Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I thought i had already said yes. I am a law abiding citizen. I would try to pass them out to the younger males in my family but if I couldnt then yes i would certainly surrender them.
Wouldn't building schools with only one door create other problems? Like making it harder for kids to get out if, say, there is a fire? https://t.co/L7T7SB2fbO
— Karen Tumulty (@ktumulty) May 26, 2022
So crime rate per capita is not a valid statistic?cms186 said:When he tries to make out that Norway has a bigger Mass shooting problem then the US when Norways "Mass Shooting" problem is literally just one event (The Utoya Island shootings, literally the only mass shooting Norway has had since the 2nd World War) you can probably assume that guy is talking out of his arse4th and Inches said:A thread on how the media is telling you two major lies about mass shootings and gun control
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
1: Other countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the US have higher rates of mass shootings.
2: US jurisdictions w/ gun laws have exponentially higher rates of gun violence#2A
Morons, some days I want to root for the astroidJack Bauer said:
This is a reporter with the Washington Post...Wouldn't building schools with only one door create other problems? Like making it harder for kids to get out if, say, there is a fire? https://t.co/L7T7SB2fbO
— Karen Tumulty (@ktumulty) May 26, 2022
JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
sometimes, sure, sometimes, when you try to make out that a country with a population 60 times smaller than your own country and has had 1 Mass Shooting in nearly 70 years has a worse problem with Mass Shootings than a Country that has had 213 this year alone, then you clearly are not talking sense4th and Inches said:So crime rate per capita is not a valid statistic?cms186 said:When he tries to make out that Norway has a bigger Mass shooting problem then the US when Norways "Mass Shooting" problem is literally just one event (The Utoya Island shootings, literally the only mass shooting Norway has had since the 2nd World War) you can probably assume that guy is talking out of his arse4th and Inches said:A thread on how the media is telling you two major lies about mass shootings and gun control
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
1: Other countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the US have higher rates of mass shootings.
2: US jurisdictions w/ gun laws have exponentially higher rates of gun violence#2A
"Modern Journalism exists for two reasons. To make money off selling advertisement space and to advance a certain type of political discourse…almost always of a liberal and progressive style."cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
yep, deflect away that one of your state politicians thinks the answer to this tragedy is convicting a corpse and not bothered about preventing Kids getting murdered, I would tooRedbrickbear said:"Modern Journalism exists for two reasons. To make money off selling advertisement space and to advance a certain type of political discourse…almost always of a liberal and progressive style."cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
"Journalists have internalized the Marxist idea that media should not reflect the world but shape it, and you get a vast relativized competitive media-sphere where power and force are the only things that matter."
NEW: The mother of the 18-year-old gunman accused of carrying out the deadly elementary school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, tells @ABC News that her son was “not a monster” but that he could “be aggressive.” https://t.co/GK3k5VUyep
— ABC News (@ABC) May 26, 2022
Let's review the (reported) performance of the Uvalde Police and CBP response team on Tuesday:
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
- Waited 35-60 minutes before entering school while kids bled out, wasting golden hour
- Tazed / arrested parents begging them to go in, and attempting to rescue their kids themselves
- Armed school resource officer failed to prevent shooter from entering school
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
- Uvalde SWAT team had done a walkthrough of the school in Feb to prepare for just such a situation
- Outside observers saying Uvalde police ignored every lesson learned since Columbine
And the best part, because of the Supreme Court decision in Castle Rock v. Gonzales (a 2005 decision delivered by Scalia), no matter how incompetent, cowardly, or negligent police are, they cannot be held accountable.https://t.co/bz1ATyHWCC
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
One more:
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
- Initial reports by police that they pursued and pinned down the shooter in a classroom were false. In reality, the shooter had plenty of time, and locked himself inside a classroom.
If the law becomes effective tonight I will follow the law.Canada2017 said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I thought i had already said yes. I am a law abiding citizen. I would try to pass them out to the younger males in my family but if I couldnt then yes i would certainly surrender them.
If you pass your weapons to others….how is that faithfully obeying the intent of the such a law ?
No one is deflecting.cms186 said:yep, deflect away that one of your state politicians thinks the answer to this tragedy is convicting a corpse and not bothered about preventing Kids getting murdered, I would tooRedbrickbear said:"Modern Journalism exists for two reasons. To make money off selling advertisement space and to advance a certain type of political discourse…almost always of a liberal and progressive style."cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
"Journalists have internalized the Marxist idea that media should not reflect the world but shape it, and you get a vast relativized competitive media-sphere where power and force are the only things that matter."
I havent created anything, this shooting actually happened, the shooter died, as they commonly do, either killed by the Police or by committing suicide. This State politician said those words, i didnt create them out of thin air and the Journalist (who i know nothing about) responded as to why those words were absolutely ridiculous, both in general and in the particular instance, but yeah, its me and the Journalist who are in the wrong hereRedbrickbear said:No one is deflecting.cms186 said:yep, deflect away that one of your state politicians thinks the answer to this tragedy is convicting a corpse and not bothered about preventing Kids getting murdered, I would tooRedbrickbear said:"Modern Journalism exists for two reasons. To make money off selling advertisement space and to advance a certain type of political discourse…almost always of a liberal and progressive style."cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
"Journalists have internalized the Marxist idea that media should not reflect the world but shape it, and you get a vast relativized competitive media-sphere where power and force are the only things that matter."
What you are doing is called creating a straw man to attack easier.
What the reporters are doing, and have been doing for a very long time, is pretending to be neutral fact finders protected by the 1st amendment while actually being party hacks and progressive activists.
drahthaar said:
The twit makes a misleading and dishonest lead in on Cruz' comments. He is against unlocked doors and for a single controlled-entry door which is secured via technology and human guards.
mom in denial about her childs mental health and her poor parentingboognish_bear said:NEW: The mother of the 18-year-old gunman accused of carrying out the deadly elementary school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, tells @ABC News that her son was “not a monster” but that he could “be aggressive.” https://t.co/GK3k5VUyep
— ABC News (@ABC) May 26, 2022
Mother of Texas gunman says son was 'not a monster,' could be 'aggressive'
ABC News
The mother of the 18-year-old gunman accused of killing 21 at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, this week told ABC News in an interview that her son was "not a monster," but that he could "be aggressive."
"I had an uneasy feeling sometimes, like 'what are you up to?" Adriana Reyes told ABC News' Chief National Correspondent Matt Gutman in an interview at her home. "He can be aggressive... If he really got mad."
Reyes' son, accused shooter Salvador Ramos, allegedly purchased two assault rifles in the days after he turned 18 and used them to carry out the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history -- all within a span of eight days, authorities said.
Twenty-one people, including 19 third- and fourth-grade children, were killed in the attack, law enforcement officials said. Two teachers were killed, as well. Another 17 people were wounded, including three law enforcement officers. Ramos' grandmother, who police say was the accused gunman's first victim, is hospitalized in stable condition.
"We all have a rage, that some people have it more than others," Reyes said.
Reyes expressed sympathy for the children who were killed and the parents who lost them multiple times during the interview, but said she was not aware that her son had been buying the weapons.
People become emotional at the City of Uvalde Town Square during a prayer vigil in the wake of a mass shoo...
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"Those kids… I have no words," Reyes said through tears. "I don't know what to say about those poor kids."
Some classmates told ABC News that Ramos was known for fighting and threatening fellow students. They said he exhibited increasingly disturbing behavior over the past two years, threatening at least one classmate and stalking others, and that he claimed to have cut scars into his face.
Ramos is accused of shooting his grandmother at their home in Uvalde before driving his grandparents' car to Robb Elementary School and opening fire.
"Anyone who shoots his grandmother in the face has to have evil in his heart," Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said during a press conference Wednesday. "But it is far more evil for someone to gun down little kids."
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One fourth grader who survived the mass shooting recalled the harrowing moment the gunman stormed into his classroom and told the children 'it's time to die'.
'He came in and he crouched a little bit and he said, he said: 'It's time to die,'' the unnamed Robb Elementary School student told KENS 5 on Wednesday.
'When I heard the shooting through the door, I told my friend to hide under something so he won't find us,' the boy said. 'I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us.'
The little boy and four others hid under a cloth-covered table while Ramos opened fire into the
classroom, killing 19 students and two teachers. Seventeen others were injured.
Authorities say it is unclear why the teen targeted the school. He had no criminal history or known mental illnesses, but was described by friends, family and co-workers as a loner and high school dropout, who was bullied and aggressive.
He had got in a fight with his grandmother about who would pay the phone bill before he went on his killing spree, law enforcement officials disclosed to CBS News. However, they note that information is preliminary and are not sure if the fight was the trigger for the massacre.
The fourth grader claims Ramos stormed into their classroom after shooting at another door in the school.
'He shot the next person's door. We have a door in the middle. He opened it,' the boy said, adding that Ramos then told the students they would die.
He and four others took cover under a table, which some experts argue shielded them from Ramos' view and saved their lives.
'When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,' the boy said.
'The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.'
The boy said they remained hidden until the gunfire ceased.
'I just opened the curtain. And I just put my hand out,' he said. 'I got out with my friend. I knew it was police. I saw the armor and the shield.'
He also alleged his teachers, Irma Garcia, 46, and Eva Mireles, 44, sacrificed themselves to protect their students.
'They were nice teachers,' he said. 'They went in front of my classmates to help. To save them.'
The little boy also issued a warning to other American families, saying: 'I would like to say to every kid and parent to be safe.'
Herschel Walker's solution to school shootings involves "a department that can look at young men that's looking at women that's looking at social media." pic.twitter.com/WAi7a4mwgz
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 26, 2022
Remember the cowardly security officer at Parkland who failed to confront the shooter?cms186 said:Let's review the (reported) performance of the Uvalde Police and CBP response team on Tuesday:
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
- Waited 35-60 minutes before entering school while kids bled out, wasting golden hour
- Tazed / arrested parents begging them to go in, and attempting to rescue their kids themselves- Armed school resource officer failed to prevent shooter from entering school
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
- Uvalde SWAT team had done a walkthrough of the school in Feb to prepare for just such a situation
- Outside observers saying Uvalde police ignored every lesson learned since ColumbineAnd the best part, because of the Supreme Court decision in Castle Rock v. Gonzales (a 2005 decision delivered by Scalia), no matter how incompetent, cowardly, or negligent police are, they cannot be held accountable.https://t.co/bz1ATyHWCC
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022One more:
— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) May 26, 2022
- Initial reports by police that they pursued and pinned down the shooter in a classroom were false. In reality, the shooter had plenty of time, and locked himself inside a classroom.
Not to liberals. You need feelings, not statistics.4th and Inches said:So crime rate per capita is not a valid statistic?cms186 said:When he tries to make out that Norway has a bigger Mass shooting problem then the US when Norways "Mass Shooting" problem is literally just one event (The Utoya Island shootings, literally the only mass shooting Norway has had since the 2nd World War) you can probably assume that guy is talking out of his arse4th and Inches said:A thread on how the media is telling you two major lies about mass shootings and gun control
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
1: Other countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the US have higher rates of mass shootings.
2: US jurisdictions w/ gun laws have exponentially higher rates of gun violence#2A
Good.J.B.Katz said:
Heather Cox Richardson's analysis.
Remember, this week CPAC met in Hungary, where Victor Orban has effectively ended democracy. The 'great America" Trump supporters want to bring back, was an America where infrastructure investments and basic safety nets like Social Security meant a large middle class.
All day, I have been coming back to this: How have we arrived at a place where 90% of Americans want to protect our children from gun violence, and yet those who are supposed to represent us in government are unable, or unwilling, to do so?
This is a central problem not just for the issue of gun control, but for our democracy itself.
It seems that during the Cold War, American leaders came to treat democracy and capitalism as if they were interchangeable. So long as the United States embraced capitalism, by which they meant an economic system in which individuals, rather than the state, owned the means of production, liberal democracy would automatically follow.
That theory seemed justified by the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. The crumbling of that communist system convinced democratic nations that they had won, they had defeated communism, their system of government would dominate the future. Famously, in 1992, political philosopher Francis ***uyama wrote that humanity had reached "the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government." In the 1990s, America's leaders believed that the spread of capitalism would turn the world democratic as it delivered to them global dominance, but they talked a lot less about democracy than they did about so-called free markets.
In fact, the apparent success of capitalism actually undercut democracy in the U.S. The end of the Cold War was a gift to those determined to destroy the popular liberal state that had regulated business, provided a basic social safety net, and invested in infrastructure since the New Deal. They turned their animosity from the Soviet Union to the majority at home, those they claimed were bringing communism to America. "For 40 years conservatives fought a two-front battle against statism, against the Soviet empire abroad and the American left at home," right-wing operative Grover Norquist said in 1994. "Now the Soviet Union is gone and conservatives can redeploy. And this time, the other team doesn't have nuclear weapons."
Republicans cracked down on Democrats trying to preserve the active government that had been in place since the 1930s. Aided by talk radio hosts, they increasingly demonized their domestic political opponents. In the 1990 midterm elections, a political action committee associated with House Republican whip Newt Gingrich gave to Republican candidates a document called "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control." It urged candidates to label Democrats with words like "decay," "failure," "crisis," "pathetic," "liberal," "radical," "corrupt," and "taxes," while defining Republicans with words like "opportunity," "moral," "courage," "flag," "children," "common sense," "hard work," and "freedom." Gingrich later told the New York Times his goal was "reshaping the entire nation through the news media."
Their focus on capitalism undermined American democracy. They objected when the Democrats in 1993 made it easier to register to vote by passing the so-called Motor-Voter Act, permitting voters to register at certain state offices. The next year, losing Republican candidates argued that Democrats had won their elections with "voter fraud." In 1996, House and Senate Republicans each launched yearlong investigations into what they insisted were problematic elections, one in Louisiana and one in California. Ultimately, they turned up nothing, but keeping the cases in front of the media for a year helped to convince Americans that voter fraud was a serious issue and that Democrats were winning elections thanks to illegal, usually immigrant, voters.
In 2010 the Supreme Court green-lit the flood of corporate money into our political system with the Citizens' United decision; in 2013 it gutted the provision of the 1965 Voting Rights Act requiring the Department of Justice to sign off on changes to election laws in some states, prompting a slew of discriminatory voter ID laws. In 2010, REDMAP (Redistricting Majority Project) enabled Republicans to take over state legislatures and gerrymander the states dramatically in their own favor.
At the same time, the rise of a market-based economy in the former Soviet republics made it clear that capitalism and democracy were not interchangeable. An oligarchy rose from the ashes of the USSR, and U.S. leaders embraced the leaders of that new system as allies. That allyship has gone so far that this week, the Conservative Political Action Conference held a conference in Hungary, where leader Viktor Orbn, who was a keynote speaker at the event, has openly rejected democracy. At the conference, he called for the right in the U.S. to join forces with those like him; yesterday, he declared martial law in his country.
At home, where our focus on free markets has stacked our political system in favor of the Republicans, the vast majority of Americans want reasonable gun laws, reproductive rights, action on climate change, equality before the law, infrastructure funding, and so on, and their representatives are unable to get those things.
Capitalism, it seems, is also trumping democracy at home.
If you are going to come out and lie like that no one should read anything else you write in a post.J.B.Katz said:
Heather Cox Richardson's analysis.
Remember, this week CPAC met in Hungary, where Victor Orban has effectively ended democracy.
BREAKING: Authorities now confirm they are examining the response of police in Uvalde in the shooting of 19 children amid conflicting witness statements, including what steps they took to stop the gunman. Part of the review will include a timeline based on radio traffic. (1/3)
— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) May 26, 2022
Officials first said a school officer and the gunman exchanged fire. On Wednesday night, they said they could no longer confirm that initial report. We will stay with this to fully understand what happened.
— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) May 26, 2022
He did not come off polished saying it that way....boognish_bear said:Herschel Walker's solution to school shootings involves "a department that can look at young men that's looking at women that's looking at social media." pic.twitter.com/WAi7a4mwgz
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 26, 2022
Sounds like the Justice process in this instance was expedited.cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack. Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children. pic.twitter.com/Rlk0M2B8nR
— Ernie Zuniga (@Ernie_Zuniga) May 26, 2022
except hes not talking about the Justice process, why should 21 people have to die to root out one psycho?ATL Bear said:Sounds like the Justice process in this instance was expedited.cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
There will definitely be mistakes that occurred, especially what happened in the initial interaction. But one factor of holding back parents was to reduce the likelihood of additional victims. Whether they over resourced that instead of engaging the shooter will come out. I'm certain more could have been done though.boognish_bear said:
I know the police response is starting to get dragged on social media....but I think we have to pause a minute. We obviously don't have all the facts yet.
I definitely have questions about why the shooter was not initially confronted with force when he first walked into the building and was apparently seen by the school resource officer.
But once he was in and barricaded himself in the classroom behind a locked door I think the police/border patrol agents were in a very tough spot. Some are already questioning why the police were outside blocking parents and not in the building engaging the shooter.
Well...we already know border patrol agents were inside working on the situation. Some police have to remain outside and maintain order. No matter how brave some of those parents were....letting parents storm into the building was not going to make the situation better.
Assuming the shooter had barricaded himself in the room and the border patrol agents did not have a visual into the room they couldn't just barge in or start firing indiscriminately through the door not knowing if there were still students or staff alive in the room. It sounds weird that they had to wait for a key to the room, but I could see a scenario where that made sense.
I'm sure in the weeks ahead we will start to have a clearer picture and a timeline of events to where we can see where some breakdowns may have occurred.
How would you have rooted him out before the attack?cms186 said:except hes not talking about the Justice process, why should 21 people have to die to root out one psycho?ATL Bear said:Sounds like the Justice process in this instance was expedited.cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
Until pre-crime is invented, we're stuck with prosecuting criminals that commit crimes or killing them during apprehension.cms186 said:except hes not talking about the Justice process, why should 21 people have to die to root out one psycho?ATL Bear said:Sounds like the Justice process in this instance was expedited.cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
Theres plenty of things you can do, obviously we dont know everything about this particular case right now and im sure more things will be come apparent, but not even touching on Gun rights, theres a lot more that can be done with Mental Health care (something your Governor acknowledged, despite having cut 200 million dollars from Mental Health Care budgets in the state)ATL Bear said:Until pre-crime is invented, we're stuck with prosecuting criminals that commit crimes or killing them during apprehension.cms186 said:except hes not talking about the Justice process, why should 21 people have to die to root out one psycho?ATL Bear said:Sounds like the Justice process in this instance was expedited.cms186 said:JUST IN: CNN reporter Alisyn Camerota just confronted a Republican Texas state representative who said gun reform is unnecessary because we should just “convict” the shooters: “Sir, you can’t convict him. He was killed along with 19 children in the school behind me.”
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) May 25, 2022
To "root out" a psycho like this guy requires a lot more trimming off of rights, not gun rights, to be effective.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:If the law becomes effective tonight I will follow the law.Canada2017 said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I thought i had already said yes. I am a law abiding citizen. I would try to pass them out to the younger males in my family but if I couldnt then yes i would certainly surrender them.
If you pass your weapons to others….how is that faithfully obeying the intent of the such a law ?
If I think a law will be made and its beig debated I will give my guns away. My lawyer son will not accept a gun. My son in law probably will. I am not sure about my oldest son. Of course my grandsons are too young to have them.
I am sorry I have not explained well enough. If they make a law I will follow it. I will be passing my guns along when my mother dies because I will have no place to keep them when her house is sold. Except for my great grandfathers service pistol its not a big deal.to me.
