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ron.reagan
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STxBear81 said:

why dont we get rid of him instead? that ruthless killer cant even take care of ukraine

is this Biden or Soros plan? to bankrupt our country over period of time by funding Ukraine? let prices go up while supplies go down so lower and middle class US citizens cant afford to live
Do you have a spreadsheet of aid that we give to countries? Why are you focused on Ukraine? Because you are manipulated and can't think for yourself.

I wish I could trade your ass in for the some of the patriots in Ukraine giving their life to defend their country.
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[The Oakland Institute (a progressive think tank from the USA), has recently published a report on how financial interests are gobbling up Ukraine's agricultural sector, specifically its land set aside for farming. Almost all countries require foreign direct investment, so I think it would not be fair to condemn Ukraine for selling some of its prized assets during a time of war (it's an existential conflict for them). The importance of this report is what it says about western financial and corporate interests, capitalism, and war. Naomi Klein coined the concept of destroying countries only to profit from its rebuilding "Disaster Capitalism".
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The total amount of land controlled by oligarchs, corrupt individuals, and large agribusinesses is over nine million hectares exceeding 28 percent of Ukraine's arable land. The largest landholders are a mix of Ukrainian oligarchs and foreign interests mostly European and North American as well as the sovereign fund of Saudi Arabia. Prominent US pension funds, foundations, and university endowments are invested through NCH Capital, a US-based private equity fund.
Several agribusinesses, still largely controlled by oligarchs, have opened up to Western banks and investment funds including prominent ones such as Kopernik, BNP, or Vanguard who now control part of their shares. Most of the large landholders are substantially indebted to Western funds and institutions, notably the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) and the World Bank.
Western financing to Ukraine in recent years has been tied to a drastic structural adjustment program that has required austerity and privatization measures, including the creation of a land market for the sale of agricultural land. President Zelenskyy put the land reform into law in 2020 against the will of the vast majority of the population who feared it would exacerbate corruption and reinforce control by powerful interests in the agricultural sector. Findings of the report concur with these concerns. While large landholders are securing massive financing from Western financial institutions, Ukrainian farmers essential for ensuring domestic food supply receive virtually no support. With the land market in place, amidst high economic stress and war, this difference of treatment will lead to more land consolidation by large agribusinesses.
The report also sounds the alarm that Ukraine's crippling debt is being used as a leverage by the financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization reforms in several sectors, including agriculture.
In short: western financial interests are either gobbling up agricultural land themselves, or are entering into partnerships with local oligarchs who are consolidating the sector at the expense of the small farmer who receives no support in comparison to them. This is an annexation, in a way.
The history (taken from the .pdf file here):
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With 33 million hectares of arable land, Ukraine has large swaths of the most fertile farmland in the world. Misguided privatization and corrupt governance since the early 1990s have concentrated land in the hands of a new oligarchic class. Around 4.3 million hectares are under large-scale agriculture, with the bulk, three million hectares, in the hands of just a dozen large agribusiness firms. In addition, according to the government, about five million hectares the size of two Crimea have been "stolen" by private interests from the state of Ukraine. The total amount of land controlled by oligarchs, corrupt individuals, and large agribusinesses is thus over nine million hectares, exceeding 28 percent of the country's arable land. The rest is used by over eight million Ukrainian farmers.
Preparing the pie:
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The report details how Western aid has been conditioned to a drastic structural adjustment program, which includes austerity measures, cuts in social safety nets, and the privatization of key sectors of the economy. A central condition has been the creation of a land market, put into law in 2020 under President Zelenskyy, despite opposition from a majority of Ukrainians fearing that it will exacerbate corruption in the agricultural sector and reinforce its control by powerful interests.
The findings of the report validate this concern, showing that the creation of a land market will likely further increase the amount of agricultural land in the hands of oligarchs and large agribusiness firms. The latter have already started expanding their access to land.
Austerity, via cuts to the social safety net, combined with loans to key players, and with a law on the books to facilitate the gobbling up of agricultural land, make for a perfect storm....

US-based private equity fund NCH Capital is a big player in buying up or leasing agricultural land in Ukraine in order to aggregate it:
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US-based private equity firm NCH Capital was founded in 1993 by George Rohr and Moris Tabacinic, two US businessmen heavily involved in the privatization frenzy that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union. As analyzed in a report by GRAIN, they have established a series of funds to lease or buy farms in the region at a low price, with the aim to aggregate them into large-scale grain and soybean farms successfully amassing a land bank of 700,000 hectares in Ukraine and Russia. After securing investments from prominent Western financial institutions, it channeled these funds through offshore companies located in tax havens like Cyprus and the Cayman Islands and into joint ventures with local firms to take over the land. The firm faces accusations of unlawful land acquisition, tax evasion, and illicit financial activity. NCH Capital played a key role in pushing for land reform in Ukraine: In 2015, its founder and CEO George Rohr was part of the high-level meetings involving the Ukrainian President and the US Secretary of Commerce that led Ukraine to agree on an IMF reform plan, as a condition for two US$1 billion loan guarantees from the US government.
Ukraine is fighting an existential conflict with Russia while simultaneously conducting a fire sale of its best assets to western financial interests. The bet placed here by Kiev was that this approach would lead to a better outcome for Ukrainian elites (at least those who have sided with the West and against Moscow) than a continuation of being at the centre of a tug of war between East and West.]

https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Redbrickbear said:

[The Oakland Institute (a progressive think tank from the USA), has recently published a report on how financial interests are gobbling up Ukraine's agricultural sector, specifically its land set aside for farming. Almost all countries require foreign direct investment, so I think it would not be fair to condemn Ukraine for selling some of its prized assets during a time of war (it's an existential conflict for them). The importance of this report is what it says about western financial and corporate interests, capitalism, and war. Naomi Klein coined the concept of destroying countries only to profit from its rebuilding "Disaster Capitalism".
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The total amount of land controlled by oligarchs, corrupt individuals, and large agribusinesses is over nine million hectares exceeding 28 percent of Ukraine's arable land. The largest landholders are a mix of Ukrainian oligarchs and foreign interests mostly European and North American as well as the sovereign fund of Saudi Arabia. Prominent US pension funds, foundations, and university endowments are invested through NCH Capital, a US-based private equity fund.
Several agribusinesses, still largely controlled by oligarchs, have opened up to Western banks and investment funds including prominent ones such as Kopernik, BNP, or Vanguard who now control part of their shares. Most of the large landholders are substantially indebted to Western funds and institutions, notably the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) and the World Bank.
Western financing to Ukraine in recent years has been tied to a drastic structural adjustment program that has required austerity and privatization measures, including the creation of a land market for the sale of agricultural land. President Zelenskyy put the land reform into law in 2020 against the will of the vast majority of the population who feared it would exacerbate corruption and reinforce control by powerful interests in the agricultural sector. Findings of the report concur with these concerns. While large landholders are securing massive financing from Western financial institutions, Ukrainian farmers essential for ensuring domestic food supply receive virtually no support. With the land market in place, amidst high economic stress and war, this difference of treatment will lead to more land consolidation by large agribusinesses.
The report also sounds the alarm that Ukraine's crippling debt is being used as a leverage by the financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization reforms in several sectors, including agriculture.
In short: western financial interests are either gobbling up agricultural land themselves, or are entering into partnerships with local oligarchs who are consolidating the sector at the expense of the small farmer who receives no support in comparison to them. This is an annexation, in a way.
The history (taken from the .pdf file here):
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With 33 million hectares of arable land, Ukraine has large swaths of the most fertile farmland in the world. Misguided privatization and corrupt governance since the early 1990s have concentrated land in the hands of a new oligarchic class. Around 4.3 million hectares are under large-scale agriculture, with the bulk, three million hectares, in the hands of just a dozen large agribusiness firms. In addition, according to the government, about five million hectares the size of two Crimea have been "stolen" by private interests from the state of Ukraine. The total amount of land controlled by oligarchs, corrupt individuals, and large agribusinesses is thus over nine million hectares, exceeding 28 percent of the country's arable land. The rest is used by over eight million Ukrainian farmers.
Preparing the pie:
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The report details how Western aid has been conditioned to a drastic structural adjustment program, which includes austerity measures, cuts in social safety nets, and the privatization of key sectors of the economy. A central condition has been the creation of a land market, put into law in 2020 under President Zelenskyy, despite opposition from a majority of Ukrainians fearing that it will exacerbate corruption in the agricultural sector and reinforce its control by powerful interests.
The findings of the report validate this concern, showing that the creation of a land market will likely further increase the amount of agricultural land in the hands of oligarchs and large agribusiness firms. The latter have already started expanding their access to land.
Austerity, via cuts to the social safety net, combined with loans to key players, and with a law on the books to facilitate the gobbling up of agricultural land, make for a perfect storm....

US-based private equity fund NCH Capital is a big player in buying up or leasing agricultural land in Ukraine in order to aggregate it:
Quote:

US-based private equity firm NCH Capital was founded in 1993 by George Rohr and Moris Tabacinic, two US businessmen heavily involved in the privatization frenzy that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union. As analyzed in a report by GRAIN, they have established a series of funds to lease or buy farms in the region at a low price, with the aim to aggregate them into large-scale grain and soybean farms successfully amassing a land bank of 700,000 hectares in Ukraine and Russia. After securing investments from prominent Western financial institutions, it channeled these funds through offshore companies located in tax havens like Cyprus and the Cayman Islands and into joint ventures with local firms to take over the land. The firm faces accusations of unlawful land acquisition, tax evasion, and illicit financial activity. NCH Capital played a key role in pushing for land reform in Ukraine: In 2015, its founder and CEO George Rohr was part of the high-level meetings involving the Ukrainian President and the US Secretary of Commerce that led Ukraine to agree on an IMF reform plan, as a condition for two US$1 billion loan guarantees from the US government.
Ukraine is fighting an existential conflict with Russia while simultaneously conducting a fire sale of its best assets to western financial interests. The bet placed here by Kiev was that this approach would lead to a better outcome for Ukrainian elites (at least those who have sided with the West and against Moscow) than a continuation of being at the centre of a tug of war between East and West.]

https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
"China is gobbling up western land while entering in partnerships with US oligarchs. This is annexation in a way." same logic. I'm not saying it isn't happening just that this is how the world works and I certainly wouldn't call it annexation.
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Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first
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Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first
Both sides seem to be lowering their expectations.
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Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.
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trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
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trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.
Russians won't be easy to surround when they're already surrounded...by more Russians. Nor will they make the mistake of lingering if it does come to that. The comparisons with Cannae and Stalingrad are off the mark.
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Good analysis. He covers much of what I've already laid out. The one addition he makes is the suggestion that Severodonetsk would be a logical option for Ukraine to take back, essentially for mostly political reasons. Recapturing most/all of that province would also threaten Rostov-on-Don, forcing Russia to redeploy to cover, further weakening the Russian line somewhere.

If events do not flow as his analysis concludes, I would expect the action to occur on the Kherson front. Seems though Russia may not have conducted defense-in-depth fortifications as robustly as elsewhere due to the formidable barrier posed by the Dnieper. IF Ukraine can cross the Dnieper in force, they will have an easier time reaching the Crimean approaches than would be the case on an assault from the center of the lines toward the Sea of Azov. Classic high-risk, high-reward proposition....

And, to nit-pick, he soft-sells the attractiveness of simply encircling the Russian Army at Bakhmut. Has all the political value of the Severedonetsk scenario, with much shorter lines of commo and avoids risk of leaving arty coverage.
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KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.

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ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
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Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.
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ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.

That would be news to the people in Moscow

*A cross border raid does not mean they have lost control of the country.
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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/russian-propagandist-solovyov-secret-family-202900456.html

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The authors of the investigation also found that in 2017 Solovyov flew to the United States quite often. Abrosimova went there at the end of 2016 and gave birth to two daughters Margarita and Maria, who received U.S. citizenship. The basketball player, who supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine and participates in pro-Kremlin propaganda events, also holds U.S. citizenship.
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Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.

That would be news to the people in Moscow

*A cross border raid does not mean they have lost control of the country.


Mobilization of 300k troops, max effort assault in a winter offensive….and this is the result:

(check out the map showing Russian gains over the last 5 months)
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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.

That would be news to the people in Moscow

*A cross border raid does not mean they have lost control of the country.


Mobilization of 300k troops, max effort assault in a winter offensive….and this is the result:

(check out the map showing Russian gains over the last 5 months)


The incompetence and inefficiency of the Russia military is fast becoming legendary.

ron.reagan said they don't even control Russia right now...but of course that is a joke and they do.

And that Russia has already lost the war....also not true.

Russia can certainly lose the war...Ukraine might be able to drive them totally out of the country this summer.

But until that happens the Russia military controls Crimea and have yet to be driven out of the areas they have taken in the East.
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Uke psyops:

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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.

That would be news to the people in Moscow

*A cross border raid does not mean they have lost control of the country.


Mobilization of 300k troops, max effort assault in a winter offensive….and this is the result:

(check out the map showing Russian gains over the last 5 months)

There was no max effort winter offensive. There was a deliberate standoff while the Russians built up their forces and the Ukrainians sacrificed theirs for a PR victory that never materialized.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.

That would be news to the people in Moscow

*A cross border raid does not mean they have lost control of the country.


Mobilization of 300k troops, max effort assault in a winter offensive….and this is the result:

(check out the map showing Russian gains over the last 5 months)

There was no max effort winter offensive. There was a deliberate standoff while the Russians built up their forces and the Ukrainians sacrificed theirs for a PR victory that never materialized.

Goebbels-esque although I think you really believe that.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

Redbrickbear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.



Russia controls Crimea (its Black sea base) and large parts of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk

You are correct that they have simply traded being a gas station and natural resources producer for Europe for being the same but for China.

But they have not "lost" as long as they control these areas...50% of the reason they went to war was to gain control of these areas and their ethnic Russian populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts
Russia doesn't even control Russia right now.

That would be news to the people in Moscow

*A cross border raid does not mean they have lost control of the country.


Mobilization of 300k troops, max effort assault in a winter offensive….and this is the result:

(check out the map showing Russian gains over the last 5 months)

There was no max effort winter offensive. There was a deliberate standoff while the Russians built up their forces and the Ukrainians sacrificed theirs for a PR victory that never materialized.


Glorious President Putin has not even committed 10 troops to our Special Military Operation. Russia has already conquered Kyiv.
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After Bakhmut

Russia turned Bakhmut into the graveyard of Ukrainian military power. What comes next?
Douglas Macgregor
May 23, 2023

Until the fighting begins, national military strategy developed in peacetime shapes thinking about warfare and its objectives. Then the fighting creates a new logic of its own. Strategy is adjusted. Objectives change. The battle for Bakhmut illustrates this point very well.

When General Sergey Vladimirovich Serovikin, commander of Russian aerospace forces, assumed command of the Russian military in the Ukrainian theater last year, President Vladimir Putin and his senior military advisors concluded that their original assumptions about the war were wrong. Washington had proved incurably hostile to Moscow's offers to negotiate, and the ground force Moscow had committed to compel Kiev to negotiate had proved too small.

Surovikin was given wide latitude to streamline command relationships and reorganize the theater. Most importantly, Surovikin was also given the freedom of action to implement a defensive strategy that maximized the use of stand-off attack or strike systems while Russian ground forces expanded in size and striking power. The Bakhmut "Meatgrinder" was the result.

When it became clear that Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky and his government regarded Bakhmut as a symbol of Ukrainian resistance to Russian military power, Surovikin turned Bakhmut into the graveyard of Ukrainian military power. From the fall of 2022 onward, Surovikin exploited Zalenskiy's obsession with Bakhmut to engage in a bloody tug-of-war for control of the city. As a result, thousands of Ukrainian soldiers died in Bakhmut and many more were wounded.

Surovkin's performance is reminiscent of another Russian military officer: General Aleksei Antonov. As the first deputy chief of the Soviet general staff, Surovikin was, in Western parlance, the director of strategic planning. When Stalin demanded a new summer offensive in a May 1943 meeting, Antonov, the son and grandson of imperial Russian army officers, argued for a defensive strategy. Antonov insisted that Hitler, if allowed, would inevitably attack the Soviet defenses in the Kursk salient and waste German resources doing so.

Stalin, like Hitler, believed that wars were won with offensive action, not defensive operations.

Stalin was unmoved by Soviet losses. Antonov presented his arguments for the defensive strategy in a climate of fear, knowing that contradicting Stalin could cost him his life. To the surprise of Marshals Aleksandr Vasilevsky and Georgy Zhukov, who were present at the meeting, Stalin relented and approved Antonov's operational concept. The rest, as historians say, is history.

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Given the paucity of ammunition available to adequately supply one operational axis, it seems unlikely that a Ukrainian offensive involving two or more axes could succeed in penetrating Russian defenses. Persistent overhead surveillance makes it nearly impossible for Ukrainian forces to move through the twenty- to twenty-five-kilometer security zone and close with Russian forces before Ukrainian formations take significant losses.

Once Ukraine's offensive resources are exhausted Russia will likely take the offense. There is no incentive to delay Russian offensive operations. As Ukrainian forces repeatedly demonstrate, paralysis is always temporary. Infrastructure and equipment are repaired. Manpower is conscripted to rebuild destroyed formations. If Russia is to achieve its aim of demilitarizing Ukraine, Gerasimov surely knows he must still close with and complete the destruction of the Ukrainian ground forces that remain.

Why not spare the people of Ukraine further bloodletting and negotiate with Moscow for peace while Ukraine still possesses an army? Unfortunately, to be effective, diplomacy requires mutual respect, and Washington's effusive hatred for Russia makes diplomacy impossible. That hatred is rivaled only by the arrogance of much of the ruling class, who denigrate Russian military power largely because U.S. forces have been lucky enough to avoid conflict with a major power since the Korean War. More sober-minded leaders in Washington, Paris, Berlin, and other NATO capitols should urge a different course of action.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/after-bakhmut/
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Short version: Pekka Kallioniemi (whoever that is) doesn't know the difference between fact and opinion.
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Sam Lowry said:

Short version: Pekka Kallioniemi (whoever that is) doesn't know the difference between fact and opinion.

Neither does Col. MacGregor on most days.
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ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

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Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.




If Russia has already lost this war how come they occupy large areas of eastern Ukraine ?

Russia has 5x the manpower reserves of Ukraine and its Ukrainian infrastructure being destroyed….not Russian .
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KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Ukraine Loses Control of Bakhmut after Inflicting Heavy Losses on Russia
By Ari Blaff
May 22, 2023

Russian forces have captured the strategic eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's top commander in the region said, marking President Vladimir Putin's first significant battlefield victory since last summer's renewed offensive.

The news was hailed across Russia as a major success reminiscent of the Soviet Union's battlefield victories during World War II. One Russian fighter recalled that the battle for Bakhmut conjured up "probably the same emotions as our grandpas did in Berlin," the New York Times reports.

A news anchor for the state-owned media outlet, Channel 1, broadcasting from Moscow, declared: "Mission accomplished." The segment also cited reports that Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry headed by Sergei Shoigu had publicly credited Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner Group mercenary force, for aiding in the city's capture.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/they-destroyed-everything-ukraine-loses-control-of-bakhmut-after-inflicting-heavy-losses-on-russia/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first


I bet his leg will tingle in about 3 weeks when all the Russian troops there are fully enveloped.


Spike the football for the town and get encircled on the flanks. Sweet job.

Not to mention the new ordeal with Russians trying to capture Russian cities. They've really done well in this ordeal.


Any 'counter offense ' that is so widely anticipated is unlikely to succeed .

BTW Russia could lose 3 men to every one Ukrainian soldier and easily win this war.

Meanwhile Ukraine's infrastructure continues to get demolished.
It is a bit too late to easily win don't you think? Russia already lost this war and will go back to being a gas station but to the east.




If Russia has already lost this war how come they occupy large areas of eastern Ukraine ?

Russia has 5x the manpower reserves of Ukraine and its Ukrainian infrastructure being destroyed….not Russian .

Closer to 3x than 5x, and the infrastructure damage argument is disingenuous Outside of the war zone, it's negligible. And inside the war zone it's immaterial - of no use to either side claiming the ground. Your argument is that Ukraine should give it up for nothing in order to hand it to Russia in good condition.

As long as NATO keeps up the supply lines, Ukraine can and will outlast Russia.
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Sam Lowry said:

Short version: Pekka Kallioniemi (whoever that is) doesn't know the difference between fact and opinion.
You should be quoting more from General Mark Hertling than Col Macgregor.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Short version: Pekka Kallioniemi (whoever that is) doesn't know the difference between fact and opinion.
You should be quoting more from General Mark Hertling than Col Macgregor.
MacGregor looks and sounds like someone who is pissed he didn't get his star... Now, we see the character flaw that probably prevented promotion to Brigadier and passed over...
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