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boognish_bear said:


that is actually an inflection point worth commenting upon.

neverTrumpers focus like a laser on the statement about extreme (implicitly personal) bravery and conclude a character defect in Trump.

Trump voters focus on the next line..."think of that. we've been there 21 years with the finest weapons & soldiers and we STILL have to darken our windows when we fly over....." and conclude that only Trump shares their views about all the money & blood we've wasted on foreign adventure.

very instructive, that......





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boognish_bear said:


another inflection point.....

neverTrumpers hear Trump admiring, even kowtowing to, an adversary who should be loathed, to the point that it suggests Trump himself has authoritarian ambitions.

Trump supporters hear Trump contrasting the obviously strong, healthy Chinese leader and our own senescent President, for the purpose of casting doubts in voters' minds about the ability of Biden to defend our nation against China.
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boognish_bear said:




Spoken like someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
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Guy is brave


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Whiskey Pete
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Spoken like someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
He's getting desperate. Hey, I'm all for cutting down the size of gov't, but about we get rid the actual dead weight and people awful at their job instead of by their social security number?

Wow, what an idiotic thing to say.
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Whiskey Pete said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Spoken like someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
He's getting desperate. Hey, I'm all for cutting down the size of gov't, but about we get rid the actual dead weight and people awful at their job instead of by their social security number?

Wow, what an idiotic thing to say.
There are functions that may not be Federal areas of responsibility or needed anymore. Phase them out, no problem. Use attrition, transfers, buy outs, don't lay people off and leave them scrambling after years of public service. We may not agree that the Govt should be this big, but these people did nothing wrong. 99% of them did their job and followed the rules in place. Just letting them go is the wrong way to handle it.

Same for private sector, you don't lay off workers due to bottomline while the Executives are making 7 figure bonuses.
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Spoken like someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
For every problem there is a simplistic, common sense solution that is wrong
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Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Spoken like someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
For every problem there is a simplistic, common sense solution that is wrong

LOL it's an appeal to primary voters who want exactly that to happen.

Moderate GOP''ers say stuff all the time they don't mean. Why should Vivek be any different?
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whiterock said:





Summary of above poll.

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Des Moines Register tidbit:

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Turnout is typically higher in older demographics….

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Mothra
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boognish_bear said:




A crowd of Trump sycophants going nuts as he enters in arena is "epic"? Huh.

If you say so.
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boognish_bear said:




SMDH. This guy just loves dictators. He sounds envious.
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whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:


that is actually an inflection point worth commenting upon.

neverTrumpers focus like a laser on the statement about extreme (implicitly personal) bravery and conclude a character defect in Trump.

Trump voters focus on the next line..."think of that. we've been there 21 years with the finest weapons & soldiers and we STILL have to darken our windows when we fly over....." and conclude that only Trump shares their views about all the money & blood we've wasted on foreign adventure.

very instructive, that......








Yeah, so I agree the second line was good. How about cut out the first line so you're not so self-aggrandizing and offputting to voters on the fence about you?
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whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:


another inflection point.....

neverTrumpers hear Trump admiring, even kowtowing to, an adversary who should be loathed, to the point that it suggests Trump himself has authoritarian ambitions.

Trump supporters hear Trump contrasting the obviously strong, healthy Chinese leader and our own senescent President, for the purpose of casting doubts in voters' minds about the ability of Biden to defend our nation against China.


Question: should Trump be saying things to market himself to people who are going to vote for him regardless of what he does or says? Or should he be focusing on the person that's on the fence?
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Spoken like someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
For every problem there is a simplistic, common sense solution that is wrong

LOL it's an appeal to primary voters who want exactly that to happen.

Moderate GOP''ers say stuff all the time they don't mean. Why should Vivek be any different?


Because other candidates lie through their teeth in order to get elected it's cool that the Vivek is doing it. That's some remarkable reasoning right there. Love the moral equivalency argument. At least you're honest that integrity doesn't matter to you anymore.
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Trump's crack legal staff cutting their deals

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/13/trump-georgia-case-videos-overturn-2020-election/

Ex-Trump allies detail efforts to overturn election in Georgia plea videos
A former attorney for Donald Trump has told Georgia prosecutors that a top presidential aide said to her in December 2020 that "the boss" did not plan to leave the White House "under any circumstances," according to a video recording obtained by The Washington Post.

Jenna Ellis, a onetime Trump lawyer who pleaded guilty to lesser charges in exchange for her testimony in the Fulton County, Ga., case, told prosecutors in the video that Dan Scavino, Trump's deputy chief of staff at the time, was unfazed by her view that the president was running out of options to challenge Joe Biden's victory.

"And he said to me, you know, in a kind of excited tone, 'Well, we don't care, and we're not going to leave,'" Ellis said in the video.
The description comes from a series of recordings obtained by The Post of the statements of the four defendants who have accepted plea deals in the Georgia case recordings that they were required to make under the terms of their deals and that were intended to lay out what they know that could be used against the other defendants in the case.
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Speaker Johnson had some sense.
Johnson Said in 2015 Trump Was Unfit and Could Be 'Dangerous' as President
Speaker Mike Johnson, then a Republican state lawmaker, posted on social media that Donald J. Trump lacked the character and morality to be president and could be vindictive.

"The thing about Donald Trump is that he lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House," Mike Johnson wrote in 2015.
Years before he played a lead role in trying to help President Donald J. Trump stay in office after the 2020 election or defended him in two separate Senate impeachment trials, Speaker Mike Johnson bluntly asserted that Mr. Trump was unfit to serve and could be a danger as president.
"The thing about Donald Trump is that he lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House," Mr. Johnson wrote in a lengthy post on Facebook on Aug. 7, 2015, before he was elected to Congress and a day after the first Republican primary debate of the campaign cycle.
Challenged in the comments by someone defending Mr. Trump, Mr. Johnson responded: "I am afraid he would break more things than he fixes. He is a hot head by nature, and that is a dangerous trait to have in a Commander in Chief."
Mr. Johnson, then a state lawmaker in Louisiana, also questioned what would happen if "he decided to bomb another head of state merely disrespecting him? I am only halfway kidding about this. I just don't think he has the demeanor to be President."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/us/politics/mike-johnson-donald-trump.html
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Osodecentx said:

Speaker Johnson had some sense.
Johnson Said in 2015 Trump Was Unfit and Could Be 'Dangerous' as President
Speaker Mike Johnson, then a Republican state lawmaker, posted on social media that Donald J. Trump lacked the character and morality to be president and could be vindictive.

"The thing about Donald Trump is that he lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House," Mike Johnson wrote in 2015.
Years before he played a lead role in trying to help President Donald J. Trump stay in office after the 2020 election or defended him in two separate Senate impeachment trials, Speaker Mike Johnson bluntly asserted that Mr. Trump was unfit to serve and could be a danger as president.
"The thing about Donald Trump is that he lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House," Mr. Johnson wrote in a lengthy post on Facebook on Aug. 7, 2015, before he was elected to Congress and a day after the first Republican primary debate of the campaign cycle.
Challenged in the comments by someone defending Mr. Trump, Mr. Johnson responded: "I am afraid he would break more things than he fixes. He is a hot head by nature, and that is a dangerous trait to have in a Commander in Chief."
Mr. Johnson, then a state lawmaker in Louisiana, also questioned what would happen if "he decided to bomb another head of state merely disrespecting him? I am only halfway kidding about this. I just don't think he has the demeanor to be President."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/us/politics/mike-johnson-donald-trump.html


sounds to me like he has wised up since 8 years ago
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muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

Speaker Johnson had some sense.
Johnson Said in 2015 Trump Was Unfit and Could Be 'Dangerous' as President
Speaker Mike Johnson, then a Republican state lawmaker, posted on social media that Donald J. Trump lacked the character and morality to be president and could be vindictive.

"The thing about Donald Trump is that he lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House," Mike Johnson wrote in 2015.
Years before he played a lead role in trying to help President Donald J. Trump stay in office after the 2020 election or defended him in two separate Senate impeachment trials, Speaker Mike Johnson bluntly asserted that Mr. Trump was unfit to serve and could be a danger as president.
"The thing about Donald Trump is that he lacks the character and the moral center we desperately need again in the White House," Mr. Johnson wrote in a lengthy post on Facebook on Aug. 7, 2015, before he was elected to Congress and a day after the first Republican primary debate of the campaign cycle.
Challenged in the comments by someone defending Mr. Trump, Mr. Johnson responded: "I am afraid he would break more things than he fixes. He is a hot head by nature, and that is a dangerous trait to have in a Commander in Chief."
Mr. Johnson, then a state lawmaker in Louisiana, also questioned what would happen if "he decided to bomb another head of state merely disrespecting him? I am only halfway kidding about this. I just don't think he has the demeanor to be President."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/us/politics/mike-johnson-donald-trump.html


sounds to me like he has wised up since 8 years ago
Or caved in
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Biden's woes

https://apple.news/Ac4fMZldWT9G5I3odu544xg
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What could possibly go wrong?

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