New #dataviz: Visualizing U.S. 🇺🇸 Aid to Ukraine 🇺🇦

Link: https://t.co/AgKcZP22RZ#DataVisualization #Ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar #USA pic.twitter.com/VaO5pJtK0w

— Will Geary (@wgeary) December 12, 2022

This is the most Polish thing to ever happen in the history of mankind. pic.twitter.com/tshm0SLBf5

— Old Tory Right - Viscount of the Bears -📉🐻🇬🇧 (@rightwingnutrs) December 15, 2022

The longest government shutdown in history occurred in 2018-2019 because Trump asked for $5 billion to build the wall.

The $45 billion Ukraine aid in the Omnibus will bring our total given to that country over $100 billion, enough to build 20+ walls on the southern border.

— Michael Seifert (@realmichaelseif) December 21, 2022

US, Germany, and France about to send light armor IFVs to Ukraine. The last tally I saw estimated we have 6500+ Bradleys in storage. Shaping up be a hot spring fighting season for Russian forces.

NEWS in WH readout of Biden's call w @Bundeskanzler: the U.S. "intends to supply Ukraine with Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, and Germany intends to provide Ukraine with Marder Infantry Fighting Vehicles."https://t.co/PoUgbIO3rR

— Eli Stokols (@EliStokols) January 5, 2023

Very hard to know what's real and what's propaganda in this space, but regardless I thought this article was a fascinating read.

https://t.co/w9vmfPOqm3

— The War Nerd (@TheWarNerd) January 11, 2023

In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

Now the Ukrainian Interior Minister and some of his staff have been killed in a helicopter crash .

Short of direct US intervention with ground troops and air cover a major Russian advance into central Ukraine is inevitable.

Merely tossing more money into Ukraine simply isn't going to work.

It's all in with the US military or beg for a negotiated peace .

Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

Russia's best outcome, at least in the short-to-medium term, is stalemate.

Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

Looks like Russia is getting ready for a 2nd round of mobilizations....


https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/18/putin-could-be-ready-to-announce-a-second-mobilization-drive-analysts-say.html

"Last Friday, Ukrainian Defense Ministry intelligence officials said that they believed that preparations for a second wave of mobilization were underway, suspecting Russia aims for an army of 2 million people."

Over winter, the war in Ukraine has resembled a conflict of attrition, particularly in eastern Ukraine where fighting has intensified around Bakhmut the next key Russian target after hostilities against nearby Soledar.
Daily losses from Ukrainian and Russian forces are difficult to ascertain independently.
Both sides are expected to renew counteroffensives in the spring, stoking expectations that Russia will call up further manpower."


https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/05/russia-military-mobilization-battlefield-ukraine-war/

Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

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Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

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Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

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Two different battles, one not even close to ending.

Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

---

Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

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Two different battles, one not even close to ending.

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And yet the Ukraine is still not even close to winning this war.

But the U.S. establishment is for some reason interesting in fighting to the last dead Ukrainian.

While wasting billions of taxpayer dollars while its own citizens increasing can't afford groceries.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-new-crimean-war/

[Washington war machine gearing up to manufacture consent to dangerously expand US involvement in Russia-Ukraine conflict:

The War Machine is now attempting to manufacture consent for expanded involvement of the United States in the Russia-Ukraine war. Here is Time magazine with an essay by a leading Ukrainian politician, declaring that, in the words of its headline, "The Liberation Of Crimea Is A Must". She concludes her case like this: "We will have to rebuild and make Crimea welcoming, diverse, and free land again." What, not an equitable and inclusive land too? You're slipping, madam.


Washington is reportedly more open to the idea of opening a Crimean front. From the NYT:

"After months of discussions with Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration is finally starting to concede that Kyiv may need the power to strike the Russian sanctuary, even if such a move increases the risk of escalation, according to several U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive debate. Crimea, between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, is home to tens of thousands of dug-in Russian troops and numerous Russian military bases.

White House officials insist there is no change in position. Crimea, they say, belongs to Ukraine....

Privately, military and administration officials had questioned the utility of Ukraine focusing attacks on Crimea, arguing Kyiv's military had better targets elsewhere on the battlefield.

But the Biden administration has come to believe that if the Ukrainian military can show Russia that its control of Crimea can be threatened, that would strengthen Kyiv's position...in addition, fears that the Kremlin would retaliate using a tactical nuclear weapon have dimmed, U.S. officials and experts said though they cautioned that the risk remained."

Good lord, these fools. The Russian Black Sea fleet is stationed in Sevastopol. Does Washington really believe that it's a good idea to expand the war to a heavily garrisoned territory that is absolutely vital to Russian national security? What insanity! ]

Harrison Bergeron said:

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A lot of Democratic Idiocracy is amazing ... but its sudden love of the Military-Industrial Complex and Big Pharma is one of the more fascinating.

What is the off-ramp for the conflict?

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Once liberals had been convinced they now own the military and the deep state security services (CIA, FBI, ect.) they stopped even giving the smallest protestations against foreign adventurism and forever war.




As far as a off-ramp? There is none right now.

The D.C. ruling class is basically telling Ukraine to stop at nothing but total victory and the liberation of Donbass & Crimea.

Russia is not going to let itself be pushed out of Donbass or Crimea.

This is a recipe for mass bloodshed and disaster.

https://www.newsweek.com/lessons-us-civil-war-show-why-ukraine-cant-win-opinion-1764992


Russian President Vladimir Putin waited only six months before switching from a special military operation to full scale war against Ukraine. Putin's initial assault was limited to barely 150,000 troops. He expected a quick victory followed by negotiations on his principal concerns: Russian control of Crimea, Ukrainian neutrality, and autonomy for the Russian population in the Donbas, but he was wrong. Putin had not counted on Ukraine's stiff resistance or the West's massive military and economic intervention. Faced with a new situation, Putin changed his strategy. Now he is about to unleash his own General Sherman and make Ukraine howl.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/29/realist-case-ukraine-peace-deal/


[War is on everyone's lips and laptop screens these days. Each day, we pore over the latest news from Ukraine, read opinions from real (or imagined) experts, and try to figure out who's winning on the ground and in the air. Not surprisingly, it's easy to find both optimistic and pessimistic forecasts.
All the attention on the fighting is understandable, but what matters in the end is how the conflict is resolved. It may be emotionally satisfying to proclaim that the only acceptable outcome is Russia's capitulation, regime change in Moscow, and Russian President Vladimir Putin's prosecution for war crimes, but none of those outcomes is likely. Making these goals our war aim is also a good way to prolong the fighting and raise the risk of escalation even higher.
If we care about Ukraine, our immediate goal should be to end the war before even more damage is done. ]

Harrison Bergeron said:

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A lot of Democratic Idiocracy is amazing ... but its sudden love of the Military-Industrial Complex and Big Pharma is one of the more fascinating.

What is the off-ramp for the conflict?

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Conversely, it's been "fascinating" to watch certain elements of the Trumpist right so consistently advocate Russia's narratives for them. Not surprising at all, you could even say it was expected and predicted, but fascinating.

The off ramp is for Russia to quit the field and cease hostile actions against other sovereign nations. Nobody is asking them to give up territory or disarm or do anything really, just stop invading.

Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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A lot of Democratic Idiocracy is amazing ... but its sudden love of the Military-Industrial Complex and Big Pharma is one of the more fascinating.

What is the off-ramp for the conflict?

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Conversely, it's been "fascinating" to watch certain elements of the Trumpist right so consistently advocate Russia's narratives for them. Not surprising at all, you could even say it was expected and predicted, but fascinating.

The off ramp is for Russia to quit the field and cease hostile actions against other sovereign nations. Nobody is asking them to give up territory or disarm or do anything really, just stop invading.

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What does that mean? What specific narrative and what specific person is promoting it? That's just usual gobbledygook. Russia always has been the Democrats soul ... remember when Obama told us it was not a threat and was caught on a hot mic agreeing to suspend missle defense in Poland and weapons to Ukraine until after his re-election?

So do you think Ukraine would surrender territory Russia won if it stopped moving forward today?

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HuMck means any questioning of the unaccountable US deep state and it's actions in Ukraine is on its face illegitimate.

And that any advocacy for negotiation and a peace agreement between both counties is "siding with Russia"

Say what you will about HuMck but he is a good leftist and never questions the narrative he is served.

Spending billions on weapons (which will never be accounted for) and continuing to root on a bloody European war is the only "progressive and compassionate" thing to do.

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I think the regressives fetishize this conflict as sort of a hangover from the Russia Hoax despite the fact that the Democrats have historic and current ties to Russia from Obama being his puppet to Hunter Bident's bags of cash.

HuMcK said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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A lot of Democratic Idiocracy is amazing ... but its sudden love of the Military-Industrial Complex and Big Pharma is one of the more fascinating.

What is the off-ramp for the conflict?

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Conversely, it's been "fascinating" to watch certain elements of the Trumpist right so consistently advocate Russia's narratives for them. Not surprising at all, you could even say it was expected and predicted, but fascinating.

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Oh stop it.

Few here have been more hawkish on the Ukraine war than me. In that, we have actually found a rare piece of common ground. Where we diverge is on how we perceive critics of admin policy on the war. They are not Russian stooges. They are not right wing nut jobs, or proto-fascists, etc...... They are merely articulating an entirely reasonable proposition - that the war might not be winnable, might not be as much in Ukrainian interests as many assume, carries a staircase of risks leading to potentially existential outcomes for the USA and/or her allies, etc.... Fancy that...war is an inherently risky proposition full of potential surprises.


It is possible, you know, to disagree with someone without questioning their character. At least, it is for the right. The left has gone full-bore bigot.

Doc Holliday said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

---

Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

---

Two different battles, one not even close to ending.

---

And yet the Ukraine is still not even close to winning this war.

But the U.S. establishment is for some reason interesting in fighting to the last dead Ukrainian.

While wasting billions of taxpayer dollars while its own citizens increasing can't afford groceries.

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DC gets financial kickbacks for pushing taxpayer money into the pockets of weapons manufacturers.

When I say this people think I'm talking formal conspiracy theory, but that's not it. You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities/fraternities, they're on the same board of directors, the same country clubs and they have liked interests. They don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it.

It's astonishing and sad that the vast majority of people, even smart people , won't call a spade a spade. They pull the wool over their own eyes because believing the truth is painful. Viewing humanity for what it truly is for the brave.

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The defense industry is probably the most successful government driven job creation program ever created. You know who isn't at the smoke filled room secret handshake meetings you guys build up in your mind? The thousands of manufacturing employees who work in the industry. A large percentage of whom are veterans. And that doesn't include the extended industry eco system it creates.

I understand the arguments against Ukraine escalation, and frankly we're getting close to my redlines of support for it. But somewhere between your secret cabal of elites managing world domination and everything is on the up and up is reality. Part of that reality is that not everything is nefarious or negative for America and the American people, in fact it's positive.

ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

---

Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

---

Two different battles, one not even close to ending.

---

And yet the Ukraine is still not even close to winning this war.

But the U.S. establishment is for some reason interesting in fighting to the last dead Ukrainian.

While wasting billions of taxpayer dollars while its own citizens increasing can't afford groceries.

---

DC gets financial kickbacks for pushing taxpayer money into the pockets of weapons manufacturers.

When I say this people think I'm talking formal conspiracy theory, but that's not it. You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities/fraternities, they're on the same board of directors, the same country clubs and they have liked interests. They don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it.

It's astonishing and sad that the vast majority of people, even smart people , won't call a spade a spade. They pull the wool over their own eyes because believing the truth is painful. Viewing humanity for what it truly is for the brave.

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The defense industry is probably the most successful government driven job creation program ever created. You know who isn't at the smoke filled room secret handshake meetings you guys build up in your mind? The thousands of manufacturing employees who work in the industry. A large percentage of whom are veterans. And that doesn't include the extended industry eco system it creates.

I understand the arguments against Ukraine escalation, and frankly we're getting close to my redlines of support for it. But somewhere between your secret cabal of elites managing world domination and everything is on the up and up is reality. Part of that reality is that not everything is nefarious or negative for America and the American people, in fact it's positive.

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I just stated it's not secret meetings…

The expenditure of tax dollars don't exceed employee profits/benefits to the tune of trillions.

It's not frugal whatsoever. It's downright abuse of tax dollars when the country is on the brink of economic collapse.

Why is the only answer more more more?!

Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

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Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

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Two different battles, one not even close to ending.

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And yet the Ukraine is still not even close to winning this war.

But the U.S. establishment is for some reason interesting in fighting to the last dead Ukrainian.

While wasting billions of taxpayer dollars while its own citizens increasing can't afford groceries.

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DC gets financial kickbacks for pushing taxpayer money into the pockets of weapons manufacturers.

When I say this people think I'm talking formal conspiracy theory, but that's not it. You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities/fraternities, they're on the same board of directors, the same country clubs and they have liked interests. They don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it.

It's astonishing and sad that the vast majority of people, even smart people , won't call a spade a spade. They pull the wool over their own eyes because believing the truth is painful. Viewing humanity for what it truly is for the brave.

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The defense industry is probably the most successful government driven job creation program ever created. You know who isn't at the smoke filled room secret handshake meetings you guys build up in your mind? The thousands of manufacturing employees who work in the industry. A large percentage of whom are veterans. And that doesn't include the extended industry eco system it creates.

I understand the arguments against Ukraine escalation, and frankly we're getting close to my redlines of support for it. But somewhere between your secret cabal of elites managing world domination and everything is on the up and up is reality. Part of that reality is that not everything is nefarious or negative for America and the American people, in fact it's positive.

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I just stated it's not secret meetings…

The expenditure of tax dollars don't exceed employee profits/benefits to the tune of trillions.

It's not frugal whatsoever. It's downright abuse of tax dollars when the country is on the brink of economic collapse.

Why is the only answer more more more?!

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First, the country isn't on the brink of economic collapse. This is an odd claim used by both the left and right. Second, healthcare is now the largest individual expense category in the defense budget. We certainly need to stop the "more, more, more", of all spending, especially and including the defense budget, but don't assume it is the "weapon and war mongering" that's crushing our tax revenues. War got us out of the Great Depression. It's the bloated inefficiencies of government bureaucracy that's at issue, and absolutely the DoD has its more than fair share of it.

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A lot of Democratic Idiocracy is amazing ... but its sudden love of the Military-Industrial Complex and Big Pharma is one of the more fascinating.

What is the off-ramp for the conflict?

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he-he, he-he you said off-ramp

Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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In case you haven't noticed……the war has turned against Ukraine over the last few weeks .

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It hasn't.

The Russian information space has yet to determine how to frame tactical advances in #Soledar as operationally significant as of January 17. https://t.co/ll0oKOlv7q https://t.co/NYg6wR4mDt

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) January 18, 2023

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But despite the propaganda... Ukraine actually lost the battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soledar

[Result:
Russian victory

• Russia captures Bakhmutske and the settlement of Soledar.]

In fact the D.C. ruling class is so worried about the war that it just sent old "white people are full of rage" Gen. Mark Milley to Ukraine to talk one on one with the top level Ukrainian military leaders.

Our vassal state seems to be faltering...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-ukraine-military-chiefs-meet-in-person-for-1st-time

[The top U.S. military officer, Army Gen. Mark Milley, traveled to a site near the Ukraine-Poland border on Tuesday and talked with his Ukrainian counterpart face to face for the first time a meeting underscoring the growing ties between the two militaries and coming at a critical time... as Ukraine nears the one-year mark.

Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met for a couple of hours with Ukraine's chief military officer, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, at an undisclosed location in southeastern Poland. The two leaders have talked frequently about Ukraine's military needs and the state of the war over the past year but had never met.

The meeting comes as the international community ramps up the military assistance to Ukraine, including expanded training of Ukrainian troops by the U.S. and the provision of a Patriot missile battery, tanks and increased air defense and other weapons systems by the U.S. and a coalition of European and other nations.]

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It's not propaganda when their analysis is accurate. No one has said it wasn't a loss. The propaganda is the claim of some big breakthrough or victory when it really wasn't.

---

Take a google look at all the corporate western media trying to claim that maybe its not a loss...or that if it is its not a big deal since its not strategic or important.

Then look back two months ago and read the corporate media about how its super major important strategic battle and Ukraine is gonna win it and then push Russia out of Donetsk Oblast.

You should just come out and say you like your Ukraine war news filtered through the NYC-London lens (controlled narrative).

---

Two different battles, one not even close to ending.

---

And yet the Ukraine is still not even close to winning this war.

But the U.S. establishment is for some reason interesting in fighting to the last dead Ukrainian.

While wasting billions of taxpayer dollars while its own citizens increasing can't afford groceries.

---

DC gets financial kickbacks for pushing taxpayer money into the pockets of weapons manufacturers.

When I say this people think I'm talking formal conspiracy theory, but that's not it. You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities/fraternities, they're on the same board of directors, the same country clubs and they have liked interests. They don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it.

It's astonishing and sad that the vast majority of people, even smart people , won't call a spade a spade. They pull the wool over their own eyes because believing the truth is painful. Viewing humanity for what it truly is for the brave.

---

The defense industry is probably the most successful government driven job creation program ever created. You know who isn't at the smoke filled room secret handshake meetings you guys build up in your mind? The thousands of manufacturing employees who work in the industry. A large percentage of whom are veterans. And that doesn't include the extended industry eco system it creates.

I understand the arguments against Ukraine escalation, and frankly we're getting close to my redlines of support for it. But somewhere between your secret cabal of elites managing world domination and everything is on the up and up is reality. Part of that reality is that not everything is nefarious or negative for America and the American people, in fact it's positive.

---

I just stated it's not secret meetings…

The expenditure of tax dollars don't exceed employee profits/benefits to the tune of trillions.

It's not frugal whatsoever. It's downright abuse of tax dollars when the country is on the brink of economic collapse.

Why is the only answer more more more?!

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First, the country isn't on the brink of economic collapse. This is an odd claim used by both the left and right. Second, healthcare is now the largest individual expense category in the defense budget. We certainly need to stop the "more, more, more", of all spending, especially and including the defense budget, but don't assume it is the "weapon and war mongering" that's crushing our tax revenues. War got us out of the Great Depression. It's the bloated inefficiencies of government bureaucracy that's at issue, and absolutely the DoD has its more than fair share of it.

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$33T in debt and that number expanding rapidly is not ok.

The bloated inefficiencies of bureaucracy are there because it drives profit to special interests. I'm not saying it's just military spending either, social security and Medicare are the largest contributors.

This is what it looks like:


Without this mechanism, the Ukraine war doesn't exist. The war on terror didn't happen. Hundreds of Thousands of innocent lives are saved.

Is your stance that nobody is financially gaming the system? Are you really buying that the US government is honest and noble?

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Not at all. I said somewhere between your integrated conspiracy and everything is on the up and up sits reality. I do know the one clear constitutionally granted function of the executive branch and the federal government was defense of the country and to raise militaries. We've turned our military into a career path and a series of auto renew budgetary line items. That's where the tax dollars get sucked out, not so much from the geopolitical dynamics of military policy. The latter is the political aspect of national defense.