Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) calls out Kevin McCarthy as a “squatter” for occupying the Speaker’s office despite not being elected:

“I would like to know what the basis is to allow someone to occupy the Speaker’s office who comes in second place ten straight times.” pic.twitter.com/BT3fxe1Ia6

— The Recount (@therecount) January 5, 2023

Maybe he's right, Jeffries deserves the office.

HuMcK said:

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Maybe he's right, Jeffries deserves the office.

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I thought election deniers were a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY?

Do we want A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY in the Speaker's chair?

The good news is that once the ballots reach 18, Matt Gaetz will lose interest.

— Charlotte Clymer 🇺🇦 (@cmclymer) January 5, 2023

Says a lot that a scumbag like Gaetz is the point man for all of this. A healthier party would have pruned him from the bush a long time ago.

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Says a lot that a scumbag like Gaetz is the point man for all of this. A healthier party would have pruned him from the bush a long time ago.

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Yea don't want the actual voters having a voice in who their elected leaders are…

Just come out and say you want a unelected cabal of party big shots to decide who gets elected.

Most liberals would be easy to stomach if they would just be honest about what they really want.

A Scripted/choreographed pseudo-democracy that always moves toward the left.

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As long as they're changing rules they should institute a 3 votes & your candidacy for speaker is done if you don't win a majority rule.

This is beyond embarrassing and not just for McCarthy.

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What's embarrassing is the election-denying minority leader claiming not have a Speaker is a "threat to national security."

Tomorrow it will be racist and anti-trainey.

Saturday it will be a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!

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The inability of the majority party in the House to choose a leader without forcing said leader to compromise himself to a group of malcontents who backed a coup attempt and then lied about it and covered it up does threaten our national security.

You don't have to be a Democrat to conclude that.

McCarthy hasn't uttered a peep about lying George Santos b/c he needed the vote & he still can't push, pull or drag himself into the speaker's gavel.

Which he threatened to bean Nancy Pelosi with.

He & Elise Stefanik woofed tirelessly about how he was going to read the constitution on the House flood and all these great things House Republicans could do, mainly vengeful investigations they were going to launch.

Now they look like a broken down car that no amount of jump-starting can bring to life.

The fact that McCarthy and company are willing to do a deal with the Democrats rather than give anything to the right wing of their own caucus tells us everything. The GOP establishment hates us more than it hates the left. pic.twitter.com/l3t74UBad2

— The Mallard Reborn (@MallardReborn) January 5, 2023

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Maybe he's right, Jeffries deserves the office.

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I thought election deniers were a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY?

Do we want A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY in the Speaker's chair?

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He Enjoys
Inner Security
Not Obvious To
The Republicans Under Most Pretenses

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Maybe he's right, Jeffries deserves the office.

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deserves? Maybe Pelosi should have stepped down sooner..

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The fact that McCarthy and company are willing to do a deal with the Democrats rather than give anything to the right wing of their own caucus tells us everything. The GOP establishment hates us more than it hates the left. pic.twitter.com/l3t74UBad2

— The Mallard Reborn (@MallardReborn) January 5, 2023

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Hard to believe

McCarthy Warns Not Voting For Him Could Delay More Funds To Ukraine https://t.co/jQzsAQdZ0H

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) January 5, 2023

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As long as they're changing rules they should institute a 3 votes & your candidacy for speaker is done if you don't win a majority rule.

This is beyond embarrassing and not just for McCarthy.

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What's embarrassing is the election-denying minority leader claiming not have a Speaker is a "threat to national security."

Tomorrow it will be racist and anti-trainey.

Saturday it will be a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!

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The inability of the majority party in the House to choose a leader without forcing said leader to compromise himself to a group of malcontents who backed a coup attempt and then lied about it and covered it up does threaten our national security.

You don't have to be a Democrat to conclude that.

McCarthy hasn't uttered a peep about lying George Santos b/c he needed the vote & he still can't push, pull or drag himself into the speaker's gavel.

Which he threatened to bean Nancy Pelosi with.

He & Elise Stefanik woofed tirelessly about how he was going to read the constitution on the House flood and all these great things House Republicans could do, mainly vengeful investigations they were going to launch.

Now they look like a broken down car that no amount of jump-starting can bring to life.

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Let me give you a short lesson in how democracy works ....

Democracy is when a group of people come together to hash out decisions. Sometimes this gets messy because in democracy each person gets a vote and each vote counts equally. Since not everyone agrees on every decision, the people are forced to debate, influence, and ultimately compromise. This usually leads to decisions that is the the first choice of anyone but acceptable to everyone or most everyone. It is messy watching the sausage get made, but hopefully in the end it is the fairest outcome for the most people.

Conversely, authoritarianism is when a small group of leaders dictate all the decisions for the people. This looks very clean and efficient on the outside because their is little seeming disagreement and things are done quickly because debate and dissent are not allowed. This always leads to decisions that are the first choice of the decision makers but bad for the rest of the people.

It therefore is not surprising that a faction of the Congressmen wanting concessions are rebelling against the authoritarian, dysfunctional body created by the Democrats whereby, massive, pork-laden crony capitalistic, taxpayer-giveaways to special interest groups and billionaires occur in "omnibus" bills. This are created by a small cabal of authoritarian leaders, and the rest of the people are given little influence or say in the matter. In fact, if you recall, Dear Leader Pelosi created the framework of "we must pass the bill to know what is in the bill."

It is not surprising to me knowing what I now about your politics that you prefer an authoritarian system where power is concentrated among a few versus giving everyone a say. It is very consistent with the Democratic march toward authoritarianism. I would laugh if it was not so sad that once again the Party of Projection constantly whining that everything is a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY actually is upset about democracy taking place. There is a lot of information content in the fact you think people challenging the authoritarian precedent is a "coup."

BTW - given I assume you support China Joe ... why are you suddenly concerned with people lying about their biography? China Joe has told more lies in two years about his life than than Santos idiot, but oddly your outrage seems tribally directed.

McCarthy keeps getting 90% of member votes, and outside polls keep showing 90% of GOP voters don’t want him.

The establishment GOP is done. If not today, tomorrow.

— Peter St Onge, Ph.D. (@profstonge) January 5, 2023

Taking a few days to elect a Speaker is not embarrassing. Congress passing a $1.7 trillion spending bill without reading it that secured the borders of Oman and Jordan but not our own country is embarrassing.

— Michael Seifert (@realmichaelseif) January 5, 2023

Just in case you needed another reason to support the McCarthy showdown pic.twitter.com/OkGI9DmkOQ

— Auron MacIntyre (@AuronMacintyre) January 5, 2023

What a tragedy for the USA

No new taxes
No new handouts for Ukraine
No new gun laws
No new kangaroos courts
No new cringe filled proclamations

Truly, a time to try men's souls. pic.twitter.com/0OGvUNtmal

— EnochPowell (@MogTheUrbanite) January 5, 2023

Redbrickbear said:

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Just in case you needed another reason to support the McCarthy showdown pic.twitter.com/OkGI9DmkOQ

— Auron MacIntyre (@AuronMacintyre) January 5, 2023

What a tragedy for the USA

No new taxes
No new handouts for Ukraine
No new gun laws
No new kangaroos courts
No new cringe filled proclamations

Truly, a time to try men's souls. pic.twitter.com/0OGvUNtmal

— EnochPowell (@MogTheUrbanite) January 5, 2023

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Given Democrat Congressmen are sleeping with Chinese operatives and Democrat Senators are hiring them on staff ... probably good they're not getting security briefings.

McCarthy voted for:

- same sex marriage
- vax mandates for military
- $100B for Ukraine
- to use Medicare to fund USPS
- drafting of women
- J6 committee
- DC as the 51st state
- amnesty for DACA

And more…https://t.co/DQHNL94xut

— Lara Logan (@laralogan) January 6, 2023

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.
Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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That's not the way I read "goes to plurality." Far more likely that mods crossover to cut some kind of deal with Dems to get enough votes for McCarthy or some other moderate Republican, offering up rules more favorable to the minority, promised legislation, one or more committee chairmanships. There is a template for that kind of structure = the Texas legislature. The organizer of such effort is invariably.....the speaker.

Think about motive. The only viable reason to cross over to Dems is to gain the speakership........

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Motive would be to create chaos in which the dead enders prosper. Nobody knew who these people were 1 week ago. Now that there is chaos, they are getting hours of air time and notoriety.
The process would be to not vote for anyone, thus lowering the threshold vote necessary to be elected Speaker.

note they actually said it: That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

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"goes to plurality" does not mean what you say. It means, if enough members do not show up, then it reduces the number required for a majority of members PRESENT. Jeffries would then clear the hurdle. So, in context, the holdouts are threatening to stand aside and let the will of the House prevail, not collude with the other side. It is moderates who will collude. It happens every session in the Tx legislature....Dems effectively pick the Speaker of the Tx House. And, as some posts above indicate (as I predicted), it is moderates who will do that same gambit in the US House.

We may have it all worked out today. And few will remember this a year from now and nobody persuadable will even remember it.. Except for Republicans, who are watching and taking notes. The party at large is with the holdouts, who are not making any unreasonable demands.

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Says a lot that a scumbag like Gaetz is the point man for all of this. A healthier party would have pruned him from the bush a long time ago.

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LOL. Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Barney Frank, Jesse Jackson, Jr., and William Jefferson Clinton say "hi."

Might not be a good idea to try to take the moral high ground here.

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Says a lot that a scumbag like Gaetz is the point man for all of this. A healthier party would have pruned him from the bush a long time ago.

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LOL. Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Barney Frank, and Jesse Jackson, Jr., say "hi."

Might not be a good idea to try to take the moral high ground here.

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no love for Slick Willie?

PA.

- UL

... and, as usual, TIA.

{ sipping coffee }

and if Maxine Waters is bullying for you, then you know he's a RINO.

BID.

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Says a lot that a scumbag like Gaetz is the point man for all of this. A healthier party would have pruned him from the bush a long time ago.

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LOL. Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Barney Frank, and Jesse Jackson, Jr., say "hi."

Might not be a good idea to try to take the moral high ground here.

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no love for Slick Willie?

PA.

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... and, as usual, TIA.

{ sipping coffee }

and if Maxine Waters is bullying for you, then you know he's a RINO.

BID.

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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RE Frank: He paid male prostitutes for sex, and his home in Washington DC was being used as a gay brothel. Frank admitted to this and publicly apologized years ago. But he of course remained in public office, and rose high up the ranks in your party, becoming leader of the House Financial Services Committee.

As for the rest, it's more of your predictable spin. RE Franken, seven women accused him of sexual misconduct and/or assault, including two Congressional aides, who claimed he attempted to kiss and/or grope them. Guy was a loose cannon at the capitol, which is what led him to being asked to resign.

As for Gaetz, he's a pariah in the party, and holds sway over a small minority of Repubs. The idea that he's in a leadership position because he's loud and obnoxious is ridiculous. He's no more a leader of the Repubs than that embarrassment called "The Squad" is the leader of the Democrats.

None of the men I mentioned in my post resigned, but remained - in some cases in leadership positions with your party - long after the allegations against them came out. In many cases, Dems publicly defended them, despite their lurid and criminal conduct. So let's dispense with the holier than thou attitude.

As for books, I love how you always conveniently overlook the fact that the books being "banned" from schools, as you say, in most instances contain inappropriate and in some instances graphic depictions of sex or vulgarity.

Just to catch you up on current events, you were the first person on this thread to attempt the moral equivalency argument. It of course backfired, as your reasoning so often does, and now you're trying to claim it was the Republicans who started the equivalency argument? Sure bro.

Is he playing the circle game?

Newly elected freshman Rep. George Santos (R-NY) makes gestures with his hands as he casts his vote for House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy in the 10th round of voting for Speaker of the House on the 3rd day of Congress. Reuters Photo by Evelyn Hockstein ⁦@evelynpix⁩ pic.twitter.com/gH5WV2ZXxb

— Jim Bourg (@jimbourg) January 6, 2023

Dems; The GOP is the party of old, white men..

GOP elects minority to Congress.

Dems:

MSNBC's @JoyAnnReid: Republicans are using blacks as "props" in supporting them for high office pic.twitter.com/xY7IFzDw4J

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) January 6, 2023

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.

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Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.
Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/

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I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.

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I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker

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That's not the way I read "goes to plurality." Far more likely that mods crossover to cut some kind of deal with Dems to get enough votes for McCarthy or some other moderate Republican, offering up rules more favorable to the minority, promised legislation, one or more committee chairmanships. There is a template for that kind of structure = the Texas legislature. The organizer of such effort is invariably.....the speaker.

Think about motive. The only viable reason to cross over to Dems is to gain the speakership........

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Motive would be to create chaos in which the dead enders prosper. Nobody knew who these people were 1 week ago. Now that there is chaos, they are getting hours of air time and notoriety.
The process would be to not vote for anyone, thus lowering the threshold vote necessary to be elected Speaker.

note they actually said it: That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

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Jeffries would then clear the hurdle. So, in context, the holdouts are threatening to stand aside and let the will of the House prevail, not collude with the other side. It is moderates who will collude. It happens every session in the Tx legislature....Dems effectively pick the Speaker of the Tx House. And, as some posts above indicate (as I predicted), it is moderates who will do that same gambit in the US House.

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I'm betting your state rep voted for the prevailing Tx speaker, Mr republican board member

Morning! On the two year anniversary of January 6, I offer an analysis of how the Republican Speaker fight is likely encouraging more domestic terrorism. https://t.co/jVkuELRR75

— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) January 6, 2023

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Morning! On the two year anniversary of January 6, I offer an analysis of how the Republican Speaker fight is likely encouraging more domestic terrorism. https://t.co/jVkuELRR75

— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) January 6, 2023

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I love the entertainment media.

Jan. 6th is gonna be a High Holy day of the left for a long time.

Their Pearl Harbor day...right up there with the birth of MLK and the day Obergefell came down.

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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The president of the United States faces a credible rape allegation from Tara Reid.

He also allegedly molested his daughter, according to Ashley Biden.

Do you think he should resign or do you not Believe All Women?

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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The president of the United States faces a credible rape allegation from Tara Reid.

He also allegedly molested his daughter, according to Ashley Biden.

Do you think he should resign or do you not Believe All Women?

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Even the right wing rags dropped her when they applied a minimum amount of scrutiny. That woman is not credible. Not that you actually cared about the accusation in the first place, your interest in it is only to potentially weaponize it. Case in point, you didn't even get her name right.

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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The president of the United States faces a credible rape allegation from Tara Reid.

He also allegedly molested his daughter, according to Ashley Biden.

Do you think he should resign or do you not Believe All Women?

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Even the right wing rags dropped her when they applied a minimum amount of scrutiny. That woman is not credible. Not that you actually cared about the accusation in the first place, your interest in it is only to potentially weaponize it. Case in point, you didn't even get her name right.

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What evidence do you have that she is not credible? What makes here less credible than the women the Democrats brought out to make up allegations against Brett Kavanaugh? I am just curious if you apply the same standards, but guessing depends on the tribe.

Do you not Believe All Women?

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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The president of the United States faces a credible rape allegation from Tara Reid.

He also allegedly molested his daughter, according to Ashley Biden.

Do you think he should resign or do you not Believe All Women?

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Even the right wing rags dropped her when they applied a minimum amount of scrutiny. That woman is not credible. Not that you actually cared about the accusation in the first place, your interest in it is only to potentially weaponize it. Case in point, you didn't even get her name right.

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What evidence do you have that she is not credible? What makes here less credible than the women the Democrats brought out to make up allegations against Brett Kavanaugh? I am just curious if you apply the same standards, but guessing depends on the tribe.

Do you not Believe All Women?

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That's pretty ironic coming from a Trumper. It's Tara Reade by the way, in case you were still pretending to care.

If you are a liberal male and an attractive woman wants to go out with you...you are probably about to get exposed by James O'Keefe!

NYT Reporter @AllMattNYT: “Me and two other colleagues that were there[The Capitol on Jan 6th]…we were just having fun…you were not in any danger… these fu*king little dweebs who keep going on about their trauma - shut the f*ck up!” pic.twitter.com/yG8wVTq0ix

— Project Veritas (@Project_Veritas) January 6, 2023

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Some of those were absolutely bad men (I'm not aware of any allegations for Barny Frank other than he's gay, but that's enough for some types), especially Kennedy...but that guy was a dinosaur and he's been dead for over a decade.

More recently than that, Democrats ran Al Franken out of a Senate seat (far more valuable than a safe House seat) for a fraction of what Gaetz was credibly accused of. Honestly, the two men's allegations aren't even in the same ball park. Not only did they tolerate Gaetz, the GOP has allowed someone who should be relegated as an obscure back-bencher to instead become a leading voice in the party, who will almost unilaterally choose or hold sway over the next Speaker. Don't even get me started on Dennis Hastert, or the similarities between him and Jim Jordan, who is also a leading voice in the party.

I'm also not the one out here thumping bibles to justify banning any mention of undesirable "subversive" topics in books or education, that's y'all pretending to be on the moral high horse.

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The president of the United States faces a credible rape allegation from Tara Reid.

He also allegedly molested his daughter, according to Ashley Biden.

Do you think he should resign or do you not Believe All Women?

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Even the right wing rags dropped her when they applied a minimum amount of scrutiny. That woman is not credible. Not that you actually cared about the accusation in the first place, your interest in it is only to potentially weaponize it. Case in point, you didn't even get her name right.

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What evidence do you have that she is not credible? What makes here less credible than the women the Democrats brought out to make up allegations against Brett Kavanaugh? I am just curious if you apply the same standards, but guessing depends on the tribe.

Do you not Believe All Women?

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That's pretty ironic coming from a Trumper. It's Tara Reade by the way, in case you were still pretending to care.

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Do you Believe All Women or not? Not a difficult question.

What makes her less credible than the slew of Kavanaugh accusers that magically appeared 20 years later? Do you believe them? What evidence did they present that make them more credible?