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President Biden responds to Chevron CEO Michael Wirth complaining about the Biden administration criticizing oil companies:

“He’s mildly sensitive. I didn’t know they get their feelings hurt that quickly.” pic.twitter.com/a6ga4KKCn7

— The Recount (@therecount) June 21, 2022

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Wow... so evil.

He ran on a platform to end all drilling and all fossil fuels. Then he took actions to end it all.
Then the obvious results of his policies occur... and he is so evil that he turns around and blames the guys that he is trying to destroy.
What an evil *******.

GRANHOLM: "As long as our nation remains overly reliant on oil and fossil fuels, we'll feel these price shocks again...the only way out...is diversifying our fuel sources by deploying clean energy." pic.twitter.com/xEKcxI1LIn

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

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GRANHOLM: "As long as our nation remains overly reliant on oil and fossil fuels, we'll feel these price shocks again...the only way out...is diversifying our fuel sources by deploying clean energy." pic.twitter.com/xEKcxI1LIn

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

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Especially, if their proponents cause them...

Hell yeah. Double down.

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GRANHOLM: "As long as our nation remains overly reliant on oil and fossil fuels, we'll feel these price shocks again...the only way out...is diversifying our fuel sources by deploying clean energy." pic.twitter.com/xEKcxI1LIn

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

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Not advocating violence, but somebody needs to go Cher-on-Nicholas-Cage on this arrogant tonedeaf fool.

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GRANHOLM: "As long as our nation remains overly reliant on oil and fossil fuels, we'll feel these price shocks again...the only way out...is diversifying our fuel sources by deploying clean energy." pic.twitter.com/xEKcxI1LIn

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

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Not advocating violence, but somebody needs to go Cher-on-Nicholas-Cage on this arrogant tonedeaf fool.

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I guess Biden could just sign an Executive Order requiring all internal combustion engines to identify as high-performance solar. That should do it.

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GRANHOLM: "As long as our nation remains overly reliant on oil and fossil fuels, we'll feel these price shocks again...the only way out...is diversifying our fuel sources by deploying clean energy." pic.twitter.com/xEKcxI1LIn

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

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Not really buying that.

As long as we have the production and refining capacity we need to take care of ourselves, we would be fine. Gas is 1.50 a gallon in Russia.

Biden: "We're investing nearly $100 billion in public transit" to "take millions of cars off the road."pic.twitter.com/rjmh8zamnr

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 22, 2022

"People love their cars."

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Biden: "We're investing nearly $100 billion in public transit" to "take millions of cars off the road."pic.twitter.com/rjmh8zamnr

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 22, 2022

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This is so stupid. Mass transit takes years, maybe even a decade or so to build, especially if government is involved.

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Biden: "We're investing nearly $100 billion in public transit" to "take millions of cars off the road."pic.twitter.com/rjmh8zamnr

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 22, 2022

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This is so stupid. Mass transit takes years, maybe even a decade or so to build, especially if government is involved.

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in plain english- we are spending billions to "help" people in our districts- Biden and the Democrats in Washington

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Biden: "We're investing nearly $100 billion in public transit" to "take millions of cars off the road."pic.twitter.com/rjmh8zamnr

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 22, 2022

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This is so stupid. Mass transit takes years, maybe even a decade or so to build, especially if government is involved.

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in plain english- we are spending billions to "help" people in our districts- Biden and the Democrats in Washington

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Yep. Pet projects designed to move money into hands that scratch their backs.

100B In public transportation is a laughable amount. The average price of a bus is around $190,000. Average for a single rail car is about the same. $100B is a drop in the bucket in terms of the costs of units alone, nevermind 1.5 million on average for every mile of rail. That amount seems huge, it won't change mass transit in any way at all.

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Biden: "We're investing nearly $100 billion in public transit" to "take millions of cars off the road."pic.twitter.com/rjmh8zamnr

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 22, 2022

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This is so stupid. Mass transit takes years, maybe even a decade or so to build, especially if government is involved.

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Mass transit is not an answer. Fun with numbers.

Transit represent about 2% of the trips in the US.
Transportation spending on transit about 2%
Trips are expected to grow by 48% by 2040
Even if you tripled transit spending and capacity every 5 years, you will not even come close to accounting for the new demand, never-ending existing.

To put in perspective, the highest percent of transit trips right now is London approaching 50% in a highly urban area. That is in a city, not nationwide.

Copenhagen, 67% with up to 50% being bike. Once again highly urban. How?
Car sales tax 100%.
Insurance double ours
Fuel even now more expensive
Signals favor cyclist
Parking close to triple US city rate.

So, who takes transit and cycles? The poor and young. Why they can't afford it. They price them out. Only the rich can drive. You think that will fly here?

Gotta be a mix and gotta make it more competitive or won't come close to transit being a majority of trips in cities. Not nationwide.

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Biden: "We're investing nearly $100 billion in public transit" to "take millions of cars off the road."pic.twitter.com/rjmh8zamnr

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 22, 2022

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This is so stupid. Mass transit takes years, maybe even a decade or so to build, especially if government is involved.

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Mass transit is not an answer. Fun with numbers.

Transit represent about 2% of the trips in the US.
Transportation spending on transit about 2%
Trips are expected to grow by 48% by 2040
Even if you tripled transit spending and capacity every 5 years, you will not even come close to accounting for the new demand, never-ending existing.

To put in perspective, the highest percent of transit trips right now is London approaching 50% in a highly urban area. That is in a city, not nationwide.

Copenhagen, 67% with up to 50% being bike. Once again highly urban. How?
Car sales tax 100%.
Insurance double ours
Fuel even now more expensive
Signals favor cyclist
Parking close to triple US city rate.

So, who takes transit and cycles? The poor and young. Why they can't afford it. They price them out. Only the rich can drive. You think that will fly here?

Gotta be a mix and gotta make it more competitive or won't come close to transit being a majority of trips in cities. Not nationwide.

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If the question is how can I get tax dollars to my supporters and make it look like something other than political payback, it's a very good answer.

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GRANHOLM: "As long as our nation remains overly reliant on oil and fossil fuels, we'll feel these price shocks again...the only way out...is diversifying our fuel sources by deploying clean energy." pic.twitter.com/xEKcxI1LIn

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

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I didn't think there could be a more aloof, out of touch, elitist politician than John Kerry...then I see Jennifer Granholm. Wow.

The Press Sec saying <checks notes> 18 cents/gallon for 3 months "goes a long way".
18 cents at 15 gallons per week over 3 months equals a whopping $32!

They don't give a **** about you, they are throwing scraps for charity and votes.

Granholm today: Saving 18 cents at the pump is "a modest amount."

KJP, literally 10 minutes later: Saving 18 cents at the pump "is going to go a long way." pic.twitter.com/XLiackNGQ0

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 22, 2022

Dem power brokers are not stupid .


They bloody well realize present technology is not available to replace oil and natural gas. They bloody well realize the vast majority of Americans can't afford electric vehicles even if they were available....which generally they are not .


So one needs to reach other conclusions for these actions .

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If only half your car, house, life wasn't plastic/silicon from slaves in China right? Then you'd really have the moral high road!

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I'm in complete support of having all my stuff Made in America. Now, if only all the companies felt the same way. Moral high road still intact.

But I digress.... so, your line of reasoning is that child slaves are fine as long as there are other child slaves building other stuff too?

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My reasoning is that you complaining that EVs are built using slave labor, when your car also is, is hypocritical, and I think your meme is therefore stupid.

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If only half your car, house, life wasn't plastic/silicon from slaves in China right? Then you'd really have the moral high road!

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I'm in complete support of having all my stuff Made in America. Now, if only all the companies felt the same way. Moral high road still intact.

But I digress.... so, your line of reasoning is that child slaves are fine as long as there are other child slaves building other stuff too?

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My reasoning is that you complaining that EVs are built using slave labor, when your car also is, is hypocritical, and I think your meme is therefore stupid

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You don't think it's stupid. You just hate that it's true

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Dem power brokers are not stupid .


They bloody well realize present technology is not available to replace oil and natural gas. They bloody well realize the vast majority of Americans can't afford electric vehicles even if they were available....which generally they are not .


So one needs to reach other conclusions for these actions .

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What is your guess?

I think it may be more simple. Idealogues lose sight of basic economic principles. They thought they could fk around with the oil and gas industry all they wanted, for political points, and that the consequences would be tolerable. They're so eaten up with their own BS ideology that they're shocked when fundamental economics smacks them in the face. And they didn't expect the public blowback to be as bad as it is. Now, they're in a bad spot, because they're hurting all working class people, but they can't reverse course without losing their left wing climate holocaust crew.

Basically, this administration is run by Gen Z on twitter.

Mass transit is just not the answer for so many of our cities because of how far away people live from work/ how spread out the cities are.

Take Waco for example. A small city. Mass transit doesn't work here because a large number of people live outside the actual city limits. So to take a bus to get from Woodway, Hewitt, Robinson, etc. would then require multiple buses to get to your location. But still probably with a drive or walk to get to the stop in the suburb and then a walk to your actual destination.

IN the last week I have seen at least 3 or 4 times where an ambulance is stopped at one of the bus stops in town treating someone that looks to have collapsed from the heat. It could have just been a person sitting there in the shade but if it is someone riding the bus that doesn't speak well for mass transit in Texas in the summer.

Not to mention for most people they don't like the thought of having to leave 30 minutes or more earlier to account for travel time when they can just drive direct through. Sometimes the time saved is worth the cost of doing something. Driving is one of those.

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$6 gallon for gas, its the fault of <checks notes> the religious right...

Or this is just a very,very, very bad impression of George Carlin.

“The religious right are responsible for the high gas prices.” She gets her information from @RBReich… pic.twitter.com/sM3war3Sx3

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 19, 2022

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is this quash?
makes about as much sense as quash.... probably more sense than quash

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You don't believe the market is at work here?

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Dem power brokers are not stupid .


They bloody well realize present technology is not available to replace oil and natural gas. They bloody well realize the vast majority of Americans can't afford electric vehicles even if they were available....which generally they are not .


So one needs to reach other conclusions for these actions .

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What is your guess?

I think it may be more simple. Idealogues lose sight of basic economic principles. They thought they could fk around with the oil and gas industry all they wanted, for political points, and that the consequences would be tolerable. They're so eaten up with their own BS ideology that they're shocked when fundamental economics smacks them in the face. And they didn't expect the public blowback to be as bad as it is. Now, they're in a bad spot, because they're hurting all working class people, but they can't reverse course without losing their left wing climate holocaust crew.

Basically, this administration is run by Gen Z on twitter.

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Possibly .....but there are some incredibly successful --brilliant individuals writing the big checks to the Democratic Party operatives. Doubt such brainiacs would be so blind or shortsighted .

I believe this is all intentional.....an effort to destroy capitalism . Make the majority of people fully dependent upon the federal government. Fully dependent on a relative handful of the elite class and their concepts of noblesse oblige.

1984 is here.

Biden says Americans will have to stomach high gas prices “as long as it takes” to beat back Putin’s invasion of Ukraine https://t.co/npiUbJaZDl

— Bloomberg (@business) June 30, 2022

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Biden says Americans will have to stomach high gas prices “as long as it takes” to beat back Putin’s invasion of Ukraine https://t.co/npiUbJaZDl

— Bloomberg (@business) June 30, 2022

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I assume he's lying on purpose, but he might actually believe it.

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Reduce our impact? That is where I have an issue. What impact? Carbon? There is more to the environment than Carbon, it is not even the most destructive Greenhouse gas. EV's are just as destructive to the environment as a whole. They rely on petroleum based products to build. The REMs needs are horrific to mine, never mind China controls most. The electric is still being produced by LNG and Coal. Finally, they are facist as only the rich can afford, social justice nightmare no one brings up (But, try to built a toll lane!) : )

Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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We already have a massive impact. I can't help you if you can't find sound scientists to listen to.

EVs may not be a lot better than gasoline cars now, but gas cars have had quite some time to improve. EVs will far outstrip them in the next 20 years. Again, beginning a gradual transition is more important than the near term result.

I am no huge lover of EVs. I have an old project car I'm going to drive till it's dust. But at a certain price point, and gas price point, I'll be tempted for the second car.

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That is because you have **** for brains. Just saying.

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ShooterTX said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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$6 gallon for gas, its the fault of <checks notes> the religious right...

Or this is just a very,very, very bad impression of George Carlin.

“The religious right are responsible for the high gas prices.” She gets her information from @RBReich… pic.twitter.com/sM3war3Sx3

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 19, 2022

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is this quash?
makes about as much sense as quash.... probably more sense than quash

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You don't believe the market is at work here?

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Not entirely. Government is putting its hands on the scales a bit.

Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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If only half your car, house, life wasn't plastic/silicon from slaves in China right? Then you'd really have the moral high road!

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I'm in complete support of having all my stuff Made in America. Now, if only all the companies felt the same way. Moral high road still intact.

But I digress.... so, your line of reasoning is that child slaves are fine as long as there are other child slaves building other stuff too?

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My reasoning is that you complaining that EVs are built using slave labor, when your car also is, is hypocritical, and I think your meme is therefore stupid

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You don't think it's stupid. You just hate that it's true

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Are you making sense to yourself? I just agreed it's true, and now you tell me I hate it's true. I'm saying something else is also true, and pretending to have thee moral high road is stupid. I really do think blatant hypocrisy is stupid. But don't let me tell you what goes on in my head, I'm sure you know better than me.

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Porteroso said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Reduce our impact? That is where I have an issue. What impact? Carbon? There is more to the environment than Carbon, it is not even the most destructive Greenhouse gas. EV's are just as destructive to the environment as a whole. They rely on petroleum based products to build. The REMs needs are horrific to mine, never mind China controls most. The electric is still being produced by LNG and Coal. Finally, they are facist as only the rich can afford, social justice nightmare no one brings up (But, try to built a toll lane!) : )

Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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We already have a massive impact. I can't help you if you can't find sound scientists to listen to.

EVs may not be a lot better than gasoline cars now, but gas cars have had quite some time to improve. EVs will far outstrip them in the next 20 years. Again, beginning a gradual transition is more important than the near term result.

I am no huge lover of EVs. I have an old project car I'm going to drive till it's dust. But at a certain price point, and gas price point, I'll be tempted for the second car.

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That is because you have **** for brains. Just saying.

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I can appreciate the how simple of a hater you are. Don't even try to engage, just throw shade as the kids say.

Gasoline futures down 60 cents in the past three weeks. Will be reflected at the pump in the coming weeks, though likely not as dramatic as that.

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Porteroso said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Reduce our impact? That is where I have an issue. What impact? Carbon? There is more to the environment than Carbon, it is not even the most destructive Greenhouse gas. EV's are just as destructive to the environment as a whole. They rely on petroleum based products to build. The REMs needs are horrific to mine, never mind China controls most. The electric is still being produced by LNG and Coal. Finally, they are facist as only the rich can afford, social justice nightmare no one brings up (But, try to built a toll lane!) : )

Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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We already have a massive impact. I can't help you if you can't find sound scientists to listen to.

EVs may not be a lot better than gasoline cars now, but gas cars have had quite some time to improve. EVs will far outstrip them in the next 20 years. Again, beginning a gradual transition is more important than the near term result.

I am no huge lover of EVs. I have an old project car I'm going to drive till it's dust. But at a certain price point, and gas price point, I'll be tempted for the second car.

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That is because you have **** for brains. Just saying.

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I can appreciate the how simple of a hater you are. Don't even try to engage, just throw shade as the kids say.

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No reason to engage with the lost. Save your ammunition.

nein51 said:

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100B In public transportation is a laughable amount. The average price of a bus is around $190,000. Average for a single rail car is about the same. $100B is a drop in the bucket in terms of the costs of units alone, nevermind 1.5 million on average for every mile of rail. That amount seems huge, it won't change mass transit in any way at all.

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Mass transit is not competitive and people do not want to use it. Everyone says look at Europe and the rail system.

• The rail system is intercity, not 1st mile, last mile, which does nothing for the majority of the trips (only really competing against air travel).
• The ROW for those tracks have been in place for over 100 years, try buying the ROW to create that system in the US.
• The way the "successful" transit systems get ridership is pricing people out of cars. Those wealthy enough to want to drive can still drive in Copenhagen, London, Singapore, Stockholm, etc.
• The non-car areas are limited. For example, Amsterdam. They have a great bike/ped area. But it is in the Central Business District, a limited area. In the US, it is like Boston and Fenway Park. No cars maybe 1 mile by 1 mile. NOT THE WHOLE CITY!
• Almost all the great transit cities are still building roads. Amsterdam just opened a new toll road and the speed harmonization with dynamic pricing is the most sophisticated in the world.
• It is also top 20 in GDP with the land mass of Maryland. Like Singapore, alot of money for small land mass equals high quality services.
• US laws do not help transit. Many States require County-wide services. Almost impossible to create a system to handle a County in many areas of US. It is a pipe-dream.

I agree. It's a ridiculous waste…but it's not a crazy amount of money. It won't even go far.