there will be cheating like we have never seen the likes of. economy and inflation is Trumps fault yada yada

No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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People wanted a green nude eel until they got the green nude eel.

Fre3dombear said:

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This is so Hilarious. But 80 million votes wanted this. His first ducking act was to shut down American oil production.

We tried to warn them.

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what production has he specifically shut down? ie, active fields he stopped upon assuming office. I'm unaware.

OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

MSM is way too hard on poor ole Joe...he never gets a break. give the scranton tough guy a chance

bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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Ukraine wouldve been over in March if we didnt keep supplying them with weapons to spur on this proxy war our deep state is intent on running.

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.

OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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Not. A. Chance.

And that's what will shock most everyone but we'll all know why

REPORTER: "On solar panels; how is this not a gift to Chinese solar manufacturers, many of whom operate with forced labor and are subsidized by the Chinese Communist Party?"

JEAN-PIERRE: "Today's announcement is about one country & one county alone & it's the United States." pic.twitter.com/SBjUGVDt46

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 6, 2022

Cobretti said:

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REPORTER: "On solar panels; how is this not a gift to Chinese solar manufacturers, many of whom operate with forced labor and are subsidized by the Chinese Communist Party?"

JEAN-PIERRE: "Today's announcement is about one country & one county alone & it's the United States." pic.twitter.com/SBjUGVDt46

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 6, 2022

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Obama's Third Term

bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

Fre3dombear said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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Not. A. Chance.

And that's what will shock most everyone but we'll all know why

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OK. So when it happens, will you show up here and admit that you were wrong and that the system (while flawed) generally works OK?

OsoCoreyell said:

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bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

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Financing was a problem. ESG investors and activists were pressuring the banks to not finance oil & gas exploration. ESG is garbage.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

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Financing was a problem. ESG investors and activists were pressuring the banks to not finance oil & gas exploration. ESG is garbage.

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Electrified Sodium Glutamate?

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

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Financing was a problem. ESG investors and activists were pressuring the banks to not finance oil & gas exploration. ESG is garbage.

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Electrified Sodium Glutamate?

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Sounds racist.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

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Financing was a problem. ESG investors and activists were pressuring the banks to not finance oil & gas exploration. ESG is garbage.

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ESG contains XOM but no TSLA (since the day after Wlin said he's voting Republican going forward)

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

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Financing was a problem. ESG investors and activists were pressuring the banks to not finance oil & gas exploration. ESG is garbage.

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Electrified Sodium Glutamate?

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Sounds racist.

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I thought it just promoted obesity and sore knee joints

Build Back Better? More like Build Back Beijing https://t.co/B8Cben4KFU

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) June 6, 2022

RMF5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.

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I'm right there with you. I'm not a Biden fan, per se, but I do think he has to ok relative to that tough situation. We cannot allow Putin to do that to people for no reason other than his own pathology . You are correct. We (US/Nato) have to blunt Putin and Xi now or they will not stop. I have skin in the game as we had a Ukrainian exchange student live with us for 2 years while my kids and she were in HS (2017-2018). She lives in Warsaw and is an attorney, but her parents lived about 15 kls outside of Kiev. Their home was destroyed and they had to flee to live with my friend. Totally heartbreaking. As far as Ukraine being our 51st state, is just uniformed and dumb. We fight for freedom or not. Somewhere down the road, it very well may be us. The Ukrainians and a wonderful and tough people and yes, I have been there to visit the family.

muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?

J.R. said:

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RMF5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.

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I'm right there with you. I'm not a Biden fan, per se, but I do think he has to ok relative to that tough situation. We cannot allow Putin to do that to people for no reason other than his own pathology . You are correct. We (US/Nato) have to blunt Putin and Xi now or they will not stop. I have skin in the game as we had a Ukrainian exchange student live with us for 2 years while my kids and she were in HS (2017-2018). She lives in Warsaw and is an attorney, but her parents lived about 15 kls outside of Kiev. Their home was destroyed and they had to flee to live with my friend. Totally heartbreaking. As far as Ukraine being our 51st state, is just uniformed and dumb. We fight for freedom or not. Somewhere down the road, it very well may be us. The Ukrainians and a wonderful and tough people and yes, I have been there to visit the family.

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I just helped get a lady i work with her green card from Ukraine and she was able to get her Grandmother out.

RMF5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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RMF5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.

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I'm right there with you. I'm not a Biden fan, per se, but I do think he has to ok relative to that tough situation. We cannot allow Putin to do that to people for no reason other than his own pathology . You are correct. We (US/Nato) have to blunt Putin and Xi now or they will not stop. I have skin in the game as we had a Ukrainian exchange student live with us for 2 years while my kids and she were in HS (2017-2018). She lives in Warsaw and is an attorney, but her parents lived about 15 kls outside of Kiev. Their home was destroyed and they had to flee to live with my friend. Totally heartbreaking. As far as Ukraine being our 51st state, is just uniformed and dumb. We fight for freedom or not. Somewhere down the road, it very well may be us. The Ukrainians and a wonderful and tough people and yes, I have been there to visit the family.

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I just helped get a lady i work with her green card from Ukraine and she was able to get her Grandmother out.

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good on you!

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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bularry said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, you have to acknowledge that this looks like its going to result in an absolutely epic electoral reckoning.

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oh, for sure.


but unless the Ukraine crap ends, gasoline prices are not coming down

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I think that very much depends upon the type of "gas" you're talking about. No doubt nat gas prices are being globally disturbed by the Ukraine issue, probably somewhere in the 60-65% range, from all information I've seen (i.e. you can likely attribute 60-65% of the increased price to the Ukraine misadventure).

That's not the case with gasoline. From the reports I've seen, the price effect correlation for gasoline and Ukraine is somewhere around 12-15%. The lion's share of the increase is attributable to (1) increased demand from pandemic lows, (2) failure of supply to ramp up from shut-in production to respond properly, (3) major disruption in midstream (both transport and storage, 4) restrained refining capacity. .

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Financing was a problem. ESG investors and activists were pressuring the banks to not finance oil & gas exploration. ESG is garbage.

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Electrified Sodium Glutamate?

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Sounds racist.

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I thought it just promoted obesity and sore knee joints

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Aggie?

J.R. said:

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RMF5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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RMF5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.

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I'm right there with you. I'm not a Biden fan, per se, but I do think he has to ok relative to that tough situation. We cannot allow Putin to do that to people for no reason other than his own pathology . You are correct. We (US/Nato) have to blunt Putin and Xi now or they will not stop. I have skin in the game as we had a Ukrainian exchange student live with us for 2 years while my kids and she were in HS (2017-2018). She lives in Warsaw and is an attorney, but her parents lived about 15 kls outside of Kiev. Their home was destroyed and they had to flee to live with my friend. Totally heartbreaking. As far as Ukraine being our 51st state, is just uniformed and dumb. We fight for freedom or not. Somewhere down the road, it very well may be us. The Ukrainians and a wonderful and tough people and yes, I have been there to visit the family.

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I just helped get a lady i work with her green card from Ukraine and she was able to get her Grandmother out.

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good on you!

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Ukrainians are great employees, even 20-somrthings strong work ethic.

RMF5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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RMF5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.

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I'm right there with you. I'm not a Biden fan, per se, but I do think he has to ok relative to that tough situation. We cannot allow Putin to do that to people for no reason other than his own pathology . You are correct. We (US/Nato) have to blunt Putin and Xi now or they will not stop. I have skin in the game as we had a Ukrainian exchange student live with us for 2 years while my kids and she were in HS (2017-2018). She lives in Warsaw and is an attorney, but her parents lived about 15 kls outside of Kiev. Their home was destroyed and they had to flee to live with my friend. Totally heartbreaking. As far as Ukraine being our 51st state, is just uniformed and dumb. We fight for freedom or not. Somewhere down the road, it very well may be us. The Ukrainians and a wonderful and tough people and yes, I have been there to visit the family.

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I just helped get a lady i work with her green card from Ukraine and she was able to get her Grandmother out.

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very cool

J.R. said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?

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Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.

muddybrazos said:

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J.R. said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?

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Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.

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Again...Educate yourself.

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VaeBear said:

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Gas near me was $4.19 on Thursday. It shot up to $4.49 on Saturday.

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Then $4.69 on Sunday.

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One expert I saw attributed it to increased worldwide demand triggered by reopening Shanghai.
I remember when prices would change 1-5 cents at a time. Now it's often at least a quarter.

Don't worry about the price of gas and filling your car. Just eat Mexican food. That will produce gas. Then just put that in your car.

muddybrazos said:

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J.R. said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?

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Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.

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There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.

RMF5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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This is so Hilarious. But 80 million votes wanted this. His first ducking act was to shut down American oil production.

We tried to warn them.

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Can't argue.

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You should. He's wrong.

RMF5630 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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J.R. said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Booray said:

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And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.

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Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.

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Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?

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Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.

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There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.

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No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.