With the Biden revelations I'm thinking we are witnessing a power struggle in the Biden adm.

Joe and Jill want to keep the gravy train running and other elements want them gone. Hence the leaks and sudden curiosity and media scrutiny of Joe's "problems."

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ok let me understand thes eclassified documents: A President can or cannot declassify any document he wants?
2) A President elect can not declassify previous classified documents he had in his possession when he was a senator or Vice Pres?
3) A president son or wife or brother has no business with classified documents True or F?

If no is there a penalty

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1 = yes. POTUS has sole power to classify/declassify in time, place, manner, and to whom, at his discretion.
2 = no. No class/declass authority. Access to classified information is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS.
3 = F. A POTUS may seek advice from anyone, to include family members not in office. That could include a verbal briefing, or handing a classified document to read. Further possession would be at discretion of POTUS.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-tells-jordan-disclosing-info-biden-documents-probe-congress-jeopardize-investigation

This explains the appointment of a special investigator. It was done to make sure House committee members will not be able to see any Biden documents until well after 2024 (if ever). They will simply claim documents are part of an ongoing investigation that may last forever.

They shouldn't broadcast allegations that can't be proven or even rumors to drum up public interest about things that will never matter. Get to work on something that matters instead of gossiping like middle schoolers

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They shouldn't broadcast allegations that can't be proven or even rumors to drum up public interest about things that will never matter. Get to work on something that matters instead of gossiping like middle schoolers

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The republicans are just doing what democrats do in our dysfunctional gov't. But I agree with you. Biden voters could care less about his criminal behavior. Besides the media wouldn't cover it and the fbi/doj wouldn't do anything about it even if they did find a smoking gun. Best to get onto something where they could make a difference.

This issue will leave a mark on Biden. SHOULD knock him out of running. But will it?

85% of Republicans and 62% of Independents say it is likely that information from classified documents was used by Hunter Biden in foreign business deals.#garagegate https://t.co/Zlr3vxZgyg

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) January 31, 2023

Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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I agree

whiterock said:

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This issue will leave a mark on Biden. SHOULD knock him out of running. But will it?

85% of Republicans and 62% of Independents say it is likely that information from classified documents was used by Hunter Biden in foreign business deals.#garagegate https://t.co/Zlr3vxZgyg

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) January 31, 2023

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.....just musing as to what the $$$ value of Joe's docs brought on the open market?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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You posted this on 1/22. Why couldn't Biden declassify the docs he stole as senator and the ones he kept in the garage and at the PennBiden Center? Wouldn't a separation of powers argument carry the day in SCOTUS? If Trump can declassify any doc by mere thought why can't Biden?

POTUS has unchecked declassification authority. He can talk about a memorandum dissemination (highest possible compartmentation) with anyone in the world, to get advice, or encourage cooperation, or to whack a foreign leader about the head with it in negotiations. He could walk out on a stage in front of TV cameras and read a TopSecret intelligence report to the world on the spur of a moment if he thought it was in the interest of the USA. If a POTUS sticks a document in his briefcase and takes it with him to the residence in the WH, or brings it along to read on AF1, or to a motel in a foreign country, or have a conversation about classified information with anyone along the way.....it's all perfectly legal and normal. All classification and declassification authority flows from POTUS. It is POTUS who determines how, when, where, who to delegate class/declas authority. It is virtually impossible for a POTUS to commit what those of us who served in the classified world knew fearfully as "a security violation." That's why they're trying to ring Trump up on violation of technicalities of the PRA......not for taking them or having them, but for not giving them back.

whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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"LOL. No court can encumber POTUS with procedures for declassification. If a POTUS says, 'it is declassified,' that's it. All procedures set forth in XO are for those to whom he has delegated power, not him. He may change the policy at any time, for any reason, in any way, for any length of time."

I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

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remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

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remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

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Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

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remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

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Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

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its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

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remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

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Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

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its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

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And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

---

remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

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Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

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its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

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And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

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On Dec. 19, 1793, Vice President John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, "my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived."

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

---

remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

---

Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

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its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

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And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

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On Dec. 19, 1793, Vice President John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, "my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived."

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Absolutely. Your mailman has more power than the VP.

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

---

remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

---

Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

---

its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

---

And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

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On Dec. 19, 1793, Vice President John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, "my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived."

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Absolutely. Your mailman has more power than the VP.

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so true, you cant fire or impeach the mail man!

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

---

remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

---

Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

---

its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

---

And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

---

On Dec. 19, 1793, Vice President John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, "my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived."

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Absolutely. Your mailman has more power than the VP.

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So by your logic, the dogs which chase the mailman have more power than Kamala Harris.

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

---

remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

---

Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

---

its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

---

And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

---

On Dec. 19, 1793, Vice President John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, "my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived."

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Absolutely. Your mailman has more power than the VP.

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so true, you cant fire or impeach the mail man!

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VP is there to decide the results of the next presidential election...period. That's pretty much all the founders wanted him to do.

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I do not think anyone disputes the president's ability to de-classify a document. I was unclear about a response above on whether the action was retroactive. I use a simple analogy:
1. Bob gets busted for pot in 2015.
2. Bob is convicted and sentenced to 10 years.
3. Pot is legal in 2020.
4. Is Bob automatically freed and record expunged?

I think the question is he can declassify them today but they were classified in 2008 or 2016 when he originally stole them and so anything done before de-classification would be potentially criminal.

---

remember that in Oso and Sam land.. because you argued Trump could do something related to classified documents, Biden can aslo even though the circumstances are not even close to the same.. its the same!

---

Yep, being vice president is "not even close" to being president. It's in the Constitution!

---

its not- the vice president wasnt even considered a strong part of the executive branch for most of this countrys history. The VP office was in the congress complex for much of history. The VP office was so inconsequential we have done without one for several times until the 25th amendment created a pathway for replacement.

Dick Chaney and Joe Biden as VP created more power for that position than any prior VP. Basically, the VP job and power is nothing like POTUS

---

And that's why they refer to the VP as "first in line for a White House internship."

---

On Dec. 19, 1793, Vice President John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, "my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived."

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Absolutely. Your mailman has more power than the VP.

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so true, you cant fire or impeach the mail man!

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VP is there to decide the results of the next presidential election...period. That's pretty much all the founders wanted him to do.

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lol, quit playin

BREAKING: Two sources familiar with the event tell CBS News FBI personnel are at President Biden’s Rehoboth home. One source familiar with the event tell CBS News the search is in relation to the classified documents investigation. w/ @AdrianaDiaz @AndyTriay

— Arden Farhi (@ArdenFarhi) February 1, 2023

The FBI is searching President Biden’s Rehoboth Beach, Delaware home with the consent of Biden’s attorneys.
Comes 12 days after FBI agents searched the Wilmington home.
Search is currently ongoing pic.twitter.com/LbkSU2Bvuv

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) February 1, 2023

I am really, really worried about Biden. The FBI and DOJ are getting ready to come down on him HARD on him! He is going to be given a timeout and probably sent to bed with no ice cream for two nights in a row!

What a joke. The FBI and DOJ have become a dog and pony show,- nothing more. All the while Hunter Biden is laughing his ass off and making bank with foreign countries. The Biden crime family is untouchable, as were the Clintons.

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BornAgain said:

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

---

To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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You posted this on 1/22. Why couldn't Biden declassify the docs he stole as senator and the ones he kept in the garage and at the PennBiden Center? Wouldn't a separation of powers argument carry the day in SCOTUS? If Trump can declassify any doc by mere thought why can't Biden?

POTUS has unchecked declassification authority. He can talk about a memorandum dissemination (highest possible compartmentation) with anyone in the world, to get advice, or encourage cooperation, or to whack a foreign leader about the head with it in negotiations. He could walk out on a stage in front of TV cameras and read a TopSecret intelligence report to the world on the spur of a moment if he thought it was in the interest of the USA. If a POTUS sticks a document in his briefcase and takes it with him to the residence in the WH, or brings it along to read on AF1, or to a motel in a foreign country, or have a conversation about classified information with anyone along the way.....it's all perfectly legal and normal. All classification and declassification authority flows from POTUS. It is POTUS who determines how, when, where, who to delegate class/declas authority. It is virtually impossible for a POTUS to commit what those of us who served in the classified world knew fearfully as "a security violation." That's why they're trying to ring Trump up on violation of technicalities of the PRA......not for taking them or having them, but for not giving them back.

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He has the power under existing XO to declassify them today. And of course he does have the power to write an order of retroactive declassification which would almost certainly force a compliant response from the Executive. I suspect some entity would file suit to stop it, forcing legal review, which would focus initially on what were the rules set forth in the XO in effect at the time of the transgression. Remember, the executive can exercise power until stopped by judicial review.......

Retroactive declass begs the question of for what purpose other than to extricate someone from misuse, in which case a pardon would seem to be a more direct path to remedy. (for which accountability would be left up to the voters.)

But questions like this inevitably rise to appeals courts or SCOTUS. They could rule that his declassification authority is so broad that he could in fact retroactively declassify. But that presumes a chaotic relationship between power and rules that would be inconsistent with our legal traditions. I suspect they would rule he would be bound by the XO in effect at the time of the transgression, and that a pardon would be the proper use of executive power in cases like this.

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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"LOL. No court can encumber POTUS with procedures for declassification. If a POTUS says, 'it is declassified,' that's it. All procedures set forth in XO are for those to whom he has delegated power, not him. He may change the policy at any time, for any reason, in any way, for any length of time."

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A court can most certainly prevent a POTUS from acting in violation of his own executive orders. What they cannot do is write the Executive Orders for him.

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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"LOL. No court can encumber POTUS with procedures for declassification. If a POTUS says, 'it is declassified,' that's it. All procedures set forth in XO are for those to whom he has delegated power, not him. He may change the policy at any time, for any reason, in any way, for any length of time."

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A court can most certainly prevent a POTUS from acting in violation of his own executive orders. What they cannot do is write the Executive Orders for him.

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How could he act in violation of the order if the procedures in the order don't apply to him?

At this point its probably fair to ask..... where is joe NOT hiding classified documents?

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At this point its probably fair to ask..... where is joe NOT hiding classified documents?

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Were they hidden... or were they available for review by interested parties willing to fork over $ for Hunter to launder back to the Big Guy.

FBI has three of their best guys on it right now.

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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"LOL. No court can encumber POTUS with procedures for declassification. If a POTUS says, 'it is declassified,' that's it. All procedures set forth in XO are for those to whom he has delegated power, not him. He may change the policy at any time, for any reason, in any way, for any length of time."

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A court can most certainly prevent a POTUS from acting in violation of his own executive orders. What they cannot do is write the Executive Orders for him.

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How could he act in violation of the order if the procedures in the order don't apply to him?

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The Biden scenario of retroactive declass is quite a separate issue from the MAL scenario re conventions on Presidential handling of classified material, which is that an originating officer may be presumed to have changed procedures if their actions deviate from established order. No court could be expected to rule, for example, that a POTUS should have to interrupt an arms control summit to check & see if disclosure of a particular piece of intelligence to one or more foreign officials or advisors in pursuit of policy would be allowable under an XO he wrote. His actions in pursuit of policy would presume to make or amend that order. That is a fairly uncontentious scenario. As would be a POTUS carrying or keeping a piece of classified material into personal quarters for review. (which is a relevant context for the MAL scenario.)

That is quite a separate thing from fiddling with a prior order to cover unauthorized use of classified material by a person who at the time did NOT have Presidential powers. SCOTUS will hold a high bar for ex post facto statute, so why should we expect anything less on XO? I would suspect they will tell him it is pardon time.

The issue at hand concerns a solely executive power like classification authority, which is quite a separate thing from fiddling with prior order on statutory enforcement issues. Courts have already limited that power. DACA is a recent example. I didn't agree with the ruling but it is law.

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Is it illegal for Hunter to use classified docs in getting multimillion $ deals ? Seems like it to me. But If the sitting President can declassify docs at any time does that excuse his family also? It appears to do that. Any of us would be in jail

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I would be surprised if he could de-classify retroactively ... and he stole documents as a senator and vice president. Not sure we've ever had a more corrupt president. Maybe the Clintons and their "Foundation."

Normally I would suggesting waiting for evidence of specific malfeasance, but one thing has been clear is the willingness of the state and the state media to cover up for the Biden Crime Family.

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He could. It could then be litigated, depending on what the XO did or did not say about retroactive declassification. But it probably wouldn't go anywhere.

The punishment for a POTUS who mishandles classified documents is political, arguably as it should be.

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To clarify ...

1. Biden steals classified documents from time as Senator
2. Hunter and brothers use documents to secure payments / gigs

Can China Joe declassify today and it apply to 2016 so Biden Crime Family is free and clear?

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I feel fairly safe that SCOTUS would reject the argument he could do that.

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"LOL. No court can encumber POTUS with procedures for declassification. If a POTUS says, 'it is declassified,' that's it. All procedures set forth in XO are for those to whom he has delegated power, not him. He may change the policy at any time, for any reason, in any way, for any length of time."

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A court can most certainly prevent a POTUS from acting in violation of his own executive orders. What they cannot do is write the Executive Orders for him.

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How could he act in violation of the order if the procedures in the order don't apply to him?

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The Biden scenario of retroactive declass is quite a separate issue from the MAL scenario re conventions on Presidential handling of classified material, which is that an originating officer may be presumed to have changed procedures if their actions deviate from established order. No court could be expected to rule, for example, that a POTUS should have to interrupt an arms control summit to check & see if disclosure of a particular piece of intelligence to one or more foreign officials or advisors in pursuit of policy would be allowable under an XO he wrote. His actions in pursuit of policy would presume to make or amend that order. That is a fairly uncontentious scenario. As would be a POTUS carrying or keeping a piece of classified material into personal quarters for review. (which is a relevant context for the MAL scenario.)

That is quite a separate thing from fiddling with a prior order to cover unauthorized use of classified material by a person who at the time did NOT have Presidential powers. SCOTUS will hold a high bar for ex post facto statute, so why should we expect anything less on XO? I would suspect they will tell him it is pardon time.

The issue at hand concerns a solely executive power like classification authority, which is quite a separate thing from fiddling with prior order on statutory enforcement issues. Courts have already limited that power. DACA is a recent example. I didn't agree with the ruling but it is law.

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I realize they're separate things, but what does it matter? If the order doesn't apply, it doesn't apply to this, that, or the other.