SIC EM 94 said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Sin is the garbage you spew on a daily basis. Sin is the hypocrite you are on a daily basis. You claim to be a church leader, you are nothing but a vile excuse of a religious man.

---

Be respectful. And what about your sin of being a gossip and spreading hate about me? I simply quoted Jesus. So what is sin?

BearN said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Quoting Matthew 15:19 - You're being ironic, right?

---

What is sin?

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

Humans "interpret" the scriptures as to sin which leads to condoning slavery, the slaughter of enemies, wearing different fabrics, having tattoos, etc. For me the key is how Jesus interprets the scriptures of the OT. He is after all the Word made flesh Watch Him then you will know what to do.. He is final word interpretation and authority. And you are right we keep refining our interpretations but always look to the authority of Jesus..

bearhouse said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

---

Then either you don't know the background data ...or don't care.

---

The Jews hated the Samaritans for their religious views and differences. And what did Jesus tell us to do?

---

Acts 1:But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." They are included in God's grace.

Wangchung said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

People who do not see faith as necessary in order to be a Christian won't see the offense.

---

Faith is absolutely essential to the offense as Jesus sees it; that is, with grace

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

The Rickest Rick There Is said:

---

Sin = separation from God

---

And where sin abound then grace all the more abounded. Romans

D. C. Bear said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Is this supposed to be controversial for Christians?

---

Yes

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

So because someone interprets the Bible differently than you do, there is no greater evil? Lmao.

---

James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers,(A) my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged(B) more strictly.

Matt 18:6: But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to fall awayit would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea. (CSB)

I try to maintain a modicum of respect with 47 even though I find his positions and position of authority in the church very problematic. But scripture is pretty clear that those who are teachers that lead others astray are better off dead.

---

Please flag mothra's post. It is hateful and trolling.

Wangchung said:

---

So scripture isn't enough to determine why Christians have a problem with 47? We have to go by feelings when dealing with heretics?

---

How does one determine a heretic? You are not the judge. Then Who is? You slandering me.

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

So because someone interprets the Bible differently than you do, there is no greater evil? Lmao.

---

James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers,(A) my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged(B) more strictly.

Matt 18:6: But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to fall awayit would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea. (CSB)

I try to maintain a modicum of respect with 47 even though I find his positions and position of authority in the church very problematic. But scripture is pretty clear that those who are teachers that lead others astray are better off dead.

---

47 has consistently stated that he believes in the good news of Jesus Christ and gave scriptural & personal reasons why.

He is not turning people away from Christianity, but perhaps from your interpretation on what the correct way to practice Christianity is. Can we please not wish death on a fellow brother in Christ just trying to have an honest, theological conversation?

---

Actually, 47 stated reasons for being Christian do not find any support in the basic tenets of Christianity. I have had numerous discussions with him on this topic. Among other things, he denies the deity of Christ, and believes he is dead. He is purposely vague and inconsistent in his beliefs, which is why it's understandable he has mistakenly led you to believe he believes in the good news of Jesus Christ. But he does not believe that Good News, as it is plainly stated in scripture.

Having different interpretations of scripture is fine. I differ with numerous Christians on my interpretations, as I am sure you do. But I think if you are a Christian, we would both agree there are some basic core beliefs and tenets one must believe in order to actually be Christian. Two of those are tenets I described above - tenets with which 47 differs. And I am sorry, but scripture is clear one's positions on those subjects do indeed separate the wheat from the chaff.

When you preach something other than the Good News of Jesus Christ, you are turning people away from scripture. All of the NT writers talked about these false teachers. Scripture says it would be better for them to be dead. Now, does that mean I wish death on '47? Of course not, and I think you know it was intellectually dishonest and a purposeful mischaracterization on your part to describe my comments as such.

In the future, I would suggest not engaging in false characterizations of others comments. It's not Christ-like.

---

Who decides that I am a false teacher? Not you. You offered no proof of reasoning with me about what I actually. You make up an interpretation and apply it to me.

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Now, does that mean I wish death on '47? Of course not, and I think you know it was intellectually dishonest and a purposeful mischaracterization on your part to describe my comments as such.

In the future, I would suggest not engaging in false characterizations of others comments. It's not Christ-like.

---

My apologies - I misread your previous post. I admittedly assumed you were using the text to allude to that.

---

Thank you.

I like to engage with '47, and try to maintain a modicum of respect. Engagement is the only way to change hearts and minds. I don't think he's a bad dude - certainly no worse than myself - just misguided in his beliefs.

---

You are not respectful to me and you did say I should die because I am a false teacher.

Waco1947 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

So scripture isn't enough to determine why Christians have a problem with 47? We have to go by feelings when dealing with heretics?

---

How does one determine a heretic? You are not the judge. Then Who is? You slandering me.

---

Nope. Your perversion of Christianity is there for all to see. Truth isn't slander, it's just a bitter pill you cannot swallow.

D. C. Bear said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Is this supposed to be controversial for Christians?

---

I am not going for controversial but discussion. Sin is what comes out the heart. Is that rue for you?

Waco1947 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers,(A) my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged(B) more strictly.

Matt 18:6: But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to fall awayit would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea. (CSB)

I try to maintain a modicum of respect with 47 even though I find his positions and position of authority in the church very problematic. But scripture is pretty clear that those who are teachers that lead others astray are better off dead.

---

Please flag mothra's post. It is hateful and trolling.

---

I completely disagree with this statement. He pointed out two VERY strong passages about those who teach falsely or lead others astray.

The denial of a physically resurrected Jesus is heretical. To lead others to that heresy is potentially damning to one's soul as mentioned in the passages above.

BaylorJacket said:
Across the various denominations of Christianity from 40AD to present, you will find similar core beliefs:

• The Bible is God inspired
• God's the loving parent of all people
• Sinful actions have consequence & separation from God
• Jesus Christ reveals the character and nature of God
• Jesus Christ was crucified
• Jesus Christ was resurrected

I agree with all these tenets.

Mothra's interpretations of these tenets are his not mine. I don't disparage his remarks but he insists only own his own interpretation

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

---

100% truth.

So either you fear the fast approaching eternal consequences of your actions or in your current mental state you have 'forgiven' yourself .

Either way..............enjoy your current situation .

Canada2017 said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

---

100% truth.

So either you fear the fast approaching eternal consequences of your actions or in your current mental state you have 'forgiven' yourself .

Either way..............enjoy your current situation .

---

Posters please flag these lies

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

---

100% truth.

So either you fear the fast approaching eternal consequences of your actions or in your current mental state you have 'forgiven' yourself .

Either way..............enjoy your current situation .

---

Posters please flag these lies

---

Day nurse....please give this 'minister' his cookies.

Canada2017 said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

---

100% truth.

So either you fear the fast approaching eternal consequences of your actions or in your current mental state you have 'forgiven' yourself .

Either way..............enjoy your current situation .

---

Posters please flag these lies

---

Day nurse....please give this 'minister' his cookies.

---

Posters please flag the hate of Canada.

Waco1947 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

So scripture isn't enough to determine why Christians have a problem with 47? We have to go by feelings when dealing with heretics?

---

How does one determine a heretic? You are not the judge. Then Who is? You slandering me.

---

I would suppose by comparing what a teacher of the Word says and compare it with actual scripture says.

It is true nobody besides God is the judge.

We all fall short in many ways. We can't dispute this either.

However God said By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. Psalm 33:6 John1:3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So God said it and it was. I believe this. This is certainly supernatural.

I know you have said God is not into the supernatural. Or doesn't operate in the supernatural. I disagree there.

You have also said our sexuality is a gift from God and that homosexual acts fall under this. The Bible is clear, that it is an unnatural use of the body.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.

This isn't talking about rape or abuse, but for a man to want to lay with another man is lust. Acting on that lust is sin.

Also you have said, marriage is valid between 2 men or 2 women, same sex marriage. Jesus himself said.

4 He said to them, "Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? 5 It says, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.' 6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together."

Same sex unions are not marriage. I'm not saying it isn't a relationship, but it isn't a marriage relationship.


The one I really don't get is your adamant defense of "Choice". As it is called, or "reproductive rights", or "healthcare" as one pundit called it. What is actually is, is the ending of a pre-born life, a life that is totally defenseless.

I don't understand you defending the life taker, but not defending the one who loses their life, with no way to defend themselves.

KJ21

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

Does this mention the word abortion, no not specfically, but I cannot imagine the God that knows us "in the womb" wants our life snuffed out "in the womb". I believe sincerely, life extends to the womb.

There are other points of disagreement I have had, these are just a few.

I have so many faults and flaws I can't call someone a heretic, nor is it my job to do, God alone can judge that.

But, if you call yourself a teacher, or pastor, or minister, you must watch what you say, "your doctrine" more closely to be agreement with what is written. That is a burden I don't want, but for those called pastor, looking at modern day christianity, and I'm talking evangelicals, word of faith, mainline old school protestant, I believe way too many pastors and churches have lost their calling. That a large portion of the church has lost their way.
And they are into "pleasing man" instead of "pleasing God".

Not just you, but myself and everybody who calls themselves christian need to constantly examine themselves. I know I fall way short, way to often.

Waco1947 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Now, does that mean I wish death on '47? Of course not, and I think you know it was intellectually dishonest and a purposeful mischaracterization on your part to describe my comments as such.

In the future, I would suggest not engaging in false characterizations of others comments. It's not Christ-like.

---

My apologies - I misread your previous post. I admittedly assumed you were using the text to allude to that.

---

Thank you.

I like to engage with '47, and try to maintain a modicum of respect. Engagement is the only way to change hearts and minds. I don't think he's a bad dude - certainly no worse than myself - just misguided in his beliefs.

---

You are not respectful to me and you did say I should die because I am a false teacher.

---

I never said anything of the sort. I quoted what scripture says about false teachers. And yes, I believe you are absolutely a false teacher, and I pray that you see the light and come to saving knowledge of Jesus. But at no point did I say I thought you should die.

That is a lie.

Waco1947 said:

---

BaylorJacket said:
Across the various denominations of Christianity from 40AD to present, you will find similar core beliefs:

• The Bible is God inspired
• God's the loving parent of all people
• Sinful actions have consequence & separation from God
• Jesus Christ reveals the character and nature of God
• Jesus Christ was crucified
• Jesus Christ was resurrected

I agree with all these tenets.

Mothra's interpretations of these tenets are his not mine. I don't disparage his remarks but he insists only own his own interpretation

---

You are not being honest, 47. You have already gone on record as saying you believe Jesus is not physically alive and was not raised from the dead. You do not believe him to be deity. These are things you have said in our discussions.

Waco1947 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Now, does that mean I wish death on '47? Of course not, and I think you know it was intellectually dishonest and a purposeful mischaracterization on your part to describe my comments as such.

In the future, I would suggest not engaging in false characterizations of others comments. It's not Christ-like.

---

My apologies - I misread your previous post. I admittedly assumed you were using the text to allude to that.

---

Thank you.

I like to engage with '47, and try to maintain a modicum of respect. Engagement is the only way to change hearts and minds. I don't think he's a bad dude - certainly no worse than myself - just misguided in his beliefs.

---

You are not respectful to me and you did say I should die because I am a false teacher.

---

He was clearly paraphrasing scripture, and unlike your attempts, he was doing it correctly. JESUS said It would be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and jump in the sea than to lead the little ones astray. Which is what you do when you endorse abominations like homosexuality and abortion.

Sin is that which is contrary to the will of God.

Waco1947 said:

---

D. C. Bear said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Is this supposed to be controversial for Christians?

---

Yes

---

Why? This seems like basic, simple things.

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

---

You are disgusting and proving that all the things being said about you are true. What kind of "minister" would ever say "God D**n"? I pray you are able to get some help…you clearly need it!

BearN said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Now, does that mean I wish death on '47? Of course not, and I think you know it was intellectually dishonest and a purposeful mischaracterization on your part to describe my comments as such.

In the future, I would suggest not engaging in false characterizations of others comments. It's not Christ-like.

---

My apologies - I misread your previous post. I admittedly assumed you were using the text to allude to that.

---

Thank you.

I like to engage with '47, and try to maintain a modicum of respect. Engagement is the only way to change hearts and minds. I don't think he's a bad dude - certainly no worse than myself - just misguided in his beliefs.

---

You are not respectful to me and you did say I should die because I am a false teacher.

---

He was clearly paraphrasing scripture, and unlike your attempts, he was doing it correctly. JESUS said It would be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and jump in the sea than to lead the little ones astray. Which is what you do when you endorse abominations like homosexuality and abortion.

---

so he was paraphrasing. He compared me to a false teacher and set himself up as the judge.

SIC EM 94 said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Canada2017 said:

---

GrowlTowel said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Paul Romans 2: For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Jesus says in Matthew 15 8 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles. 19 For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Sin what comes out of our heart. If the heart does not love God with all their heart, and their neighbor as themselves then one can be said to sin.

---

Man, people just see "Waco1947" and love to hate on you… you don't deserve it.

The topic of sin really does fascinate me, especially as you see the rules/commandments of the Bible change and grow throughout the different books. Did God simply change his mind about slavery being a sin over a 1-2000 year period, or did man's understanding of God change/grow? Interesting debate.

---

The dude has purposely pushed souls off the path to God all while masquerading as a minister. You'll find no greater evil than 47.

---

Waco47 has repeatedly boasted of counseling dozens of women into having abortions .

While purposely ignoring the emotional and psychological damage that such 'choices' bring to the women involved.

All while under the guise of a 'minister' .

---

Stop the *********lies about me. If others see the his lies please the flag above. P. 1

---

You are disgusting and proving that all the things being said about you are true. What kind of "minister" would ever say "God D**n"? I pray you are able to get some help…you clearly need it!

---

Be not silent, O God of my praise!
For wicked and deceitful mouths are opened against me,
speaking against me with lying tongues.
They beset me with words of hate,
and attack me without cause.
In return for my love they accuse me,
even as I make prayer for them.
So they reward me evil for good,
and hatred for my love. (Psalms 109:1-5 RSV)

JXL said:

---

Sin is that which is contrary to the will of God.

---

True

Waco1947 said:

---

BearN said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Mothra said:

---

BaylorJacket said:

---

Mothra said:

---

Now, does that mean I wish death on '47? Of course not, and I think you know it was intellectually dishonest and a purposeful mischaracterization on your part to describe my comments as such.

In the future, I would suggest not engaging in false characterizations of others comments. It's not Christ-like.

---

My apologies - I misread your previous post. I admittedly assumed you were using the text to allude to that.

---

Thank you.

I like to engage with '47, and try to maintain a modicum of respect. Engagement is the only way to change hearts and minds. I don't think he's a bad dude - certainly no worse than myself - just misguided in his beliefs.

---

You are not respectful to me and you did say I should die because I am a false teacher.

---

He was clearly paraphrasing scripture, and unlike your attempts, he was doing it correctly. JESUS said It would be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and jump in the sea than to lead the little ones astray. Which is what you do when you endorse abominations like homosexuality and abortion.

---

so he was paraphrasing. He compared me to a false teacher and set himself up as the judge.

---

Please. I said I believe you are a false teacher. That is my opinion, not God's.

And you've done nothing to change my mind on that. You believe and apparently teach a false version of the gospel.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

---

Waco1947 said:

---

Wangchung said:

---

So scripture isn't enough to determine why Christians have a problem with 47? We have to go by feelings when dealing with heretics?

---

How does one determine a heretic? You are not the judge. Then Who is? You slandering me.

---

I would suppose by comparing what a teacher of the Word says and compare it with actual scripture says.

It is true nobody besides God is the judge.

We all fall short in many ways. We can't dispute this either.

However God said By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. Psalm 33:6 John1:3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So God said it and it was. I believe this. This is certainly supernatural. Of course it's supernatural but is not scientific. The texts that you cite are about the faith we declare in the God of life not a scientific description. It was never the intent of the writers to use science. These are faith statements.

I know you have said God is not into the supernatural. Or doesn't operate in the supernatural. I disagree there.

You have also said our sexuality is a gift from God and that homosexual acts fall under this. The Bible is clear, that it is an unnatural use of the body. T

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.

This is your interpretation of the text. and is a severely limiting and inaccurate. The people in Rome that Paul describes were indeed using their bodies in unnatural ways but so were the heterosexually. Paul is casting a wide net over sexuality. God's intent for sexuality is in the context of marriage which is about respect, faithfulness, being there for one another, in short, to live out love as Paul's describes it in I Corinthians 13. If any relationship fails this standard with regards to anyone sexuality then they are indeed in sin. That is to mean, This is your interpretation of the text. The people in Rome that Paul describes were indeed using their bodies in unnatural ways but so were the heterosexually. Paul is casting a wide net over sexuality. God's intent for sexuality is in the context of marriage which is about respect, faithfulness, being there for one another, in short, to live out love as Paul's describes it in I Corinthians 13. If any relationship fails this standard with regards to anyone sexuality then they are indeed in sin. That is to mean, "This is your interpretation of the text. The people in Rome that Paul describes were indeed using their bodies in unnatural ways but so were the heterosexually. Paul is casting a wide net over sexuality. God's intent for sexuality is in the context of marriage which is about respect, faithfulness, being there for one another, in short, to live out love as Paul's describes it in I Corinthians 13. If any relationship fails this standard with regards to anyone sexuality then they are indeed in sin. That is to mean, as you say "to lust for one another" whether male or female after the opposite sex or the same sex is wrong. Paul is singling out homosexual behavior but he is also is singly out heterosexuals. Your interpretation is to limited. Paul is talking about prostitutes, pedophiles, rape, lust, abuse and that applies to both sexes. "


Also you have said, marriage is valid between 2 men or 2 women, same sex marriage. Jesus himself said.

Mark 10: 4 He said to them, "Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? 5 It says, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.' 6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together."

Again, you are missing the context of the text, Mark 10: 2 says, 2 Some, testing him, asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" The context is divorce and fidelity not a proscription for marriage. Jesus is simply within his historical framework responding to the question on divorce and the nature of marriage.

The Pharisees did not ask "Is marriage between a man and a woman only?"

Read the text in its entirety.




The one I really don't get is your adamant defense of "Choice". As it is called, or "reproductive rights", or "healthcare" as one pundit called it. What is actually is, is the ending of a pre-born life, a life that is totally defenseless.

I don't understand you defending the life taker, but not defending the one who loses their life, with no way to defend themselves.

I defend both. The woman is not a life taker until around 21 weeks but even then pregnancy can be difficult on her body. You have never been a woman so you determine what goes on between a woman and a doctor because it is none of your business. God protects the sanctity of a woman's body. And because does so you cannot force a woman to term. You are not a doctor or a woman. A child has a right to life and health care and childcare and an education and safe, decent affordable housing. So I fight for those rights. But your theological beliefs do not get to determine when life begins nor what's best for the woman because you are not her. You are not her.




I call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

Does this mention the word abortion, no not specifically, but I cannot imagine the God that knows us "in the womb" wants our life snuffed out "in the womb". I believe sincerely, life extends to the womb.

Again, your theological beliefs do not get to determine when life begins nor what's best for the woman because you are not her. You are not her.

There are other points of disagreement I have had, these are just a few.


I have so many faults and flaws I can't call someone a heretic, nor is it my job to do, God alone can judge that. Thank you for your honesty and confession.

But, if you call yourself a teacher, or pastor, or minister, you must watch what you say, "your doctrine" more closely to be agreement with what is written. That is a burden I don't want, but for those called pastor, looking at modern day Christianity, and I'm talking evangelicals, word of faith, mainline old school protestant, I believe way too many pastors and churches have lost their calling. That a large portion of the church has lost their way.
And they are into "pleasing man" instead of "pleasing God".

Not just you, but myself and everybody who calls themselves Christians need to constantly examine themselves. I know I fall way short, way to often. As do I.

---

I read you carefully and responded with best critical thinking. I ask the same of you. If you disagree then don't simply give me your assertions but the critical thinking and the facts behind your belief. I count on your thoughts.

Shouldn't we just jump to the end and settle on "anything Democrats oppose?"

Harrison Bergeron said:

---

Shouldn't we just jump to the end and settle on "anything Democrats oppose?"

---

Hmm.

The greatest fundraiser ever invented.