LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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Any person willing to reconsider their words is displaying wisdom. I respect that.

This board will convict me of my ignorance of the history of this quote. I am fine with that. I'd rather be convicted by my peers for ignorance than convicted by my God for a callous heart.

My life has been grossly impacted by the pain of suicide. We need to be cautious with our words, not causing anyone to stumble.

Peace to you.

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A joke which brings up suicide to highlight the absurdity of someone's argument is not what causes others to stumble. What causes a weaker brother to stumble is distorting God's word through interpretations that justify sin like abortion, the homosexual lifestyle, transgenderism, gay marriage, and the idea that you don't even need Jesus to be saved. A progressive "Christian" needs to worry about a lot more than being convicted by God for a callous heart if they are misleading others in this way.

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals or traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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Seriously, you are about the only one on here who is continually posting new thread after new thread insisting on your interpretation. Insisting? How I do I "insist?"

Nobody and I mean nobody I have ever met online or in person, tries to force their particular interpretation on others as forcefully than you do. "Force? Having a different interpretation is not "forcing" anyone. It is simply

Maybe a little self examination on the point above. My complaint about Evangelicals is their insistence on having the only interpretation. An Evangelical interpretation is simply one of many in Christendom.

It's not that evangelicals are trying to force their interpretation on anybody, it's that you don't agree with the way they divide the word of God and you are trying to force your interpretation on them. "What? There that forcing again.

And you drone on it over and over and over and over and over, almost like you are still trying to convince yourself. There are those who think differently than evangelicals. My thoughts are there for you to debate, discuss, stir you up, and maybe think critically about your doctrine. Your faith is not my concern. You know if you are a disciple or not but many here profess Jesus and still demean me. I would have to question their Christian behavior.

All that said, ignore the Judas joke someone tried to make a point with, we are all sinners, we all have a place at the table, if we will turn back to Him.

We are indeed welcomed at the table but there is no requirement of "turning back to Him." The table of bread and wine is a means to grace. At the table one discovers the God who cares for them and then they turn around. Read the parables of the banquets in the gospels. Jesus says, "The reign of God is like these who are welcome at the table - the least, the last, and the lost."
"Turning back to Him" is works righteousness. "Do this and you get to the table." No, We are welcomed period.

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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It is your position that only your personal interpretation of scripture has authority, but evangelicals and traditionalists insist on their interpretation? You made this up. It's not what I said at all. I apologize for the "insist" comment. It was mind reading.

Surely you recognize the irony in that position, don't you?

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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Any person willing to reconsider their words is displaying wisdom. I respect that.

This board will convict me of my ignorance of the history of this quote. I am fine with that. I'd rather be convicted by my peers for ignorance than convicted by my God for a callous heart.

My life has been grossly impacted by the pain of suicide. We need to be cautious with our words, not causing anyone to stumble.

Peace to you.

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I had 2 first cousins commit suicide, I hear where you are coming from. One who was over a decade older than me, came and visited our family out of nowhere, the summer than she hung herself. It was a good visit and she seemed happy. Looking back she was probably thinking about it already and wanting to rekindle old connections.

My next door neighbors son also commited suicide as a grown man, his wife had left him, his son was a drug dealer/user and he was obviously tortured. He walked out in the front yard one day and shot himself in the head. He was one of the kindest men I had ever met.

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OsoCoreyell said:

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So, the Bible has authority, Read the text of OP. The authority of the Bible is rooted in Jesus. He is the Word of God -- in life, works, and words. If Jesus says it then it is true. Jesus said, "I am the truth' and it is the truth of him in which I believe not your interpretation.

but what it is doing with that authority is totally up to your interpretation, subject to no boundaries or principles? The boundaries and principles (and values) are Jesus. I stated that clearly.

That's just claptrap. Read my comments and get back to me. What is it about Jesus being my authority and truth that bothers you?

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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Any person willing to reconsider their words is displaying wisdom. I respect that.

This board will convict me of my ignorance of the history of this quote. I am fine with that. I'd rather be convicted by my peers for ignorance than convicted by my God for a callous heart.

My life has been grossly impacted by the pain of suicide. We need to be cautious with our words, not causing anyone to stumble.

Peace to you.

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He walked out in the front yard one day and shot himself in the head. He was one of the kindest men I had ever met.

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Canada2017 said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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Any person willing to reconsider their words is displaying wisdom. I respect that.

This board will convict me of my ignorance of the history of this quote. I am fine with that. I'd rather be convicted by my peers for ignorance than convicted by my God for a callous heart.

My life has been grossly impacted by the pain of suicide. We need to be cautious with our words, not causing anyone to stumble.

Peace to you.

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He walked out in the front yard one day and shot himself in the head. He was one of the kindest men I had ever met.

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Vividly recall the grim assessment of an emergency room surgeon as he was attempting ( successfully ) to save the life of a suicide attempt.......


" It is usually the nice ones who kill themselves. "

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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bearhouse said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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I have it on good authority that after all the fluff is removed, it can be edited down to this:

Judas hung himself. Go forth and do likewise.

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Shame on you. This is unacceptable.

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Yes, shame on me. But it does illustrate the absurdity of 47's post

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Any person willing to reconsider their words is displaying wisdom. I respect that.

This board will convict me of my ignorance of the history of this quote. I am fine with that. I'd rather be convicted by my peers for ignorance than convicted by my God for a callous heart.

My life has been grossly impacted by the pain of suicide. We need to be cautious with our words, not causing anyone to stumble.

Peace to you.

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He walked out in the front yard one day and shot himself in the head. He was one of the kindest men I had ever met.

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Vividly recall the grim assessment of an emergency room surgeon as he was attempting ( successfully ) to save the life of a suicide attempt.......


" It is usually the nice ones who kill themselves. "

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I should have added that about my first cousin who visited us before she committed suicide. She was an extremely kind hearted person too.

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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There's a difference between the authority of the scripture and our interpretations.
We progressives believe in its authority (which is personified in Jesus in whom we live, love and have our being) not the interpretation of others.
You may have your interpretation but do not claim it as the one and only final interpretation.
Evangelicals ior traditionalist are too driven and insist on their interpretation.
Full disclosure
I got this idea from a pastor in Arkansas

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It is your position that only your personal interpretation of scripture has authority, but evangelicals and traditionalists insist on their interpretation? You made this up. It's not what I said at all. I apologize for the "insist" comment. It was mind reading.

Surely you recognize the irony in that position, don't you?

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You said that you believe in scripture's authority, but not the interpretation of others. That suggests, if not outright states, that the only interpretation you believe to have authority is your own.

I am not sure there's any other way to interpret that statement.

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