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Drag is inherently and explicitly sexual, which is my main issue with kids being involved. But the parents of these kids get the blame.
And the drag queens.
I don't know about that. Being ridiculous is sort of the whole point. I guess maybe any adult should know better but obviously not.
HOW IN THE WORLD do you not blame the drag queens?? If you think it's bad enough that parents should be blamed for allowing their children to be exposed to it, then HOW do you NOT blame the ones who are willfully initiating the exposure?? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I swear, you have some of THE stupidest takes on this forum.
You can't blame sexual deviants for all the world's problems, as happy as it would make you. What a great scapegoat for you right-wing zealots. I see why the zealots in the middle east love beheading gays so much.
So, here's your reasoning:
- the overtly sexualized display of drag queens makes them inappropriate for children;
- therefore, parents who expose their children to it are to be blamed;
- however, the drag queens who are directly targeting children for exposure should NOT be blamed, because...
..."you can't blame them for all the world's problems" ????
Like you said, the absolute stupidity on this forum...
Ultimately I hold parents responsible for the events they take their kids to, because I think adults should be free to read stories at libraries. Is personal responsibility not a part of your beliefs?
There have been quite a few intellectually dishonest posters here over the years, and you might be their chairman of the board.
What is dishonest about my argument? I can walk you through the logic behind it if you want me to. Otherwise, show me the dishonesty or just go ahead and shut up, troll.
The dishonest part, in my opinion, is when you attempted to frame the discussion as "adults should be free to read stories at libraries".
It's completely honest, and the root issue, so let's explore it. To me there are 3 parties present. The person in drag, the library sponsoring/allowing this story reading, and the parents taking their children to these story readings.
Assuming it's really just story reading, and not also a drag sermon being presented, what it boils down to is a biological male in traditionally women's clothes/makeup. Most conservatives take issue with this from the getgo, but what is society to do? Should we outlaw males wearing female clothing? To me it's a non-starter, because of my core American value- err on the side of too much freedom, rather than too much government control. So while I think it's weird, and totally don't get it, I also think it's fine for a biological male to wear traditionally female clothing. Period. They can read stories, they can do a drag show, they can walk around the mall, they can go to libraries.
The library I partially take issue with, however in the end if I can't fault the dude in drag, I can't logically fault the library. I do think the library could exercise a little more judgement or discernment. Is there a need to have provocative story readers? They couldn't find story readers that didn't make scandalous national headlines? But ultimately the library did use their own judgement, and decided they wanted this attention.
Now, the parents. Look, kids are going to hear curse words at football games, they are going to see pornographic material on shady websites or their televisions, they are going to be exposed to outright hatred and bigotry at school, and yes they might run into a dude in drag at the library.
No matter your willpower or good intentions, you cannot convince the adults of the world to never curse at football games, not film porn, teach their own kids hatred and bigotry to take to the classroom, or prevent men wearing whatever clothes they want. You can blame all those people for whatever you want, but it's a losing battle to even begin to fight adults doing adult things.
What you can do, is make sure you are rearing your child to discern the true nature of these things, and prevent your child from being excessively exposed to any one of them too young. The last being the operative phrase. It might mean not taking a 5 year old to an NFL game, putting a ridiculous filter on your internet at home, teaching your kids way too early about having to respect all humans regardless of what they look or seem like, or not taking your kid to hear a story from a man in woman's clothes, because that is a box of worms you can't seal back up. I'm all for these things, because ultimately the buck stops right there, at the parent.
Parents are responsible for their kids, totally. I only see 1 problem, and it's young kids being taken to something they are not able to discern and filter for themselves.
In answer, yes, the issue really is kids hearing stories from dudes in drag, at libraries.
Now you've changed the goalposts, though. You said the issue was mere "adults" wanted to read books at the library. This is an admission that your previous framing of the discussion was dishonest.
Please. My issue is with the parents bringing their too young kids. Others have a problem with the adults reading the stories. I do not, as I explained. I never said the only factors were adults stories libraries.
Let me help you out here. The correct answer is: all of the parties share blame.
Blame for what? And can you explain why?
Let's try this again. Ok, baby steps.
Focus.
- You have distinctly stated that you believe
exposing children to drag queens is wrong.
- Therefore, isn't it wrong, then, for drag queens to
willfully and purposely target children to do that very thing which you believe to be wrong, stated above? And wouldn't libraries that host these events
aimed at children also be willfully and purposely doing that very same thing that you believe to be wrong?
Please answer this. This is very, very simple. If it's still too difficult to understand, show this to an adult.