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Donald Trump — 64%
A different candidate — 31%
Undecided — 5%
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a Full House in California, not bad..whiterock said:
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Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
OK, you go with that, just ignore the actual people voting in polls.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Your spin in the last paragraph would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. The POS can engage in all of the name calling and mean spirited personal attacks he wants and you'd find a way to spin it into a positive.
He's not winning a general election again. The sooner we move on the better.
I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
Exactly When RDS and others start using bots, I'll praise them for doing so too.
Must. Be. Done.
There's a reason the polling numbers are moving in Trumps favor like they are. Money well spent moves needles. Anybody who doesn't like the way the numbers are moving needs to write RDS a bigger check. He's falling behind.
2024 GOP Primary Polling Trends by Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 7, 2023
Jan 2:
• Trump — 45% (+11)
• DeSantis — 34%
• Pence — 8%
• Haley — 3%
Feb 25:
• Trump — 48% (+18)
• DeSantis — 30%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 6%
MARCH 5:
• Trump — 53% (+25)
• DeSantis — 28%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 4% pic.twitter.com/kUvW3TGsRK
you just cannot be serious about "The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win". You and a couple other of your simpleton , true believers want Trump any where close to another election . You do realize he lost the Presidency, House, and Senate and was impeached twice. Serious question. I'd really like to hear why you think Trump's would be good for the country? Additionally, I'd like to understand your religious affiliation that allows you to support a moral bankrupt, crook. I'm very curious as to why you think Trumps would even be an option to consider.whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
Remember, it's not just the existence of the bots you condone, but it's also the false statements and mean personal attacks you condone.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
Exactly When RDS and others start using bots, I'll praise them for doing so too.
Must. Be. Done.
There's a reason the polling numbers are moving in Trumps favor like they are. Money well spent moves needles. Anybody who doesn't like the way the numbers are moving needs to write RDS a bigger check. He's falling behind.2024 GOP Primary Polling Trends by Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 7, 2023
Jan 2:
• Trump — 45% (+11)
• DeSantis — 34%
• Pence — 8%
• Haley — 3%
Feb 25:
• Trump — 48% (+18)
• DeSantis — 30%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 6%
MARCH 5:
• Trump — 53% (+25)
• DeSantis — 28%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 4% pic.twitter.com/kUvW3TGsRK
And no, that is not necessary, nor should it be condoned, especially when used to attack fellow Republicans.
Remember Reagan's 11th Commandment.
New Hampshire 2024: Trump Holds 41-Point Lead for Republican Nomination
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 8, 2023
• Trump — 58%
• DeSantis — 17%
• Sununu — 7%
• Haley — 6%
• Pence — 4%
• Pompeo — 2%
• T. Scott — 1%
• Norm — 1%@EmersonPolling | 1,025 RV | March 3-5https://t.co/t9k0LQSGuk pic.twitter.com/kzIMmyIOn3
There you go again with yet another regurgitated illogical rant.J.R. said:you just cannot be serious about "The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win". You and a couple other of your simpleton , true believers want Trump any where close to another election . You do realize he lost the Presidency, House, and Senate and was impeached twice. Serious question. I'd really like to hear why you think Trump's would be good for the country? Additionally, I'd like to understand your religious affiliation that allows you to support a moral bankrupt, crook. I'm very curious as to why you think Trumps would even be an option to consider.whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
Trump's policies would be great for the country. I'm sure RDS and other contenders would have similar policies. I'll support those too, if they become the nominee. I'm not he one laying down strident demands about who the nominee has to be. One of the safest bets one can make is that the winner of the primary is the best general election candidate, unless one seriously intends to propose a candidate which finishes 2nd or 3rd with only a quarter-to-a-third support from the GOP is somehow stronger than one who received a majority of the vote within the party.
My statement about Trump building bot capacity on social media is exactly the kind of sober, grounded, objective analysis that so offends your sensibilities. It's a one of the reasons why he's doing EXACTLY what you've been ranting and raving he could never do = opening up a large lead over the primary field and pulling even with BIden. Democrats kicked our teeth in during the last election with bot-operations on social media. We can complain about it, or we can go out do them. Trump is raising money to go compete. Bigly.
You are playing with that stuff that walks.
You say the bots are lying.Mothra said:Remember, it's not just the existence of the bots you condone, but it's also the false statements and mean personal attacks you condone.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
Exactly When RDS and others start using bots, I'll praise them for doing so too.
Must. Be. Done.
There's a reason the polling numbers are moving in Trumps favor like they are. Money well spent moves needles. Anybody who doesn't like the way the numbers are moving needs to write RDS a bigger check. He's falling behind.2024 GOP Primary Polling Trends by Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 7, 2023
Jan 2:
• Trump — 45% (+11)
• DeSantis — 34%
• Pence — 8%
• Haley — 3%
Feb 25:
• Trump — 48% (+18)
• DeSantis — 30%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 6%
MARCH 5:
• Trump — 53% (+25)
• DeSantis — 28%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 4% pic.twitter.com/kUvW3TGsRK
And no, that is not necessary, nor should it be condoned, especially when used to attack fellow Republicans.
Remember Reagan's 11th Commandment.
I don't see it.
Where is it?
Politics is a tough business.
Democrats are going to lie their asses off about us.
Get tougher.
Donald Trump's Recipe for Electoral Failure
The former president portrays any attempt to appeal to voters beyond his core base as a sign of weakness.
Despite his preferred approach to politics having been responsible for grievous Republican losses in the last three national elections, Donald Trump is once again seeking to cast himself as the savior of the American Right. During his chaotic speech at CPAC on Saturday, Trump boasted to the crowd that, until he came along, "the Republican Party was ruled by freaks, neocons, open-border zealots, and fools," before reassuring attendees that, under his continued leadership, the GOP is not at risk of "going back to the party of Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, and Jeb Bush."
This was not an offhand comment. Increasingly, Trump likes to point to Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, Jeb Bush, and even Ronald Reagan as examples of what has historically been wrong with the GOP as well as a warning of what the party will become again if any of the other candidates for the Republican nomination prevail in 2024. In recent months, Trump has begun to fuse these critiques with his attacks on Ron DeSantis, having complained variously that DeSantis is being pushed by "Jeb Bush, Karl Rove, Paul Ryan," that Fox News's coverage of DeSantis "reminds me of 2016 when they were pushing 'JEB!'," and that DeSantis is suspect because "he used to be a Reagan Republican."
As for the deployment of "Reagan Republican" as an insult? Suffice it to say that if that's where we are now, the world is truly upside down.
Now, as back then, a successful Republican nominee will need to appeal to all manner of people if he is to make it into the White House. He'll need to win conservatives, semi-conservatives, moderates, and maybe even a few left-leaning apostates and to do so deliberately, happily, and without regret.
To take Trump's objection to its logical end is to conclude that the broad popularity of certain aspiring politicians represents a problem to be solved rather than the foundation upon which movements are built a ridiculous contention within a democratic republic such as ours. In both 1980 and 1984, Ronald Reagan won a sizeable number of Democrats in his successful bids for the presidency. In 2021, Glenn Youngkin won a majority of independents in Virginia. In 2022, Ron DeSantis won over hundreds of thousands of Florida voters who had not backed him in 2018. Are we really to assume that these achievements represented black marks against those figures? If we are, I'm starting to understand why, despite all the evidence that it isn't working, Trump continues to behave as he does and why, on each of the last three times he has attempted to compete in American elections, he has proven himself to be such a bewildering loser.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/donald-trumps-recipe-for-electoral-failure/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=header&utm_content=popular&utm_term=first
The former president portrays any attempt to appeal to voters beyond his core base as a sign of weakness.
Despite his preferred approach to politics having been responsible for grievous Republican losses in the last three national elections, Donald Trump is once again seeking to cast himself as the savior of the American Right. During his chaotic speech at CPAC on Saturday, Trump boasted to the crowd that, until he came along, "the Republican Party was ruled by freaks, neocons, open-border zealots, and fools," before reassuring attendees that, under his continued leadership, the GOP is not at risk of "going back to the party of Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, and Jeb Bush."
This was not an offhand comment. Increasingly, Trump likes to point to Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, Jeb Bush, and even Ronald Reagan as examples of what has historically been wrong with the GOP as well as a warning of what the party will become again if any of the other candidates for the Republican nomination prevail in 2024. In recent months, Trump has begun to fuse these critiques with his attacks on Ron DeSantis, having complained variously that DeSantis is being pushed by "Jeb Bush, Karl Rove, Paul Ryan," that Fox News's coverage of DeSantis "reminds me of 2016 when they were pushing 'JEB!'," and that DeSantis is suspect because "he used to be a Reagan Republican."
As for the deployment of "Reagan Republican" as an insult? Suffice it to say that if that's where we are now, the world is truly upside down.
Now, as back then, a successful Republican nominee will need to appeal to all manner of people if he is to make it into the White House. He'll need to win conservatives, semi-conservatives, moderates, and maybe even a few left-leaning apostates and to do so deliberately, happily, and without regret.
To take Trump's objection to its logical end is to conclude that the broad popularity of certain aspiring politicians represents a problem to be solved rather than the foundation upon which movements are built a ridiculous contention within a democratic republic such as ours. In both 1980 and 1984, Ronald Reagan won a sizeable number of Democrats in his successful bids for the presidency. In 2021, Glenn Youngkin won a majority of independents in Virginia. In 2022, Ron DeSantis won over hundreds of thousands of Florida voters who had not backed him in 2018. Are we really to assume that these achievements represented black marks against those figures? If we are, I'm starting to understand why, despite all the evidence that it isn't working, Trump continues to behave as he does and why, on each of the last three times he has attempted to compete in American elections, he has proven himself to be such a bewildering loser.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/donald-trumps-recipe-for-electoral-failure/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=header&utm_content=popular&utm_term=first
Ah so it's your position that the mean-spirited personal attacks by Trump, such as suggesting that DeSantis canoodled with underage girls, is the truth? And all mean-spirited personal attacks are fair game?whiterock said:You say the bots are lying.Mothra said:Remember, it's not just the existence of the bots you condone, but it's also the false statements and mean personal attacks you condone.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
Exactly When RDS and others start using bots, I'll praise them for doing so too.
Must. Be. Done.
There's a reason the polling numbers are moving in Trumps favor like they are. Money well spent moves needles. Anybody who doesn't like the way the numbers are moving needs to write RDS a bigger check. He's falling behind.2024 GOP Primary Polling Trends by Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 7, 2023
Jan 2:
• Trump — 45% (+11)
• DeSantis — 34%
• Pence — 8%
• Haley — 3%
Feb 25:
• Trump — 48% (+18)
• DeSantis — 30%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 6%
MARCH 5:
• Trump — 53% (+25)
• DeSantis — 28%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 4% pic.twitter.com/kUvW3TGsRK
And no, that is not necessary, nor should it be condoned, especially when used to attack fellow Republicans.
Remember Reagan's 11th Commandment.
I don't see it.
Where is it?
Politics is a tough business.
Democrats are going to lie their asses off about us.
Get tougher.
Figures.
Politics is tough, made all the tougher when you condone Republicans eating their own. That wasn't really a thing before Trump.
Remember the 11th Commandment.
Mothra said:Ah so it's your position that the mean-spirited personal attacks by Trump, such as suggesting that DeSantis canoodled with underage girls, is the truth? And all mean-spirited personal attacks are fair game?whiterock said:You say the bots are lying.Mothra said:Remember, it's not just the existence of the bots you condone, but it's also the false statements and mean personal attacks you condone.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
Exactly When RDS and others start using bots, I'll praise them for doing so too.
Must. Be. Done.
There's a reason the polling numbers are moving in Trumps favor like they are. Money well spent moves needles. Anybody who doesn't like the way the numbers are moving needs to write RDS a bigger check. He's falling behind.2024 GOP Primary Polling Trends by Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 7, 2023
Jan 2:
• Trump — 45% (+11)
• DeSantis — 34%
• Pence — 8%
• Haley — 3%
Feb 25:
• Trump — 48% (+18)
• DeSantis — 30%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 6%
MARCH 5:
• Trump — 53% (+25)
• DeSantis — 28%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 4% pic.twitter.com/kUvW3TGsRK
And no, that is not necessary, nor should it be condoned, especially when used to attack fellow Republicans.
Remember Reagan's 11th Commandment.
I don't see it.
Where is it?
Politics is a tough business.
Democrats are going to lie their asses off about us.
Get tougher.
Figures.
Politics is tough, made all the tougher when you condone Republicans eating their own. That wasn't really a thing before Trump.
Remember the 11th Commandment.
"Suggesting canoodling" is the best example you have?
Are you perhaps overreacting?
It's certainly not hurting Trump.
Morning Consult: Trump's favorability rating among Republicans near all-time high
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 8, 2023
Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of...?
Trump: 80/19 (net +61)
DeSantis: 66/14 (+52)
Net favorability +/- since Jan 8:
Trump: +14%
DeSantis: -9%https://t.co/dQctcc1IMp pic.twitter.com/48toUZ4a2V
So suggesting someone is a statutory rapist and child molester doesn't move the needle for you? Huh. How big a whopper does Trump need to tell before it moves your needle, if at all? Or are mean-spirited attacks on fellow Republicans, lies and half-truths totally cool with you?whiterock said:Mothra said:Ah so it's your position that the mean-spirited personal attacks by Trump, such as suggesting that DeSantis canoodled with underage girls, is the truth? And all mean-spirited personal attacks are fair game?whiterock said:You say the bots are lying.Mothra said:Remember, it's not just the existence of the bots you condone, but it's also the false statements and mean personal attacks you condone.whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:You misconvey what the bots are doing.Osodecentx said:whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
You praise Trump for using hundreds of thousands of fake bots to attack fellow Republicans
We're in the 21st Century. Long past the days when candidates just flooded the radio and TV time with ads, now there are social media campaigns and yes, bots are used, or do you really believe those random phone calls you used to get telling you how important it was to vote for Obama were all from concerned human voters?
Bots are a tool. Do the world a favor and don't be a tool yourself.
Exactly When RDS and others start using bots, I'll praise them for doing so too.
Must. Be. Done.
There's a reason the polling numbers are moving in Trumps favor like they are. Money well spent moves needles. Anybody who doesn't like the way the numbers are moving needs to write RDS a bigger check. He's falling behind.2024 GOP Primary Polling Trends by Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 7, 2023
Jan 2:
• Trump — 45% (+11)
• DeSantis — 34%
• Pence — 8%
• Haley — 3%
Feb 25:
• Trump — 48% (+18)
• DeSantis — 30%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 6%
MARCH 5:
• Trump — 53% (+25)
• DeSantis — 28%
• Pence — 7%
• Haley — 4% pic.twitter.com/kUvW3TGsRK
And no, that is not necessary, nor should it be condoned, especially when used to attack fellow Republicans.
Remember Reagan's 11th Commandment.
I don't see it.
Where is it?
Politics is a tough business.
Democrats are going to lie their asses off about us.
Get tougher.
Figures.
Politics is tough, made all the tougher when you condone Republicans eating their own. That wasn't really a thing before Trump.
Remember the 11th Commandment.
"Suggesting canoodling" is the best example you have?
Are you perhaps overreacting?
It's certainly not hurting Trump.Morning Consult: Trump's favorability rating among Republicans near all-time high
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 8, 2023
Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of...?
Trump: 80/19 (net +61)
DeSantis: 66/14 (+52)
Net favorability +/- since Jan 8:
Trump: +14%
DeSantis: -9%https://t.co/dQctcc1IMp pic.twitter.com/48toUZ4a2V
If you want another example, how about his attacks on your beloved Ted Cruz during the 2016 campaign. All fair game?
You might need to check your soul. I think you might have sold it.
Mothra, since Whiterock is also a Republican, claiming he 'sold his soul' just for not agreeing with you makes you quite a hypocrite, per your Reagan reference.
Personally, I think Ronald, were he here today, would be unlikely to support Trump but would never insult Trump's supporters.
Personally, I think Ronald, were he here today, would be unlikely to support Trump but would never insult Trump's supporters.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
par for the course. you didn't answer the question as to why you think Trumps would be good for the country? Waiting. How do you square his behavior with your religious beliefs ? Really hard to get my head around. You are surely not the only evangelical types that loves them some Trump. Just don't get you people.whiterock said:There you go again with yet another regurgitated illogical rant.J.R. said:you just cannot be serious about "The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win". You and a couple other of your simpleton , true believers want Trump any where close to another election . You do realize he lost the Presidency, House, and Senate and was impeached twice. Serious question. I'd really like to hear why you think Trump's would be good for the country? Additionally, I'd like to understand your religious affiliation that allows you to support a moral bankrupt, crook. I'm very curious as to why you think Trumps would even be an option to consider.whiterock said:I understand entirely. Don't miss the importance of what was said. Fake accounts, bots....they are a necessary campaign tool to push messaging. They will be there by the millions for Democrats to push ideas and candidates which are wildly outside of the mainstream. We must respond or we will remain at a serious disadvantage.Osodecentx said:The NR article is talking about fake accounts, bots for Trump. They are AstroTurf, not grassroots for Trump.whiterock said:I have pointed that part in bold many times: the self-fulfilling consolation prize. Once one plants the seed for such an idea, it can take on a life of its own, particularly when it is a fairly obvious likely outcome as current polling suggests. Ted Cruz fought it like crazy in his Presidential run....."wouldn't Ted make a great SCOTUS Justice!" Once one sees him that way, it undercuts seeing him as a viable alternative to the front runner.Osodecentx said:
Thousands of U.S.-Based Twitter Bots Boost Trump, Criticize Haley, DeSantis
Thousands of automated bot accounts on Twitter have worked over the last eleven months to boost former president Donald Trump and attack his critics and 2024 competition, according to a new report.
Cyabra, an Israeli tech firm, told the Associated Press it discovered a network of fake accounts that appear to have been created within the U.S. by an unknown entity.
The bots have targeted former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, who is running against Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely seen as Trump's most formidable 2024 opponent despite having not yet joined the race.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter accounts could be involved. The accounts were created in April, October and November 2022, according to the report. Researchers used patterns in an account's profile along with its follower list and posts to identify bots, which usually post "repetitive content about the same topics," according to the report.
"One account will say, 'Biden is trying to take our guns; Trump was the best,' and another will say, 'Jan. 6 was a lie and Trump was innocent,'" Cyabra engineer Jules Gross told the AP. "Those voices are not people. For the sake of democracy I want people to know this is happening."
Researchers said one measure of bot impact is the number of posts about a topic by fake accounts. For an average topic, that number is in the low single digits, but nearly three-fourths of the negative posts about Haley were made by fake accounts, according to the report.
The bots have also focused on seeding the idea that DeSantis would be more fit to serve as Trump's 2024 running mate than as president.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/thousands-of-u-s-based-twitter-bots-boost-trump-criticize-haley-desantis/
now, I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning the nomination than his current polling suggests, but he's still an underdog, and Trump is very wise to saddle RDS with the image as likely VP before the race even gets started.
It is reassuring Trump mounting such a robust effort on Twitter this far out. It will take all that & then some to win the general. Shows he's serious about building a lot of real campaign capability.
Researchers say hundreds of thousands of bots across three different networks of Twitter
The fact that Trump has recognized this and has built the capacity so far ahead of the election should encourage us all that he is serious about doing what is necessary to win. DeSantis will need to do it. Haley will need to do it. Anyone who wants to have a prayer to win will have to do it. Trump's is just waaay ahead on the GOP side. (and that is at least a small reason why he's expanding his lead over the GOP field at the moment.)
We can criticize the use of them all we want, but the wise plans is to make better use of them than Democrats. We have at least one candidate doing that.....
Trump's policies would be great for the country. I'm sure RDS and other contenders would have similar policies. I'll support those too, if they become the nominee. I'm not he one laying down strident demands about who the nominee has to be. One of the safest bets one can make is that the winner of the primary is the best general election candidate, unless one seriously intends to propose a candidate which finishes 2nd or 3rd with only a quarter-to-a-third support from the GOP is somehow stronger than one who received a majority of the vote within the party.
My statement about Trump building bot capacity on social media is exactly the kind of sober, grounded, objective analysis that so offends your sensibilities. It's a one of the reasons why he's doing EXACTLY what you've been ranting and raving he could never do = opening up a large lead over the primary field and pulling even with BIden. Democrats kicked our teeth in during the last election with bot-operations on social media. We can complain about it, or we can go out do them. Trump is raising money to go compete. Bigly.
You are playing with that stuff that walks.
So, calling out a Republican who defends and supports mean-spirited personal attacks on other Republicans is the same thing? With all due respect, that is some shoddy reasoning, to put it nicely.Oldbear83 said:
Mothra, since Whiterock is also a Republican, claiming he 'sold his soul' just for not agreeing with you makes you quite a hypocrite, per your Reagan reference.
Personally, I think Ronald, were he here today, would be unlikely to support Trump but would never insult Trump's supporters.
I suspect you're right about Ronald. Do you think he would defend and support Trump's vile and mean-spirited personal attacks on other Republicans? Or do you think he would just sit silently - saying and doing nothing? Is that the "right" thing to do, in your book?
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Just so I am clear, you believe that if a Republican calls out another Republican for attacking other Republicans, they're just as guilty of "attacking"?Oldbear83 said:
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
Wow. I would respectfully submit you're either being obtuse, or you've completely missed Reagan's point.
How about an answer to my other questions?
Trump eats his own, which is a big, big problem and why he is toxic, amongst other shameful act he perpetrates. You R's have really effed up my old party. Good luck.
How about you lay off the cheap shots, stop calling the 45th POTUS a 'POS'?Mothra said:Just so I am clear, you believe that if a Republican calls out another Republican for attacking other Republicans, they're just as guilty of "attacking"?Oldbear83 said:
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
Wow. I would respectfully submit you're either being obtuse, or you've completely missed Reagan's point.
How about an answer to my other questions?
In short, prove you can discuss this like an adult.
And in advance of the all-too-predictable false claim that I am a Trump supporter, no I am not.
I want to win the White House in 2024, and to do that we need to stop letting the Democrats play us like puppets.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
He is a POS, true and simple. He is a miserable human.Oldbear83 said:How about you lay off the cheap shots, stop calling the 45th POTUS a 'POS'?Mothra said:Just so I am clear, you believe that if a Republican calls out another Republican for attacking other Republicans, they're just as guilty of "attacking"?Oldbear83 said:
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
Wow. I would respectfully submit you're either being obtuse, or you've completely missed Reagan's point.
How about an answer to my other questions?
In short, prove you can discuss this like an adult.
And in advance of the all-too-predictable false claim that I am a Trump supporter, no I am not.
I want to win the White House in 2024, and to do that we need to stop letting the Democrats play us like puppets.
Why are you changing the subject, instead of addressing the substance of my post? Is there a reason you can't answer my questions?Oldbear83 said:How about you lay off the cheap shots, stop calling the 45th POTUS a 'POS'?Mothra said:Just so I am clear, you believe that if a Republican calls out another Republican for attacking other Republicans, they're just as guilty of "attacking"?Oldbear83 said:
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
Wow. I would respectfully submit you're either being obtuse, or you've completely missed Reagan's point.
How about an answer to my other questions?
In short, prove you can discuss this like an adult.
And in advance of the all-too-predictable false claim that I am a Trump supporter, no I am not.
I want to win the White House in 2024, and to do that we need to stop letting the Democrats play us like puppets.
And just so I am clear once more, you have a problem when I refer to Trump as a POS on an internet message board, but are ok with Trump's boorish and mean-spirited insults on another Republican in the media?
And you call me a hypocrite. LOL.
If that were true, why were his policies so good?J.R. said:He is a POS, true and simple. He is a miserable human.Oldbear83 said:How about you lay off the cheap shots, stop calling the 45th POTUS a 'POS'?Mothra said:Just so I am clear, you believe that if a Republican calls out another Republican for attacking other Republicans, they're just as guilty of "attacking"?Oldbear83 said:
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
Wow. I would respectfully submit you're either being obtuse, or you've completely missed Reagan's point.
How about an answer to my other questions?
In short, prove you can discuss this like an adult.
And in advance of the all-too-predictable false claim that I am a Trump supporter, no I am not.
I want to win the White House in 2024, and to do that we need to stop letting the Democrats play us like puppets.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I called you on your own standard. That's on-topic.Mothra said:Why are you changing the subject, instead of addressing the substance of my post? Is there a reason you can't answer my questions?Oldbear83 said:How about you lay off the cheap shots, stop calling the 45th POTUS a 'POS'?Mothra said:Just so I am clear, you believe that if a Republican calls out another Republican for attacking other Republicans, they're just as guilty of "attacking"?Oldbear83 said:
You are attacking a Republican, phrase it however you like. By your own rule, you are out of bounds.
Wow. I would respectfully submit you're either being obtuse, or you've completely missed Reagan's point.
How about an answer to my other questions?
In short, prove you can discuss this like an adult.
And in advance of the all-too-predictable false claim that I am a Trump supporter, no I am not.
I want to win the White House in 2024, and to do that we need to stop letting the Democrats play us like puppets.
And just so I am clear once more, you have a problem when I refer to Trump as a POS on an internet message board, but are ok with Trump's boorish and mean-spirited insults on another Republican in the media?
And you call me a hypocrite. LOL.
And as for Trump, even though I don't plan on voting for him, I reserve 'POS" for people who have done real harm to innocents, like the son of the current Resident of the White House.
But you keep on showing your level of class. It's quite telling.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
There will be no prison. Fine, loss of voting/election rights, or suspended sentence. He may not go to prison, but the point is to not allow him anywhere near a seat of power.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Actually Sam, I mostly agree with you here. Except for the prison part. If the DOJ sends Trump to prison, Joe Biden should be euthanized for treason. This double standard crap has to stop.Sam Lowry said:Very unfair to assume he would only do it out of arrogance and spite. You're completely overlooking greed (the chance to bleed more money from his followers) and desperation (the hope it will keep him out of prison a while longer).RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Ross Perot 2.0BornAgain said:
would trump go Independent without Republican nomination?
Would have the same result and give Dems the White House. Trump just may do it out of arrogance and spite.