Large SUV, perfect for my business. Decent range. I saw it in person it's a good looking truck/SUV.Canada2017 said:Good deal.nein51 said:I put a deposit on a Hummer EV3X the other day. Coming Spring 2024.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
What features appealed to you most ?
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nein51 said:whiterock said:If there was pent-up demand for inter-city rail, we'd already have it, but that never stops politicians from offering solutions in search of a problem.RMF5630 said:
The US did have successful mass transit. Part of the issue is people distrust mass transit, which comes from companies like GM buying trolley and train companies, and either dismantling them or not maintaining them, creating the perception of unreliability.
At one time, had we made a push towards mass transit, our country would look very different now, so advanced were our trains. Instead, the greedy part of capitalism snuffed out an entire sector of the economy, long range mass ground transit.
It could still easily work, but the same companies that ruined mass transit will lobby against it. I say easy, but in reality it would all be uphill. Too much money would be made by its failure.
What you are describing is the a policy telling everyone what they have to use. That is not the same thing. If the trolley systems made money or were desired over the automobile they would have survived. Some places kept them, such as San Fran, New Orleans or they developed into other systems like BRT, subways and bus lines. This policy is pushing an 18th century technology to be forced back into the system. Buses are a much more efficient transit vehicle and with platooning you can even create bus trains that operate on existing roads, no billion dollar investment in tracks. Leave rail to intercity, more efficient...
But (horror) highest and best use of capital means more profit.
Profit is bad (according to the left).
So profit is the reason we don't have mass transit.
We let people make money on transportation needs as expressed in a free market rather than government deciding via central planning what transportation solutions would be. And we still have utopianists trying to undo it all because they think they know better, spending monies on solutions looking for problems.
Building more mass transportation is a solution to nothing bedeviling us now on transportation. Factories are no longer located in multi-story office buildings in major metro areas. Jobs are much more dispersed geographically than they were at the onset of the industrial revolution. We have vehicles and highways because land use made them the most efficient means of conveyance for commerce.
Best post on mass transit i have seen in a while. Work 30+ years in transportation. There are few places where densities allow mass transit to be sustainable. The problem I see is the new Utopians serm to forget that each trip is a person living their life. Not building a lane that serves 2000 trips per hour for some social concern only hurts the common person. I dont think they care.
But if the impact of an activity (driving a car) imposes costs (climate change) on someone who has no say (my two-year old grandson) on pricing, demand by itself is not society's best way to determine what products to sell.
Is carbon really the problem or just the easiest to market? Ever hear of the Solar Minimus? According to some parts of science being too cold is going to be more of a problem in 10 or so years. There are way too many questions to totally scrap our energy system and basically destroy civilization as the necessities of civilization cement, plastic, steel and ammonia. All petro based.
On the equity side, price controls don't stop those with money from doing it. So, we will artificially price it so that if you can afford it you can drive, if not on a bike? Wasn't that the argument against tolls? It was only the rich that avoided traffic. Now, it doesn't matter because you like this movement?
This is all a feel good circle jerk that is not going to solve anything. But it will infringe on individual freedom. In my opinion, the question that should be asked is the change we are seeing actionable or informational, not can we stop it? We would be better served working on mitigation and resiliency strategies. By the way, no invention has given more people freedom to move, access to opportunity and control over their lives than the car. I am against taking that away.
Was building the interstate system with tax dollars a loss of freedom?
Actually, that was responsible Government spending for several reasons.
1 to a scale private sector can't do.
2 serves national defense function
3 supports interstate commerce
4 everyone benefits
Infrastructure is well within. Govt pursue. Much more than the COVID stimulus. Or any other social program. Infrastructure is a core function of govt. Ike knew... We can use another Ike.
You're surely joking. Of course 1 private company wouldn't build the entire interstate system, but a trucking company connecting 2 big hubs? Of course they could.
It's lost on many that there were grumbling about it when it happened, people making these same arguments. Waste of money, government overreach, etc. Of course it was done based upon a different premise.
In the end though it was the exact same thing, same arguments. It was in America's best interest to connect cities, not only for the public, but in the case of intracontinental war. It is in America's best interest that citizens be able to travel for tourism or whatever else, so the government regulates cars and travel, guess what because private companies wouldn't do as good of a job.
These are all technically losses of freedom, but if you have blinders on you just accept them for reality, and parrot your freedom argument selectively based upon whatever strikes a fancy. It's ridiculous that you could hold the opinion that connecting cities via roads was good and not an abuse of federal power, but connecting them via train track would be. The same military argument easily fits in, and clearly people would use long range trains given that the price and speed was right.
As for freedom, the car and limited access system has done more for personal freedom and independence than any other invention. You can live where you want, more job options, education options, the list goes on. The interstate system provided unimaginable access, economic development and opportunity. Will something else come that rivals it? Not that allows you to have the freedom to come and go where you want, when you want and in a variety of styles. Mr, Musk and Bezos will determine what you do and when. Real free... I'll pay my 45$ registration.
If you're trying to argue against mass transit you must have another set of arguments, because you just wrote several reasons to support government supported mass transit.
I am not against mass transit. The only way the US will ever get an intercity rail system like Europe is as a Federal project with a dedicated funding source.
Just do not take away options, we need it all -limited access roads, toll roads, rail, bus, peds, and trails. It is the short sighted all or nothing for one mode that I have worked against.
It's almost like all of Europe is set up for that and the US just isn't.
If we spend every single dollar of the US budget for the next 5 years on high speed rail/rail/light rail/mass transit I'm not sure it would be enough money to actually have a functioning system that worked for even 25% of the population.
I'm not even sure what the discussion is anymore. My point is just that there are places where mass transit in the form of subway or modern light rail would benefit everyone, but of course not everywhere. The growth of passenger trains was largely ******ed by other transportation industries early in the industrial age. Whether investing in intracity mass transit is a good idea or not is a case by case discussion. I'm only pointing out that it has worked before in America, and could benefit certain cities if the government were to invest in it.
Whether transit is supremely profitable or not may be the ultimate test for viability in the private sector, but the government has markedly different goals.
Rapidly expanding cities require more capacity for transit which the private sector cannot provide. I can't get sick of my hour long daily commute and go pave a new lane for myself, say in Dallas, even with a billion dollars. I maybe could get a helicopter, but better yet is alternate forms of mass transit. Mass transit fills several needs, of reduced traffic, more capacity, in many cases faster travel times, and accessibility/reliability to anyone. Busses do this well but are still limited in nature.
Anyways I've made my point. You either recognize reality or you don't. Real arguments would have to be on a case by case basis.
I am looking at a range of 320 miles ( supposedly ).nein51 said:Large SUV, perfect for my business. Decent range. I saw it in person it's a good looking truck/SUV.Canada2017 said:Good deal.nein51 said:I put a deposit on a Hummer EV3X the other day. Coming Spring 2024.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
What features appealed to you most ?
What will the Hummer do ?
In the US, I agree with you. Air travel does it more efficiently for the miles traveled. Other parts of the world, the rail system makes sense. But, it is still an 18th Century solution, why invest in an 18th Century solution when we can work on a 20th or even 21st Century solution?He Hate Me said:
Southwest Airlines was built by a lawyer and a couple of other guys writing a triangle on a paper napkin. The triangle was Dallas-San Antonio-Houston-Dallas. Maybe rail does not work because not enough people want it.
I think the 3X claims 360. You'll be like me though where the winter mileage will not be nearly that good. I have a 60 mile drive each way so I'll plug in to 220V at the house and plug in to 220V (I have 3 phase 480 but I dont think a charger is available) at the warehouse and it can charge all day. I dont pay for electric at the shop as I rent a portion of the building for my business.Canada2017 said:I am looking at a range of 320 miles ( supposedly ).nein51 said:Large SUV, perfect for my business. Decent range. I saw it in person it's a good looking truck/SUV.Canada2017 said:Good deal.nein51 said:I put a deposit on a Hummer EV3X the other day. Coming Spring 2024.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
What features appealed to you most ?
What will the Hummer do ?
I do have a handful of trailers and will at least have the ability to pull them to and from the house though I doubt much further. I know the F150 Lightning recently tested in Colorado managed about 80 miles with a trailer that weighs less than any of mine.
Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
I certainly hope so !Rawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
Can't understand the language in the video.RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
It's English.Canada2017 said:Can't understand the language in the video.RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
I don't think the verbage is necessary to get the point. Your car has some serious torque...Canada2017 said:Can't understand the language in the video.RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
So before getting too excited about this is this race between professional drivers or amateurs? Were they fair in all aspects or was it set out to show the electric as faster?RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
cowboycwr said:So before getting too excited about this is this race between professional drivers or amateurs? Were they fair in all aspects or was it set out to show the electric as faster?RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
The race isn't "fair." An electric motor provides maximum torque immediately.
cowboycwr said:So before getting too excited about this is this race between professional drivers or amateurs? Were they fair in all aspects or was it set out to show the electric as faster?RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
The HP was the same. EV had more torque of course. Longer the race went, the advantage shifted to V8. But, it was a good demonstration that EVs can be fun.
D. C. Bear said:cowboycwr said:So before getting too excited about this is this race between professional drivers or amateurs? Were they fair in all aspects or was it set out to show the electric as faster?RMF5630 said:Canada2017 said:Got the California package .nein51 said:Depends heavily on the trim level IMORawhide said:Neighbor has a Mach E. I think they look better in person than in photos on the internet.Canada2017 said:Bought it only because the reviews last November rated it as the best EV available.RMF5630 said:Let me know how you like it. I have always been a big Mustang fan, was a bit disappointed with the appearance of this E. Didn't strike me as a "Mustang", but I guess not as bad as the Mustang 2! Be very curious if you get the muscle car feel that makes the Mustang so much fun.Canada2017 said:
Ford Mustang Mach E finally gets delivered next Tuesday .
5 months late .
Can't decide if its the dumbest purchase I have ever made or the best.
The looks are definitely meh.
Check this out. Gotta luv EV torque.
The race isn't "fair." An electric motor provides maximum torque immediately.
Yes, that is a strength of electric motors and why locomotives and mining equipment are electric. But, over distance the V8 gets its legs and the EV has to struggle to hold on.
It was impressive enough that for a street car, EVs can be fun