Booray said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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cowboycwr said:

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As the details become clearer about how this tragic event went down I think one thing that can be said that addresses the OP is that schools must get better at following protocol. Doors should NEVER be propped open or left unlocked.

Sadly it seems this shooting could have been, or different, if the shooter was not able to get in a door left propped open and therefore unable to enter the school.

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Yes, and that door was propped open one minute BEFORE he crashed his truck at the school! You could not have had a worse case of bad circumstances.

I'm sure a 4th grade teacher never thought a psycho would show up at an elementary school in Uvalde, TX to commit mass murder with 2 days left in the school year BUT you always have to assume worse case scenario.

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We need to harden schools, increase mental health spending and change the standards for commitment, teachers need to be trained to carry and use if necessary, I need to consider whether the guy in the car next to me is carrying and subject to road rage before I honk at him for cutting me off; we have to watch waves of veterans commit suicide, and on and on.

All to serve others' right to bear arms. Maybe the Second Amendment require that sacrifice (I don't think so), but I am tired of the cost gun rights activists are imposing on me, my family, and my community.

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Hardening schools will protect kids from a lot more than just guns, to include threats that are out there but not discussed because they haven't happened yet in this country (terrorism) like they have in others. Criminals (particularly terrorists) hit easy targets...

Reforming and improving what we do on mental health has social benefits far beyond preventing school shootings, for education, employment, tax base, and most importantly.....the mentally ill.

Allowing teachers to conceal carry is a constitutional right of self-defense which will protect them all day long, not just in the classroom.

And if you decided to not do something in order not to trigger another to do something that might be unpleasant? So many layers to that. Welcome to a civil society. (is the honk really necessary?) Welcome to the conservative movement. (where you have to conceal what you know to be true in order to avoid social opprobrium or worse). Welcome to marriage. (where you cannot tell your wife what she's doing on the farm will fail spectacularly, even something as simple as how to properly use a hand tool, because....well.....marriage.)

Gun Rights activists cost you almost nothing.
Your rights exist in no small part because of the protection the 2nd Amendment provides, to include your right to cynically virtue posture with a priori reasoning.

I still don't understand why the left and right can't meet in the middle. The right give in on additional gun laws (21 to buy rifles, mandatory background checks on all gun sales, etc, and the left agree to voter ID and closing the border. Seems like a win win....

Sam Lowry said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Wipe out illegal drug use.

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Sad thing is that this is probably the most realistic item on your agenda.

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"Eliminate the ability of Big Pharm to push mood altering drugs."

This is a bigger issue than people realize or want to admit.

There are a lot of kids using drugs to get better grades. I have yet to meet one kid that wanted Adderall or other ADHD drugs that did not talk the Doctor into prescribing. I have yet to meet anyone that goes to those Doctors and does not leave with a diagnosis. They are telling these kids that they need drugs to live. They are not the same after and they never seem to get off. The number of kids on these drugs, shocked me.

Ghostrider said:

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I still don't understand why the left and right can't meet in the middle. The right give in on additional gun laws (21 to buy rifles, mandatory background checks on all gun sales, etc, and the left agree to voter ID and closing the border. Seems like a win win....

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I sometimes wonder how motivated some politicians are to enact change in some of the topics they are most vocal about. Is it something they really feel passionately about enough that they are willing to compromise and take small steps and view that as a positive or is it more useful for them politically to demand everything, knowing they won't get it, and continue to use it as a talking point?

90sBear said:

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Ghostrider said:

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I still don't understand why the left and right can't meet in the middle. The right give in on additional gun laws (21 to buy rifles, mandatory background checks on all gun sales, etc, and the left agree to voter ID and closing the border. Seems like a win win....

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I sometimes wonder how motivated some politicians are to enact change in some of the topics they are most vocal about. Is it something they really feel passionately about enough that they are willing to compromise and take small steps and view that as a positive or is it more useful for them politically to demand everything, knowing they won't get it, and continue to use it as a talking point?

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I think there is a lot of truth in this ... there is a broader incentive to not solve problems. Otherwise, fundraising dries up. If reasonable compromises are reached then how do politicians and special interest groups raise money and turn out the vote? More broadly, Congress has more or less abdicated its responsibility as a legislative body and has basically become performance theater.

Here is my general problem with the 21 age limit:
- We do not really have a massive problem with 18-20-year-olds committing crimes with rifles; that's no disrespect to the tragic events that have occurred, but statistically these are outliers
- Most of the kids that do commit these terrible acts get their rifles from other people, so raising the age really would not help in 99% of the small cases that occur
- I would be fine with raising the age, but it should be universal: 21 to vote, join the military, etc. We should just draw a clear line that says this is the age of adulthood and re-arrange society accordingly

As noted, we do not have a gun problem as much as a broader cultural problem whether its called mental health, narcissism, etc. That is really what we need to address.

I do not have data, and doubt it exists, but I suspect 95% of current school measures are adequate to stop these types of attacks. As noted, Uvalde was a failure of this process by the school and the police (apparently). Had the doors been locked per policy and the cops reacted faster, likely it is avoided. Also, as noted, what happened to "see something, say something." In the Buffalo and Uvalde attacks (and I think virtually all mass shootings) there were obvious signs that something was not right mentally with the murders. We need a much better way to report and intervene in these situations that balances civil liberties with safety.

I instructed the nationally-recognized Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training program to provide training to schools across Texas.

This training, which is delivered by veteran first responders, will help officers on campuses better respond to active attack situations. pic.twitter.com/kmEADKiqmp

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 6, 2022

I’m directing various state agencies to enhance their efforts to promote the iWatchTexas program.

iWatchTexas makes it easier for the public to report suspicious activity in Texas.

Reporting concerning behavior is a key component of intervention strategies to keep schools safe.

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 7, 2022

I’m directing the Texas Education Agency to ensure schools are held to heightened safety standards following the tragedy in Uvalde.

I requested TEA to:
- Identify actions to make campuses more secure
- Conduct weekly inspections of doors
- Increase presence of trained officers pic.twitter.com/VvydUiIkQ9

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 2, 2022

boognish_bear said:

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I’m directing the Texas Education Agency to ensure schools are held to heightened safety standards following the tragedy in Uvalde.

I requested TEA to:
- Identify actions to make campuses more secure
- Conduct weekly inspections of doors
- Increase presence of trained officers pic.twitter.com/VvydUiIkQ9

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 2, 2022

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Finally. Action that will have an impact. Now, we need a special session to fund physical barriers. The Uvalde shooter could have been kept out of the classrooms with chain link fence.

whiterock said:

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boognish_bear said:

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I’m directing the Texas Education Agency to ensure schools are held to heightened safety standards following the tragedy in Uvalde.

I requested TEA to:
- Identify actions to make campuses more secure
- Conduct weekly inspections of doors
- Increase presence of trained officers pic.twitter.com/VvydUiIkQ9

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 2, 2022

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Finally. Action that will have an impact. Now, we need a special session to fund physical barriers. The Uvalde shooter could have been kept out of the classrooms with chain link fence.

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I thought he did jump a fence into the back field of the school? Or was that another piece of wrong information early on?

cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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boognish_bear said:

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I’m directing the Texas Education Agency to ensure schools are held to heightened safety standards following the tragedy in Uvalde.

I requested TEA to:
- Identify actions to make campuses more secure
- Conduct weekly inspections of doors
- Increase presence of trained officers pic.twitter.com/VvydUiIkQ9

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 2, 2022

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Finally. Action that will have an impact. Now, we need a special session to fund physical barriers. The Uvalde shooter could have been kept out of the classrooms with chain link fence.

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I thought he did jump a fence into the back field of the school? Or was that another piece of wrong information early on?

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There is an appx 4' chain link fence around the school which anyone could jump over.

McConaughey: We’re still having arguments everyday about what a fact is pic.twitter.com/hGzarXMLU3

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 7, 2022

The left in this country has gone far more radical than the Left in any other country,

And yes, that includes Europe. While this discussion is very civil IMO. the radical Left is bent on tyranny.

This country will be destroyed if we give them an inch,

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The left in this country has gone far more radical than the Left in any other country,

And yes, that includes Europe. While this discussion is very civil IMO. the radical Left is bent on tyranny.

This country will be destroyed if we give them an inch,

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Yes.

It is and will always be a slippery slope.

boognish_bear said:

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McConaughey: We’re still having arguments everyday about what a fact is pic.twitter.com/hGzarXMLU3

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 7, 2022

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The Longview hypocrite.

Gohmert: Maybe if we heard more prayers from leaders in this country instead of taking god’s name in vain, we wouldn’t have the mass killings like we didn’t have before prayer was eliminated from schools pic.twitter.com/vq1BQFzPkA

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 8, 2022

boognish_bear said:

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Gohmert: Maybe if we heard more prayers from leaders in this country instead of taking god’s name in vain, we wouldn’t have the mass killings like we didn’t have before prayer was eliminated from schools pic.twitter.com/vq1BQFzPkA

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 8, 2022

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Cringe. Gohmert is embarrassing. One can agree with his sentiment but also oppose him and other politicians virtue signaling Christianity.

Jack Bauer said:

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cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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boognish_bear said:

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I’m directing the Texas Education Agency to ensure schools are held to heightened safety standards following the tragedy in Uvalde.

I requested TEA to:
- Identify actions to make campuses more secure
- Conduct weekly inspections of doors
- Increase presence of trained officers pic.twitter.com/VvydUiIkQ9

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 2, 2022

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Finally. Action that will have an impact. Now, we need a special session to fund physical barriers. The Uvalde shooter could have been kept out of the classrooms with chain link fence.

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I thought he did jump a fence into the back field of the school? Or was that another piece of wrong information early on?

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There is an appx 4' chain link fence around the school which anyone could jump over.

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anyone?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Gohmert: Maybe if we heard more prayers from leaders in this country instead of taking god’s name in vain, we wouldn’t have the mass killings like we didn’t have before prayer was eliminated from schools pic.twitter.com/vq1BQFzPkA

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 8, 2022

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Cringe. Gohmert is embarrassing. One can agree with his sentiment but also oppose him and other politicians virtue signaling Christianity.

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He is just a low IQ aggy.

Give the guy a break…his heart is in the right place.

Once?

The Tulsa mass shooter was black.
The NY subway shooter was black.

Recent mass shootings this last week of black people in Philly, SC, Chattanooga and even during a funeral in Wisconsin.

What does she think they are getting killed with...nerf guns?

The View's Joy Behar: "Once black people get guns in this country, the gun laws will change — Trust me." pic.twitter.com/896fexK41Z

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 8, 2022

To be fair, Chicago IS MAGA country...

Wangchung said:

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To be fair, Chicago IS MAGA country...

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Make America Gangsta Again?

Wangchung said:

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To be fair, Chicago IS MAGA country...

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Uh-oh,

locked doors
School resource officer
and a gun

prevent a suspicious person from entering an elementary school.

Police incident at Walnut Park School (gadsdentimes.com)

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Law enforcement officials were on the scene Thursday morning following an officer-involved shooting outside Walnut Park Elementary School that left a man dead.

According to Etowah County Sheriff Jonathon Horton, there was a report of someone trying either to get into the school, where City of Gadsden and Gadsden City Schools summer programs were underway, or cars outside the building.

A Rainbow City police officer working as a school resource officer for the city program went outside and encountered that person, became involved in an altercation and called for backup, the sheriff said. Officers responded, and it resulted in that person being fatally shot.

The superintendent also emphasized that the secured doors prevented the suspect from gaining entry until the school resource officer was able to confront the suspicious person. He added that his district has 18 or 19 SROs assigned to the 13 schools in the community.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Uh-oh,

locked doors
School resource officer
and a gun

prevent a suspicious person from entering an elementary school.

Police incident at Walnut Park School (gadsdentimes.com)

Quote:

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Law enforcement officials were on the scene Thursday morning following an officer-involved shooting outside Walnut Park Elementary School that left a man dead.

According to Etowah County Sheriff Jonathon Horton, there was a report of someone trying either to get into the school, where City of Gadsden and Gadsden City Schools summer programs were underway, or cars outside the building.

A Rainbow City police officer working as a school resource officer for the city program went outside and encountered that person, became involved in an altercation and called for backup, the sheriff said. Officers responded, and it resulted in that person being fatally shot.

The superintendent also emphasized that the secured doors prevented the suspect from gaining entry until the school resource officer was able to confront the suspicious person. He added that his district has 18 or 19 SROs assigned to the 13 schools in the community.

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The only problem is this will be recorded as a "school shooting" since it took place on school property and be used by the left as why guns are bad.

cowboycwr said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Uh-oh,

locked doors
School resource officer
and a gun

prevent a suspicious person from entering an elementary school.

Police incident at Walnut Park School (gadsdentimes.com)

Quote:

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Law enforcement officials were on the scene Thursday morning following an officer-involved shooting outside Walnut Park Elementary School that left a man dead.

According to Etowah County Sheriff Jonathon Horton, there was a report of someone trying either to get into the school, where City of Gadsden and Gadsden City Schools summer programs were underway, or cars outside the building.

A Rainbow City police officer working as a school resource officer for the city program went outside and encountered that person, became involved in an altercation and called for backup, the sheriff said. Officers responded, and it resulted in that person being fatally shot.

The superintendent also emphasized that the secured doors prevented the suspect from gaining entry until the school resource officer was able to confront the suspicious person. He added that his district has 18 or 19 SROs assigned to the 13 schools in the community.

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The only problem is this will be recorded as a "school shooting" since it took place on school property and be used by the left as why guns are bad.

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Yep.

If a man shot himself in the head on a Saturday night in the summer a block from a school, Everytown would call that "a school shooting'.