whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

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Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Were bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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To address both your one and two... yes in some cases the nightclubs stayed open even during the fighting.

The eastern front was also different in that many of the cities then did not have the large "luxury" lifestyle that Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Rome, etc. did.

The Eastern front was also different in how it was treated by the invaders (Soviets or Germans). Both killed large numbers of Poles when they both invaded in 1939 and continued to do so the rest of the war as they fought over the land.

There were no Ghettos set up in the west like there were in eastern European cities.

There were nightclubs or bars that stayed open in London during the blitz. Not a true total war situation but even theaters stayed open in many cities when they were getting bombed.

Antwerp was hit by V2 rockets on a regular basis in late 1944- one even hit a theater with over 500 people killed inside but the front was miles and miles away. Not really in the middle of the fighting but still in danger and everything was open.

The only city I can think of that had night life type activity while fighting was taking place on the ground would be Berlin right at the end when people were getting drunk, not in nightclubs because there were none left standing, but just wherever they were in an attempt to escape their situation.

I haven't looked at a map of current fighting in Ukraine but wouldn't Kiev be well behind the front lines/areas of fighting? Sort of comparable to Paris to where the front lines were in December of 1944?

But yes very bad optics.

But they still clubbing it up in Kyiv baby!

Ukraine has gone from very bad demographic situation (worse than Russia) to like the worst in the world (like 3x South Korea) in 18 months. They’re fighting a WWI war with hyper modern fertility. pic.twitter.com/isXTAQmFu3

— Deep South SR (@AJiazhang) May 5, 2023

Another compounding factor is ease of migration. In 1945 your land was your land. Now it’s just too easy for the upper middle class/younger to abandon and go to Western Europe.

— Deep South SR (@AJiazhang) May 5, 2023

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

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Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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I was just looking up the distance.

Kyiv is MUCH, Much further from the front than Paris was for most of 1944. It is about 200 miles from Paris to Bastogne.

100 miles separate Bastogne and Antwerp.

Kyiv is more like London right now than either of those two. It is in range of missile or fighters/bombers but not artillery or immediate risk of ground troops.

cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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Not sure I could go party when my country is under direct attack by a bordering country.

If Mexico was a major superpower and bullying Texas like Russia is to Ukraine and all your friends are dying...how would you even be in the right mind to feel like partying?!

Doc Holliday said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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Not sure I could go party when my country is under direct attack by a bordering country.

If Mexico was a major superpower and bullying Texas like Russia is to Ukraine and all your friends are dying...how would you even be in the right mind to feel like partying?!

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The Oligarchs and Kleptocrats in Kyiv don't give a sh*t about the poor men dying in the east and they never have.

They are getting rich off USA and EU taxpayers money and spending it on shopping trips to Milan, real estate purchases in London, Paris, and Tel Aviv....and on going out clubbing in Kyiv.


The only people who care less for Ukrainian lives are the oligarchs and kleptocrats in Moscow.

God what a disaster this all is....

Doc Holliday said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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Not sure I could go party when my country is under direct attack by a bordering country.

If Mexico was a major superpower and bullying Texas like Russia is to Ukraine and all your friends are dying...how would you even be in the right mind to feel like partying?!

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Their border has been under attack, siege or occupied forever! After a while, the emergency situations can only be maintained for a short period. Even during WW2 Britain tried to maintain some semblance of normalcy, a lesson they learned from WW1. You can't send everyone and you can't live under a bed long term. Taking advantage of times for normal behavior is required.

I guess the Russian tanks left? So, there is no need to fight? Oh, no they are still in the south and the east, Putin is still Putin.

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

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Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

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no, I just told you why the government in Kyiv will work very hard to keep the club scene open...to maintain morale.

Doc Holliday said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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Not sure I could go party when my country is under direct attack by a bordering country.

If Mexico was a major superpower and bullying Texas like Russia is to Ukraine and all your friends are dying...how would you even be in the right mind to feel like partying?!

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Dude. Come back to reality. If you're a soldier not in a foxhole, you're going to be pretty interested in having a beer and a dance with a friendly chick.

Correction. Even if you're in a foxhole, you're going to be pretty interested in having a beer and a dance with a friendly chick. There just won't be any in the neighborhood. So when you do get where beer and chicks are in close proximity, dancing tends to break out at the first bar of music.

whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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Not sure I could go party when my country is under direct attack by a bordering country.

If Mexico was a major superpower and bullying Texas like Russia is to Ukraine and all your friends are dying...how would you even be in the right mind to feel like partying?!

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Dude. Come back to reality. If you're a soldier not in a foxhole, you're going to be pretty interested in having a beer and a dance with a friendly chick.

Correction. Even if you're in a foxhole, you're going to be pretty interested in having a beer and a dance with a friendly chick. There just won't be any in the neighborhood. So when you do get where beer and chicks are in close proximity, dancing tends to break out at the first bar of music.

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I saw more Africans in that clip than Ukrainian men....

Lets be honest this is not soldiers parting in that video....its cosmopolitans and regime lackeys going out and having a good time out on the down in Kyiv....while the real Ukrainian soldiers freeze their balls off in the trenches.

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

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Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

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no, I just told you why the government in Kyiv will work very hard to keep the club scene open...to maintain morale.

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Ok, Maintaining the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers that will never get a chance to go to the clubs....got it.

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

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Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

---

Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

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no, I just told you why the government in Kyiv will work very hard to keep the club scene open...to maintain morale.

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Ok, Maintaining the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers that will never get a chance to go to the clubs....got it.

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Sure they will. You rotate troops. Troops get leave. It is what you live for when deployed. They will want the clubs and women out dressed just like that! That is what soldiers want, not some sollen, depressed area with no life!

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

---

Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

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no, I just told you why the government in Kyiv will work very hard to keep the club scene open...to maintain morale.

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Ok, Maintaining the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers that will never get a chance to go to the clubs....got it.

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See RMF's post. You are really stretching here.

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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1. The UK was not invaded during WW2 so of course bars and clubs stayed open there. And I am sure they also did in places like Paris when under occupation by the German army...no active fighting there between June 1940 - June of 1944

2. But I am not aware of clubs and bars staying open when the country was in an active war situation. Where bars and clubs open on the Eastern front in Poland or Belarus as Nazi and Soviet armies wage war across the landscape killed people in the millions?

We have been sold that this war is an existential crisis for Ukraine (and the whole of the Western World)...Ukraine will not even let its military age men escape the country...its throwing all of them into the army. And yet then we find out that the club scene in Kyiv is still popping off?

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men are dying in Donbas and then we find out the women are back in Kyiv parting?

Bad optics at the very least.

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They didn't quit having proms in high school or dances in colleges during WWII. You strive to retain such normalcy as one can, particularly the last pieces of youth before it marches off to be scarred or worse by war.

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Where....the USA home front? In Britain? Occupied Norway? Sure of course

You are telling me they were having proms and school dances in Belarus and Ukraine in 1943 in the middle of the war on the Eastern Front? B.S.

Again, the Western corporate-government-media complex keeps telling us this is a existential war. The most serious "threat to the Western World since WWII"...a conflict our leaders are spending billions on and risking a nuclear war breaking out over...and yet then we find out that outside of Donbas the women of Ukraine are hitting the clubs?

Bad bad optics

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

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no, I just told you why the government in Kyiv will work very hard to keep the club scene open...to maintain morale.

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Ok, Maintaining the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers that will never get a chance to go to the clubs....got it.

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See RMF's post. You are really stretching here.

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Are there still guys in the Country?? When I was in noting motivated more than a pretty girl. There really must be too much plastic in the water...

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Quite a bit of hyperbole there

No, you don't have a dance down in the trenches, or even within range of artillery. But yes, you do try to carve out some normalcy where you can. Even on a military base, during WWII, one could find a dance from time to time. Kyiv is 430mi from Bakhmut. As has been the case in every war where the fighting was that far from the capital, one could find a drink in a bar served by a alluringly clad women you could ask do dance to the live music being played.

one could make a case that such things are even more treasured during war, given that those most likely to engage in the former are also the ones most likely to die in the latter.

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You can make excuses all you want...or you could just acknowledge that while we are being fed this line about "existential crisis for Ukraine and the World"..."greatest threat to democracy since WWII"....the kleptocrats in Kyiv would not even shut down the club scene.

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no, I just told you why the government in Kyiv will work very hard to keep the club scene open...to maintain morale.

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Ok, Maintaining the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers that will never get a chance to go to the clubs....got it.

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See RMF's post. You are really stretching here.

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Are there still guys in the Country?? When I was in noting motivated more than a pretty girl. There really must be too much plastic in the water...

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soldiers & pin-up girl pictures have a historically symbiotic relationship

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Yup, gotta remember what you are fighting for...

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Remember all the partying in Europe during WW2? Yeah me neither.

Meanwhile in Kiev nightclubs… Please donate more money! pic.twitter.com/5USUprPw5O

— RadioGenova (@RadioGenova) May 3, 2023

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Then you should read some more about cities in WW2.

Plenty of them still had their nightclubs, bars, etc. open at times throughout the war. They would close at times, like in London during the Blitz or Paris as the Allies advanced but then would reopen again.

Paris had all their theaters, music halls, and nightclubs open during most of the German occupation.

Now granted a nightclub scene from WW2 would look a lot different than one from today....

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Not sure I could go party when my country is under direct attack by a bordering country.

If Mexico was a major superpower and bullying Texas like Russia is to Ukraine and all your friends are dying...how would you even be in the right mind to feel like partying?!

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I completely understand it.

Live for tonight because we could all be dead tomorrow.

Ukrainian account, so comes with an asterisk but there are a number of news stories about a number of explosions in Crimea the past month. Apparently, Ukraine has fired up insurgent operations there, possibly to interfere with Russian defense effort during the anticipated Ukrainian spring offensive.

In the long, Russia won’t be able to defend Crimea. This is an example why.

Today, there were explosions in the North of Crimea. People started leaving. Russia was forced to block the Kerch bridge.

But there is a broader implication. What is it? 1/

pic.twitter.com/ZjShXTBKeW

— Tymofiy Mylovanov (@Mylovanov) May 6, 2023

Interesting….

Hard-nosed unsentimental power politics has a lot to be said for it, at least when it comes to not throwing good money after bad. The diplomacy of ‘Our Values’ leads to the Cuban embargo being in place 60 years after it was clear the reds weren’t going anywhere.

With places https://t.co/q9OVS2PzRU

— ReStation (@St1Station) May 7, 2023

“Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition of China, Russia, & perhaps Iran, an ‘antihegemonic’ coalition united not by ideology but by complementary grievances.”

-Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard, 1997

Congrats, Zbig!https://t.co/uiPL0S5MnG pic.twitter.com/C84Vb6ZGBw

— Nina 🐙 Byzantina (@NinaByzantina) May 7, 2023

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If the goal is to unite our enemies, discredit NATO, and hasten the demise of the petrodollar, we're doing a great job. Hats off to the geopolitical geniuses in charge.

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Three pretty weak sisters who would have to unite the entire third world against the West to make it to half of world GDP. Will. Not. Happen.

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If the goal is to unite our enemies, discredit NATO, and hasten the demise of the petrodollar, we're doing a great job. Hats off to the geopolitical geniuses in charge.

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Three pretty weak sisters who would have to unite the entire third world against the West to make it to half of world GDP. Will. Not. Happen.

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Agreed, its not going to happen.

US hegemony will eventually lead to a centralized single government with extreme authority over the entire west. It's not going to be pretty.

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If the goal is to unite our enemies, discredit NATO, and hasten the demise of the petrodollar, we're doing a great job. Hats off to the geopolitical geniuses in charge.

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Three pretty weak sisters who would have to unite the entire third world against the West to make it to half of world GDP. Will. Not. Happen.

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Agreed, its not going to happen.

US hegemony will eventually lead to a centralized single government with extreme authority over the entire west. It's not going to be pretty.

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It's already happening in smaller ways right now.

Many Europeans are dumbstruck by all the race commissions, historic statue committees, street name replacements, and government panels looking to links to slavery taking place in Europe right now.

All this after a Black man is murdered in the American state of Minnesota in 2020

I mean if you are a average Belgian or Dane you have to be very confused as to why you are being put through a cultural revolution that was started by college educated progressives in America.

What the American ruling class becomes obsessed with…is now instantly transmitted to its vassal states in the rest of the Western bloc

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Indeed.

The left was promised cultural revolution if they ceded power to corporate/bureaucratic/banking hegemony, who are now doing their bidding.

Some dems/lefties were onboard with occupy wallstreet after the 2008 recession because of bailouts and shenanigans. Now they've done a 180 and defend it.

Ukraine's 'unicorn' LGBTQ soldiers head for war https://t.co/Sa1aenumdv pic.twitter.com/ODyuDBbzXt

— Reuters (@Reuters) May 31, 2022

Kissinger predicts peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, with the mediation of China, could begin by the end of the year. Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told CBS News that the conflict in Ukraine may be approaching a turning point and that peace talks, mediated by China,… pic.twitter.com/NzrRKIyduQ

— Spriter (@Spriter99880) May 8, 2023

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Three pretty weak sisters who would have to unite the entire third world against the West to make it to half of world GDP. Will. Not. Happen.

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Agreed, its not going to happen.

US hegemony will eventually lead to a centralized single government with extreme authority over the entire west. It's not going to be pretty.

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How is letting Russia have Ukraine going to stop that from happening?

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Three pretty weak sisters who would have to unite the entire third world against the West to make it to half of world GDP. Will. Not. Happen.

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Agreed, its not going to happen.

US hegemony will eventually lead to a centralized single government with extreme authority over the entire west. It's not going to be pretty.

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How is letting Russia have Ukraine going to stop that from happening?

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My response wasn't about the Ukraine proxy war. It was about economics/power.

By popular request:

List Of Tanks That Took Part In #Russia’s 2023 Victory Parade 🇷🇺

- 1 T-34/85 pic.twitter.com/958Ip5fYIP

— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) May 9, 2023

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Kissinger predicts peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, with the mediation of China, could begin by the end of the year. Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told CBS News that the conflict in Ukraine may be approaching a turning point and that peace talks, mediated by China,… pic.twitter.com/NzrRKIyduQ

— Spriter (@Spriter99880) May 8, 2023

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This cannot happen that way. If it looks like that is where Ukraine is moving, Zelinsky owes it to the US to ensure it is a joint US/China Peace Negotiation. This would fit as part of Xi's 100 year plan and explain the embrace of Russia. To give China a diplomatic reasonable role, while Biden looks like a mad dog if he doesn't work a way in to the process.

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Kissinger predicts peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, with the mediation of China, could begin by the end of the year. Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told CBS News that the conflict in Ukraine may be approaching a turning point and that peace talks, mediated by China,… pic.twitter.com/NzrRKIyduQ

— Spriter (@Spriter99880) May 8, 2023

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This cannot happen that way. If it looks like that is where Ukraine is moving, Zelinsky owes it to the US to ensure it is a joint US/China Peace Negotiation. This would fit as part of Xi's 100 year plan and explain the embrace of Russia. To give China a diplomatic reasonable role, while Biden looks like a mad dog if he doesn't work a way in to the process.

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That's what happens when we insist on prolonging the war. China gets to be the adult in the room. Lots of us saw it coming a mile away.

.@RobertKennedyJr explains that the U.S. military-industrial complex's goal is to prolong the War in Urakine, maximizing the loss of lives while continuing to expand NATO and advocating for regime change in Russia:

"This is no longer a humanitarian mission, and all the decisions… pic.twitter.com/QKZrnHG3Th

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) May 9, 2023

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Kissinger predicts peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, with the mediation of China, could begin by the end of the year. Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told CBS News that the conflict in Ukraine may be approaching a turning point and that peace talks, mediated by China,… pic.twitter.com/NzrRKIyduQ

— Spriter (@Spriter99880) May 8, 2023

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This cannot happen that way. If it looks like that is where Ukraine is moving, Zelinsky owes it to the US to ensure it is a joint US/China Peace Negotiation. This would fit as part of Xi's 100 year plan and explain the embrace of Russia. To give China a diplomatic reasonable role, while Biden looks like a mad dog if he doesn't work a way in to the process.

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That's what happens when we insist on prolonging the war. China gets to be the adult in the room. Lots of us saw it coming a mile away.

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No. It is when the Admin doesn't communicate well. Zelinsky needs to coordinate with the White House if the time comes Ukraine to wants peace. US has supported him, he needs to remember that. Biden needs to not let Xi call the shots, we do.

Your response is ridiculous, surrender early and against Ukraine's wishes? That would have shown them! If you were in charge, we would be back to 1980 borders, so as not to upset Putin. Just give him what he wants or worse just ignore his invasions. Its for the best...

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Kissinger predicts peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, with the mediation of China, could begin by the end of the year. Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told CBS News that the conflict in Ukraine may be approaching a turning point and that peace talks, mediated by China,… pic.twitter.com/NzrRKIyduQ

— Spriter (@Spriter99880) May 8, 2023

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This cannot happen that way. If it looks like that is where Ukraine is moving, Zelinsky owes it to the US to ensure it is a joint US/China Peace Negotiation. This would fit as part of Xi's 100 year plan and explain the embrace of Russia. To give China a diplomatic reasonable role, while Biden looks like a mad dog if he doesn't work a way in to the process.

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That's what happens when we insist on prolonging the war. China gets to be the adult in the room. Lots of us saw it coming a mile away.

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The Chinese are as responsible for the prolonging of this war and its escalation and damage as anyone.