Osodecentx said:

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He Hate Me said:

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

A stunning split screen:
Biden, McConnell, fmr OH GOP Sen Rob Portman, KY Dem Sen Sherrod Brown, OH’s GOP Gov Mike DeWine & KY’s Dem Gov Andy Beshear tout bipartisan successes over the last 2 yrs as chaos grows among House GOP’ers blocking McCarthy’s speakership bid a 4th time. pic.twitter.com/GlReCO2nsV

— Allie Raffa (@AllieRaffa) January 4, 2023

the GOP proudly wearing ukraine flags, passing same-sex marriage, and working in lockstep to advance biden’s gun control/infrastructure/omnibus bills was far more embarrassing to the party than anything that’s happened during the speaker showdown.

— Logan Hall (@loganclarkhall) January 4, 2023

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A stunning split screen:
Biden, McConnell, fmr OH GOP Sen Rob Portman, KY Dem Sen Sherrod Brown, OH’s GOP Gov Mike DeWine & KY’s Dem Gov Andy Beshear tout bipartisan successes over the last 2 yrs as chaos grows among House GOP’ers blocking McCarthy’s speakership bid a 4th time. pic.twitter.com/GlReCO2nsV

— Allie Raffa (@AllieRaffa) January 4, 2023

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lol you love the uniparty and business as usual.

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A stunning split screen:
Biden, McConnell, fmr OH GOP Sen Rob Portman, KY Dem Sen Sherrod Brown, OH’s GOP Gov Mike DeWine & KY’s Dem Gov Andy Beshear tout bipartisan successes over the last 2 yrs as chaos grows among House GOP’ers blocking McCarthy’s speakership bid a 4th time. pic.twitter.com/GlReCO2nsV

— Allie Raffa (@AllieRaffa) January 4, 2023

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That's the core problem - the GOP tends to be principled and can work in a bi-partisan manner, but the downfall is some principles do not always aligned. The authoritarian-fascist Democrats rarely have this problem as they always goosestep in formation.

I like it when opposing entities can act like grown adults and work together to get things done.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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The GOP is just stupid.

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If we don't get rid of the Santos, Greene and the ilk of Lake we are doomed.

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Isn't Greene supporting McCarthy?

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Yep, She is

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Was surprised to learn she actually did support Kevin but I still think her ilk are the biggest detriment to the Party.

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MTG has flipped over to the uniparty wing of the GOP so she's on your side. She cut some kind of deal with McCarthy so she could get on committees and has sold out all of the people who were backing her.

muddybrazos said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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The GOP is just stupid.

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If we don't get rid of the Santos, Greene and the ilk of Lake we are doomed.

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Isn't Greene supporting McCarthy?

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Yep, She is

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Was surprised to learn she actually did support Kevin but I still think her ilk are the biggest detriment to the Party.

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MTG has flipped over to the uniparty wing of the GOP so she's on your side. She cut some kind of deal with McCarthy so she could get on committees and has sold out all of the people who were backing her.

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What do you think Gaetz and crew are fighting for? It isn't your self interest, that's for sure. Committees, committee chairs and membership are the baseball cards traded in this situation.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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He Hate Me said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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The GOP is just stupid.

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If we don't get rid of the Santos, Greene and the ilk of Lake we are doomed.

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Isn't Greene supporting McCarthy?

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Yep, She is

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Was surprised to learn she actually did support Kevin but I still think her ilk are the biggest detriment to the Party.

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MTG has flipped over to the uniparty wing of the GOP so she's on your side. She cut some kind of deal with McCarthy so she could get on committees and has sold out all of the people who were backing her.

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What do you think Gaetz and crew are fighting for? It isn't your self interest, that's for sure. Committees, committee chairs and membership are the baseball cards traded in this situation.

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They told Mccarthy what they wanted and he declined. Seems pretty cut and dry.

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screw that mic. He is just a meow. No balls. No respect.

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For someone who claims he's Republican, you sure do seem to hate them. Never heard you say a harsh word about a Democrat.

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I believe J.R. has stated he's a conservative.

That's different from being a Republican by today's definitions.

Wanting/voting for small government, which appears to be J.R.'s stance, is very different from wanting:

- no government, like the guys who won't vote to fund it so we can have a functional nation & don't collapse the global economy,

- corrupt government under a despot like Trump because he gives you something you want, like justices who will overturn Roe & you think that's an acceptable trade-off, or

- revenge government, where you use your power in Congress to investigate and humiliate your political enemies. This last is what Kevin Pink-Tie promised. It's not a compelling platform to most folks.

And JR's right that McCarthy's a wimp and a wuss.

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I like it when opposing entities can act like grown adults and work together to get things done.

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Somehow, I doubt you would retain that sentiment if it were I or any other of the significantly-right-of-center posters you were forced to work with. This would be especially true if we were setting the agenda.

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I like it when opposing entities can act like grown adults and work together to get things done.

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That would be nice. What's that got to do with Congress?

This is just embarrassing to watch.

Republicans failed to hold those in their caucus who helped plan Trump's coup & enabled him to disrupt & obstruct a peaceful transfer of power, and now they are paying the price in terms of lawlessness and lack of accountability within their ranks.

Karma's a ***** for Kevin, but he's right about one thing: He's earned this. What Kevin THINKS he earned is the Speaker's chair. What he earned is this dismal, embarrassing, painful-to-watch round after round of votes where Hakeem Jeffries has the most votes.

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This is just embarrassing to watch.

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This is the way a democratic body works. Maybe you prefer the way a politburo streamlines things.

I'm sorry, but what are you even saying? Is the point that you don't like the bi-partisan infrastructure bill because your (admittedly far right) faction didn't get to set the agenda?

I'm sorry, that's just not a how a democratic body works, maybe you would prefer the streamlined single party rule of a politburo or something...

This is incredible pic.twitter.com/jYuY6a6gom

— Kevin McMahon (@Kevin__McMahon) January 4, 2023

HuMcK said:

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I like it when opposing entities can act like grown adults and work together to get things done.

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Nah you love it when they pass omnibus bills that are designed to fleece taxpayers and benefit the elite.

HuMcK said:

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I'm sorry, but what are you even saying? Is the point that you don't like the bi-partisan infrastructure bill because your (admittedly far right) faction didn't get to set the agenda?

I'm sorry, that's just not a how a democratic body works, maybe you would prefer the streamlined single party rule of a politburo or something...

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It is tough when the bot has to think about political philosophy. The response makes no sense from Mr. Shmuckbot.

pic.twitter.com/pFKZvhvgbf

— The Right To Bear Memes (@grandoldmemes) January 4, 2023

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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screw that mic. He is just a meow. No balls. No respect.

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For someone who claims he's Republican, you sure do seem to hate them. Never heard you say a harsh word about a Democrat.

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I believe J.R. has stated he's a conservative.

That's different from being a Republican by today's definitions.

Wanting/voting for small government, which appears to be J.R.'s stance, is very different from wanting:

- no government, like the guys who won't vote to fund it so we can have a functional nation & don't collapse the global economy,

- corrupt government under a despot like Trump because he gives you something you want, like justices who will overturn Roe & you think that's an acceptable trade-off, or

- revenge government, where you use your power in Congress to investigate and humiliate your political enemies. This last is what Kevin Pink-Tie promised. It's not a compelling platform to most folks.

And JR's right that McCarthy's a wimp and a wuss.

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So he votes for people he constantly complains about and loathes? I suppose we can pretend JR is a conservative, but I think we both know he's about as conservative as you are.

And let's be honest about your assessment: anything short of big, bloated govt. is no govt. in your book. Hell, Clinton would look like an anarchist next to the current Democrat administration.

Enough. McCarthy needs to step down.

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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He Hate Me said:

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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Once again reminds me of Never Trumpers and the 2020 and 2022 elections....

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pic.twitter.com/pFKZvhvgbf

— The Right To Bear Memes (@grandoldmemes) January 4, 2023

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I'm ok with this cycle. Lets see what happens after a month or so.

I know the republicans are anxious to "investigate" and if they do, will likely politically damage the other side, but for what? No democrats will go to jail and corrupt behavior on both sides will just continue. We may find out that Saint Fauci indeed funded the pandemic with taxpayer dollars but nothing will ever happen to him. Repubs want to follow nancy's lead and kick folks like Chinese banging Swallwell off of committees, but there will be time for that.

Somethings got to give and I hope the anti-McCarthy 20 hold their ground.

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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Once again reminds me of Never Trumpers and the 2020 and 2022 elections....

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Okay
I hope you are as proud of the Gaetz/Boebert group as I am of the AZ Never Trumpers.
BTW just pointing out that Trump's endorsement is taking down another candidate

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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Once again reminds me of Never Trumpers and the 2020 and 2022 elections....

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Okay
I hope you are as proud of the Gaetz/Boebert group as I am of the AZ Never Trumpers.
BTW just pointing out that Trump's endorsement is taking down another candidate

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its not, he wasnt gonna win without it or with it. He is gonna have to make alot of deals that he is unwilling to make so he had no shot

Some folks will find a way to blame Trump for whatever happens.

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

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Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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Once again reminds me of Never Trumpers and the 2020 and 2022 elections....

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Okay
I hope you are as proud of the Gaetz/Boebert group as I am of the AZ Never Trumpers.
BTW just pointing out that Trump's endorsement is taking down another candidate

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They're both embarrassments, although Gaetz/Boebert have not yet reached Cheney level embarrassment.

Remember, it's people like me that are stuck in the middle of you clowns.

She seems lovely...

FWIW, @ByronDonalds is not a historic candidate for Speaker. He is a prop. Despite being Black, he supports a policy agenda intent on upholding and perpetuating white supremacy.

His name being in the mix is not progress—it’s pathetic.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 4, 2023

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Osodecentx said:

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180+ Republican House members voted for McCarthy. That means approximately 42 did not vote for him. Less than 25% of the Republican conference will dictate to the majority.

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To be fair, that's exactly what the Never Trumpers did in 2020 and 2022, is it not?

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In the election of a Speaker?

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I was referring to your consternation that a minority of Republicans are trying to dictate to the majority regarding who should be leader. Wouldn't that same adage aptly apply to the Never Trumpers - a small minority of the Republican Party attempting to hold the majority hostage by threatening in essence to burn the house down if Trump (or his candidates) are either nominated or elected?

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You are comparing the voting patterns of moderate Republican and Independents to 19 Republicans in a Speaker election. They are vastly different things.
I don't care if you guys block McCarthy. He made the trip to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring after Jan 6. He has been rolled by the so-called Freedom Caucus; what will liberals do to him?
In the general election moderates and Independents aren't blocking the election of an executive branch officer, they're just not voting for your preferred candidate. I'm not holding anyone hostage for my vote. You guys nominate candidates and I'll consider them. I'm not asking for anything.

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You are a small minority of vocal Republicans who, instead of coming together for the good of the party and attempting to find a way to co-exist, are instead either outright supporting Democrats or at the very least financially supporting candidates who attempt to get Dems elected because you loathe the potential Republican nominee for president. In short, like the Freedom Caucus, you are small minority that is willing to blow up the party if you don't get your nominee.

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I'm not a Republican and I don't give a damn about your party or the other party. I am Never Trump & I'll be voting in the Republican primary. I'll support a Democrat when you guys nominate a Paxton or someone similar.
I probably am a small minority so why do you care?

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Case in point, right here. Call yourself whatever you want, but you just made my case for me.

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What case? I might plead guilty?

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That you and the NT's share the exact same attributes and are doing the same thing as the minority of Republicans you in Congress you've complained about. The rigidity and willingness to blow it up, as expressed in your last post, is my case in point.

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You guys just aren't meant to govern, just complain

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.

---

Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

---

I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

---

Once again reminds me of Never Trumpers and the 2020 and 2022 elections....

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Okay
I hope you are as proud of the Gaetz/Boebert group as I am of the AZ Never Trumpers.
BTW just pointing out that Trump's endorsement is taking down another candidate

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They're both embarrassments, although Gaetz/Boebert have not yet reached Cheney level embarrassment.

Remember, it's people like me that are stuck in the middle of you clowns.

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There's a path for you to the left.

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She seems lovely...

FWIW, @ByronDonalds is not a historic candidate for Speaker. He is a prop. Despite being Black, he supports a policy agenda intent on upholding and perpetuating white supremacy.

His name being in the mix is not progress—it’s pathetic.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 4, 2023

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Cori Bush preparing a speech or tweet against an opponent:

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She seems lovely...

FWIW, @ByronDonalds is not a historic candidate for Speaker. He is a prop. Despite being Black, he supports a policy agenda intent on upholding and perpetuating white supremacy.

His name being in the mix is not progress—it’s pathetic.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 4, 2023

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She is fun at parties.

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She seems lovely...

FWIW, @ByronDonalds is not a historic candidate for Speaker. He is a prop. Despite being Black, he supports a policy agenda intent on upholding and perpetuating white supremacy.

His name being in the mix is not progress—it’s pathetic.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 4, 2023

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This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.

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She seems lovely...

FWIW, @ByronDonalds is not a historic candidate for Speaker. He is a prop. Despite being Black, he supports a policy agenda intent on upholding and perpetuating white supremacy.

His name being in the mix is not progress—it’s pathetic.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 4, 2023

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This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.

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What did Schif tell us?

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She seems lovely...

FWIW, @ByronDonalds is not a historic candidate for Speaker. He is a prop. Despite being Black, he supports a policy agenda intent on upholding and perpetuating white supremacy.

His name being in the mix is not progress—it’s pathetic.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 4, 2023

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This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.

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Who selected this person with her vast qualifications to share her opinion and direct in even some minuscule way policy in USA?

She seems like an Obama appointee for the Supreme Court