sides' when he discussed Charlottesville.

But to your spite-jockey effort, the fact that you and Oso rode that quote on a thread discussing the Proud Boys, there are only two possibilities:

1. You and Oso did not realize what the quote actually was, and so you were intellectually lazy and don't want to admit that now; OR

2. You and Oso knew the quote had nothing to do with the Proud Boys, but you went ahead with it as another dishonest effort to smear the 45th President of the United States.

I frankly don't care which of the two is true. Neither is a good look for you, Sam. Nor for you, Oso.
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Where did he say "Proud Boys"? Seems he was promising to be "fair" - see, that's a word he used.

You should project less.
Oso said "rioters." Trump said "people from January 6." Which part of the Politico report is wrong?
From that post, I guess you still believe Trump meant the neo-Nazis when he said there were 'fine people on both sides' when he discussed Charlottesville.

But to your spite-jockey effort, the fact that you and Oso rode that quote on a thread discussing the Proud Boys, there are only two possibilities:

1. You and Oso did not realize what the quote actually was, and so you were intellectually lazy and don't want to admit that now; OR

2. You and Oso knew the quote had nothing to do with the Proud Boys, but you went ahead with it as another dishonest effort to smear the 45th President of the United States.

I frankly don't care which of the two is true. Neither is a good look for you, Sam. Nor for you, Oso.
I'd be glad to debate the meaning of the quote, but there's not much point unless the quote itself is genuine. So is it genuine, or did Politico make it up?
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Where did he say "Proud Boys"? Seems he was promising to be "fair" - see, that's a word he used.

You should project less.
Oso said "rioters." Trump said "people from January 6." Which part of the Politico report is wrong?
From that post, I guess you still believe Trump meant the neo-Nazis when he said there were 'fine people on both sides' when he discussed Charlottesville.

But to your spite-jockey effort, the fact that you and Oso rode that quote on a thread discussing the Proud Boys, there are only two possibilities:

1. You and Oso did not realize what the quote actually was, and so you were intellectually lazy and don't want to admit that now; OR

2. You and Oso knew the quote had nothing to do with the Proud Boys, but you went ahead with it as another dishonest effort to smear the 45th President of the United States.

I frankly don't care which of the two is true. Neither is a good look for you, Sam. Nor for you, Oso.
I'd be glad to debate the meaning of the quote, but there's not much point unless the quote itself is genuine. So is it genuine, or did Politico make it up?
So you're #2.

See my last paragraph, above.
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
So...Trump didn't say it? Politico just made it up?
Pssst, the fact that the Left-wing site used the word "suggested" instead of "said" should tip you off that no, Trump did not actually say that,.

Sorry Sam, you and Oso might want to expand your attention to places which do not hate the 45h POTUS on a regular basis.


"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Did Trump not say this?
Where did he say "Proud Boys"? Seems he was promising to be "fair" - see, that's a word he used.

You should project less.
Oso said "rioters." Trump said "people from January 6." Which part of the Politico report is wrong?
From that post, I guess you still believe Trump meant the neo-Nazis when he said there were 'fine people on both sides' when he discussed Charlottesville.

But to your spite-jockey effort, the fact that you and Oso rode that quote on a thread discussing the Proud Boys, there are only two possibilities:

1. You and Oso did not realize what the quote actually was, and so you were intellectually lazy and don't want to admit that now; OR

2. You and Oso knew the quote had nothing to do with the Proud Boys, but you went ahead with it as another dishonest effort to smear the 45th President of the United States.

I frankly don't care which of the two is true. Neither is a good look for you, Sam. Nor for you, Oso.
I'd be glad to debate the meaning of the quote, but there's not much point unless the quote itself is genuine. So is it genuine, or did Politico make it up?
So you're #2.

See my last paragraph, above.
.990 average holding strong.
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They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
There are an awful lot of the rioters that should be. None of the ones you posted, of course, but if we're going to talk about "equal protection of the law," nearly all of them should have their sentences commuted to days/weeks.

You see, Antifa/BLM guys burned down a police station in a major US city, occupied a police station as part of erecting an autonomous zone in a major US city, sponsored months of hand-to-hand combat with federal riot squads over control of a federal courthouse in a major US city which involved incendiaries and molotov cocktail attacks which inflicted far more damage on property and personnel than anything which happened in WDC, etc...... How many of those folks got an FBI sponsored ride to an 18 months of solitary accommodations and a decade long jail sentence?

We do greater harm to the republic when we accept the kind of blatant disproportionality playing out before us than the anything done by any of the various acts in question. It's acceptance of a dual standard of justice is right & proper, the natural order of things.

But we are making progress. You used the word "rioters" rather than "insurrectionists." A great journey begins with but a single step. Glad to see you making the turn back toward the light.
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/


And while you're at it, make sure to send your 87k new IRS to audit all of them. That will hasten unity.
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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.




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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.

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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/


And while you're at it, make sure to send your 87k new IRS to audit all of them. That will hasten unity.
With the midterms coming, Trump wants to talk about pardons and the 2020 election instead of IRS agents. Let's go along with the Dear Leader.
How about those Dominion Voting machines? Those records Trump hid at the country club weren't really classified. Isn't that Mitch McConnell's wife a crook?
Discuss
Oldbear83
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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.

"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/


And while you're at it, make sure to send your 87k new IRS to audit all of them. That will hasten unity.
With the midterms coming, Trump wants to talk about pardons and the 2020 election instead of IRS agents. Let's go along with the Dear Leader.
How about those Dominion Voting machines? Those records Trump hid at the country club weren't really classified. Isn't that Mitch McConnell's wife a crook?
Discuss
So we have a divided country. Where a large majority believe there is a dual standard of justice. One candidate walks up to a podium bearing the Presidential Seal of office and delivers a fire & brimstone speech defining his political opponents as enemies of democracy, semi-fascists. The other candidate offers to issue pardons to some of the J6 rioters who have been unfairly persecuted.

Which candidate/platform has a better chance of uniting the country?

discuss.

(I only went in depth on one issue because the others really are quite silly: 1) Trump didn't manufacture concerns about voting machines....democrats are on record, as is the bipartisan Baker/Carter Commission and a senior Dominion official making highly inflammatory comments on tape, 2) the records in question aren't classified....he published much of his declas order publicly, on Twitter, 3) calling a political official you don't care for a crook in lieu of any convictions is quite high-minded politics these days....you, for one, have set a fine example for us all to follow.)
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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Like you said, a special kind of stupid.


Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.

"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Reading comprehension drill: read the first sentence in bold (yours) and compare it to the actual statement made by Trump (last sentence in bold). He did not say what you think he said.
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Like you said, a special kind of stupid.


Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.

"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Reading comprehension drill: read the first sentence in bold (yours) and compare it to the actual statement made by Trump (last sentence in bold). He did not say what you think he said.


And instead of talking about Biden we're talking about Proud Boys
Who is Trump sending money to?
Oldbear83
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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.

"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.

Take the loss like a man, be better, and move on.
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.

"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.
When did he say they were?
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They weren't rioting for Biden
Those are Trump's Proud Boys going to prison. Why did Trump say he would pardon the rioters?
You sure he said that? Remember, the voices in your head, or Sam, do not count.

And last I checked, it's special kind of stupid who tries to overturn the government but never fires a single shot.
Like you said, a special kind of stupid.

Trump suggests he might pardon some Jan. 6 defendants
He'd have to be returned to office in 2024 for that to happen.

Former President Donald Trump suggested Saturday that he might pardon people associated with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol if he were to win a second term as president.

"Another thing we'll do and so many people have been asking me about it if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," he said at a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

The assertion comes amid efforts by Trump and some of his fiercest supporters to rewrite the history of Jan. 6 baselessly claiming the attack on the Capitol was instigated by the FBI and that the approximately 50 pretrial detainees held in connection with the attack are "political prisoners."

Though the majority of those charged are facing misdemeanor charges with sentences that are likely to run their course before Trump could potentially reclaim the Oval Office, hundreds of those facing conspiracy, obstruction and assault charges could receive sentences that land them in prison for years.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/trump-pardon-jan6-defendants-00003450


Dude, it's Politico. If Trump cured cancer, their headline would be 'Trump Puts Doctors Out of Work'
This is a foretaste of the 24 election if Trump is the nominee. Instead of discussing Biden's actions and policies, we'll argue about whether Jan 6 insurrection was a riot and should pardons be given to the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Like you said, a special kind of stupid


Trump says he will 'very, very seriously' consider January 6 pardons if he runs and wins in 2024
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/30/trump-rally-video-january-6-rioters-newday-vpx.cnn

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/01/trump-jan-6-rioters-pardon/

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-pardon-jan-6-rioters-if-he-runs-wins-2022-01-30/

This thread is about the Proud Boys. I don't see even one quote from Trump about pardoning the Proud Boys.

So you continue to deliberately posit a false claim.





Each post above says Trump will pardon Jan 6 rioters. Many of Jan 6 rioters are Proud Boys. Hence Proud Boys convicted of Jan 6 violations will be pardoned by Trump.


Cute, but only a very small portion of the people involved in Jan. 6 were Proud Boys, and again, Trump never specified Proud Boys.

Take the loss and move on. You can't make your claim true Oso, you are damn well caught in a lie and we both know it.
Please help! I'm looking for the statement where Dear Leader said he wouldn't pardon the Proud Boys

Trump would give 'full pardons with an apology' to Capitol rioters if elected again
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.
The former president made the remarks to a conservative radio host Thursday morning as he weighs a third consecutive run for the White House while under dueling investigations by the feds for his role in the riots and classified materials seized from his Florida home.
"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
"I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible," he said, referring to some of the more than 800 people that have been charged in the violent breach.
"And they were in my office actually two days ago. It's very much on my mind. It's a disgrace what they've done to them. What they've done to these people, it's disgraceful.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/


Doesn't work that way.

Your contention, from your posts, is that he said he would,

No such statement exists, yet you continue to post quotes which do not say what you claim.

Ergo, you are caught in a lie.

After all, I never heard you say you would not rape or murder anyone, but it's not reasonable to demand you do.

Context matters. So does honesty. You and Sam failed on both counts.
Donald Trump said he would pardon and apologize to the hundreds of people convicted in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots if elected to a second presidential term in 2024.

"I mean full pardons with an apology to many," he told Wendy Bell
Repeat it all you want, the words "Proud Boys" just are not there.
When did he say they were?
Read the thread title, Sam. It's implied by posting the quote here.

And his squirming efforts to pretend Trump said something he did not in subsequent posts is more than a little obvious anyway.

But out of curiosity, what did you get when you sold your soul? It doesn't seem to me that you got the better bargain.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
 
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