They said "Let us marry who we want"

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Redbrickbear
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Jack Bauer
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Redbrickbear said:



Not quite. Miss Universe is still a biological female (a Filipina American from Houston), but the owner of Miss Universe is a man.

And I would bet heavily that in the next 3 years, Miss Universe will be a man.

whiterock
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Waco1947 said:

whiterock said:

Waco1947 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Redbrickbear said:


There is no true freedom of speech in the UK. It's why things like this occur, and certain churches or church doctrines could be (or already are) criminalized.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that no Islamic church doctrines will ever be questioned.
It's Islamic mosque and yes, there is a huge debate within Islam as to their doctrines and like Christian doctrines there is a debate over interpretation of sacred texts.

You don't know much about islam, buddy
Yeah I know about it. You did not prove me wrong.
where are these huge debates you are talking about?
Unfortunately on the battlefield (however there is civilized in theological centers) debates in Mosques Muslim vs Muslim - What are the 4 divisions of Islam?


Four schools comprise Sunni jurisprudence: Hanafi, Shafii, Maliki, and Hanbali, the latter spawning the Wahhabi and Salafi movements in Saudi Arabia. Sunnism, a broad umbrella term for non-Shia Islam, is united on the importance of the Quran and practice of Mohammed but allows for differences in legal opinion.

basic reading on Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_bra

As do nearly all novice western observers of islam, you make so many errors in a single statement, explicit and implied, that it's hard to know where to start. There is no real "theological" debate within islam comparable to what we see in Christianity about the meanings of things. Even the Sunni-Shia division (the true schism in the faith which you did not cite) is not about theology. It's about the succession struggle for Caliph, who would follow Ali (#4) which culminated at the battle of Karbala in 680 (in favor of the Sunnis). Sunnis believe the Caliph should be the most capable man (chosen), while Shia believe the Caliph must be a blood relative of Muhammand (birthright). That, in practice, means in Sunni islam, the political leaders select the clergy, while in Shia islam, the clergy selects the political leaders. In pure theological terms there are no substantive debates comparable to what we see in Christianity. There is less theological difference between Sunni-Shia than there is between Catholic/Protestant. And of course within Sunni islam, the debates are even narrower, being largely restricted to jurisprudence (as your link notes) rather theology - about how to interpret the Koran for the enforcement of sharia. Enforcement of sharia, you see, IS the purpose of social contact in islamic society.

Below is a screenshot of a slide from one of my presentations on islam. It illustrates the type of "great debate" that occurs within islam, on a topic relevant to this thread.



Even between the four schools, there is no disagreement on jurisprudence until the fourth level of reference. All agree that the precedence is Koran, Hadith, Sunnah......at that point, they start diverging on where to look for guidance. The Umayyids, for example, promoted the Maliki School, which at the fourth level of reference looks to the practices of the peoples of Medina in the lifetime of Muhammad (because Muhammad stated that Medina was the place where the purest form of islam was practiced). The Ottomans followed the Hanafi School (Ottoman), the most "moderate" of the four in that the 7th level of reference allowed for local customs to influence the imam's decisions. Of note, all the "schools" refer to 8th-9th century scholars. There are obvious inferences to make about that, all of which show how narrow and tight are the parameters of "theology" in islam.

a brief summary:

("consensus of Muhammad's companions" = Sunnah)

I have a slide for each school but we don't need to go down the rabbit hole.

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He Hate Me said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I was asking about it from a religious standpoint. I had never heard that hetero backdoor action was forbidden. Hoping hetero oral is ok.


If you are not married, then the specific act is unimportant. They will all be forbidden.


I'm married, can I have oral and rear action with my girlfriend? Do I have to lay her husband know?

If he weren't so angered by Conservative media, he'd notice she's in the best shape of her life, wearing a different perfume and tastes like a man who travels the oceans by boat.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

He Hate Me said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I was asking about it from a religious standpoint. I had never heard that hetero backdoor action was forbidden. Hoping hetero oral is ok.


If you are not married, then the specific act is unimportant. They will all be forbidden.


I'm married, can I have oral and rear action with my girlfriend? Do I have to lay her husband know?

If he weren't so angered by Conservative media, he'd notice she's in the best shape of her life, wearing a different perfume and tastes like a man who travels the oceans by boat.


You junior high kids and your fantasies.
Redbrickbear
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Titus and Titus
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Now do Judaism with their Talmud and Mishnah.
whiterock
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Titus and Titus said:

Now do Judaism with their Talmud and Mishnah.
yet, somehow, neither Judaism nor Christianity have the same "issues" do they.
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This is very sad and all part of the slippery slope.
Titus and Titus
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What did people honestly think was going to happen in these situations?
whiterock
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Titus and Titus said:

What did people honestly think was going to happen in these situations?
in the 10,000 years or so of human experience, we somehow ended up in a situation where all civilizations of note were structured on traditional marriage (man to one or more women). Progressives would have us believe that is oppression from which we must be liberated.
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Harrison Bergeron
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Redbrickbear said:


Megyn Kelly hosted Dr. Leonard Sax today who has studied the issue extensively and dismantles a lot of the anti-intellectual propaganda.
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Redbrickbear said:




It is clear from those quotes that Pepper is either deeply evil or dumber than a box of rocks. Maybe both.
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Redbrickbear said:



If you want your child raised by this type of woman instead of grandma, you are a terrible parent.
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Harrison Bergeron
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Redbrickbear said:


It is genuinely strange how liberals have move from "everybody just do what you want" to "you must conform with the Establishment! I can imagine George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, and other 1960s counter-culture icons spinning in their graves at the demands of conformity.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


It is genuinely strange how liberals have move from "everybody just do what you want" to "you must conform with the Establishment! I can imagine George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, and other 1960s counter-culture icons spinning in their graves at the demands of conformity.


Or those supposed cultural rebels were really just liberals looking to tear down the old conservative culture…and would be in lock step with the new mainstream progressive culture of today.

I would laugh my *** off of Carlin was still alive and telling people how he could not tell trans jokes because they would be "insensitive".

They were always hypocrites
Jack Bauer
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Redbrickbear said:


muddybrazos
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Redbrickbear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


It is genuinely strange how liberals have move from "everybody just do what you want" to "you must conform with the Establishment! I can imagine George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, and other 1960s counter-culture icons spinning in their graves at the demands of conformity.


Or those supposed cultural rebels were really just liberals looking to tear down the old conservative culture…and would be in lock step with the new mainstream progressive culture of today.

I would laugh my *** off of Carlin was still alive and telling people how he could not tell trans jokes because they would be "insensitive".

They were always hypocrites
100% correct. We saw this with the Neil Young trying to cancel Joe Rogan for questioning the vaccine. Old boomers who used to hate the man are now the man who they used to be against. The most egregious example of this is Rage Against the Machine who now rages on behalf of pfizer, Coca Cola, the current regime etc.
Harrison Bergeron
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muddybrazos said:

Redbrickbear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


It is genuinely strange how liberals have move from "everybody just do what you want" to "you must conform with the Establishment! I can imagine George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, and other 1960s counter-culture icons spinning in their graves at the demands of conformity.


Or those supposed cultural rebels were really just liberals looking to tear down the old conservative culture…and would be in lock step with the new mainstream progressive culture of today.

I would laugh my *** off of Carlin was still alive and telling people how he could not tell trans jokes because they would be "insensitive".

They were always hypocrites
100% correct. We saw this with the Neil Young trying to cancel Joe Rogan for questioning the vaccine. Old boomers who used to hate the man are now the man who they used to be against. The most egregious example of this is Rage Against the Machine who now rages on behalf of pfizer, Coca Cola, the current regime etc.
I missed the Rage stories ...
LIB,MR BEARS
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Redbrickbear said:



If he'd taken a knee would he be seen as a hero?
muddybrazos
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Harrison Bergeron said:

muddybrazos said:

Redbrickbear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


It is genuinely strange how liberals have move from "everybody just do what you want" to "you must conform with the Establishment! I can imagine George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, and other 1960s counter-culture icons spinning in their graves at the demands of conformity.


Or those supposed cultural rebels were really just liberals looking to tear down the old conservative culture…and would be in lock step with the new mainstream progressive culture of today.

I would laugh my *** off of Carlin was still alive and telling people how he could not tell trans jokes because they would be "insensitive".

They were always hypocrites
100% correct. We saw this with the Neil Young trying to cancel Joe Rogan for questioning the vaccine. Old boomers who used to hate the man are now the man who they used to be against. The most egregious example of this is Rage Against the Machine who now rages on behalf of pfizer, Coca Cola, the current regime etc.
I missed the Rage stories ...
I dont think there are any Rage stories but I just see them as raging on behalf of the machine. Its ok now since the right kind of authoritarians are controlling the govt. If they were consistent they would rage against corporate facism & control over us as well as govt overreach.
Doc Holliday
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


It is genuinely strange how liberals have move from "everybody just do what you want" to "you must conform with the Establishment! I can imagine George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, and other 1960s counter-culture icons spinning in their graves at the demands of conformity.
Titus and Titus
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Who controls the media? What are their goals? Their World view? Their Religion?
muddybrazos
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Titus and Titus said:

Who controls the media? What are their goals? Their World view? Their Religion?
People who read the Talmud and hate Christ?
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Harrison Bergeron
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We had record illegal immigration.
Record inflation.
Looming recession.
Record crime.
Record drug deaths.
Record suicides in children.

And THIS is the priority.
Doc Holliday
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Titus and Titus said:

Who controls the media? What are their goals? Their World view? Their Religion?
Whoever pays to control it.

Big pharma spends upwards of $7 billion per year on legacy media advertising.

The world view of these people is one where money talks. The state has become an intermediary between messaging and profit.
J.R.
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He Hate Me said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I was asking about it from a religious standpoint. I had never heard that hetero backdoor action was forbidden. Hoping hetero oral is ok.


If you are not married, then the specific act is unimportant. They will all be forbidden.
Yeah, that really works!
Oldbear83
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Titus and Titus said:

Who controls the media? What are their goals? Their World view? Their Religion?
Is that a 'Lizard People' reference? Because I haven't seen a good conspiracy theory on the Lizard People in a while ...
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
LIB,MR BEARS
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Oldbear83 said:

Titus and Titus said:

Who controls the media? What are their goals? Their World view? Their Religion?
Is that a 'Lizard People' reference? Because I haven't seen a good conspiracy theory on the Lizard People in a while ...
Katsung, paging Katsung to the white Sic'em phone.
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Wrecks Quan Dough
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J.R. said:

He Hate Me said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

I was asking about it from a religious standpoint. I had never heard that hetero backdoor action was forbidden. Hoping hetero oral is ok.


If you are not married, then the specific act is unimportant. They will all be forbidden.
Yeah, that really works!


I am sorry for how you hold yourself in such low regard.
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