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In reply to KaiBear • 10:33p, 5/2/23
KaiBear said:
Trump can not win the 2024 general election .

It's a topic that should be obvious to anyone .

It's a topic that deserves no further discussion.
It's an assumption.

It's not necessarily a fact.

I don't want another term of Trump, but if you want someone else, you'd better get him running soon.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 5:30a, 5/3/23
Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear said:
Trump can not win the 2024 general election .

It's a topic that should be obvious to anyone .

It's a topic that deserves no further discussion.
It's an assumption.

It's not necessarily a fact.

I don't want another term of Trump, but if you want someone else, you'd better get him running soon.
This......

Again, those who insist Trump cannot win confidently (if implicitly) assume that Biden's numbers are static.
Not. So.

RDS's primary numbers will improve when he formally enters. But his general numbers will likely suffer, as he will start taking more fire from the left and his positives decline.

We have to wait until fall to get a better read on general election numbers. Too soon. We will likely be in recession then and the whole GOP field could be outpolling Biden.
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7:04a, 5/3/23
……aaaand…..
(rather sooner than I expected)

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7:02a, 5/7/23
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/07/president-biden-post-abc-poll/

if paywall obscures, poll results are here:

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7:44a, 5/7/23
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
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"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
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8:31a, 5/7/23
Any poll with an MOE of 6 percent is a sh**ty poll.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 9:18a, 5/7/23
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.

another readout of the numbers from the poll:

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9:19a, 5/7/23
Yes, I follow neverTrumpers.


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9:27a, 5/7/23
Hey, Oso. You're getting off narrative with your neverTrumper buddies.


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In reply to whiterock • 9:36a, 5/7/23
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Deion isn't running. He just got the Colorado job.
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 11:17a, 5/7/23
4th and Inches said:
Any poll with an MOE of 6 percent is a sh**ty poll.
The election is more than a year away. By definition, you should be wary of any poll right now.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 1:42p, 5/7/23
Oldbear83 said:
4th and Inches said:
Any poll with an MOE of 6 percent is a sh**ty poll.
The election is more than a year away. By definition, you should be wary of any poll right now.

All true, including the ones that show Trump unelectable.

That said. The ABC/WAPO poll has Trump up by 7, outside the margin of error. So it does, at minimum show that Trump's momentum in the primary is starting to translate to the general, and is moving in the direction of other polls which show similar dynamics.

And then there's this one no one else is polling but I suspect will start doing over time. It is just so obvious.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/better_together_trump_desantis_ticket_would_beat_biden_harris
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In reply to whiterock • 1:51p, 5/7/23
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: "In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie? Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 1:56p, 5/7/23
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.
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nate silver is a hack and is also 100% on this
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In reply to whiterock • 5:55p, 5/7/23
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers
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In reply to Osodecentx • 5:58p, 5/7/23
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers
FYI, leaners arent drunk people.. although that may actually be true.
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4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers
FYI, leaners arent drunk people.. although that may actually be true.


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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:12p, 5/7/23
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
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whiterock said:
nate silver is a hack and is also 100% on this


He is not a hack at all. Look at his track record. He's one of the best political statisticians ever. And have you followed him much lately? Many on the left have turned on him and think he's a closet conservative.
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whiterock said:
nate silver is a hack and is also 100% on this
Just a reminder that 2016 was a hard miss for a lot of pollsters:

https://www.wizbangblog.com/2016/11/10/pollsters-ignored-their-check-assumptions-lights/
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In reply to whiterock • 6:22p, 5/7/23
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:42p, 5/7/23
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
Facts trigger the TDS crowd ...
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Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?
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In reply to whiterock • 6:55a, 5/8/23
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:59a, 5/8/23
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?
Because you are a better person than Trump? Its a pretty low bar, you can clear it..
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 7:10a, 5/8/23
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?
Because you are a better person than Trump? Its a pretty low bar, you can clear it..
The WaPo poll was very good for Trump. Why did he lie about something that was good when the truth would have served him as well?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:11a, 5/8/23
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?
Because you are a better person than Trump? Its a pretty low bar, you can clear it..
The WePo poll was very good for Trump. Why did he lie about something that was good when the truth would have served whims well?
who is he?
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In reply to 4th and Inches • 7:20a, 5/8/23
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?
Because you are a better person than Trump? Its a pretty low bar, you can clear it..
The WePo poll was very good for Trump. Why did he lie about something that was good when the truth would have served whims well?
who is he?
A site called Freedom. It is the Trump organization's Twitter site, the one white rock linked that had false numbers
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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:28a, 5/8/23
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?
Because you are a better person than Trump? Its a pretty low bar, you can clear it..
The WePo poll was very good for Trump. Why did he lie about something that was good when the truth would have served whims well?
who is he?
A site called Freedom. It is the Trump organization's Twitter site, the one white rock linked that had false numbers
false numbers? Maybe not properly explained numbers.. but since those numbers actually appear that way in the poll, they arent false.

Its selective and misleading but still accurate poll numbers. Marketing always use the best results, caveat empor
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nate silver is a hack and is also 100% on this
Just a reminder that 2016 was a hard miss for a lot of pollsters:

https://www.wizbangblog.com/2016/11/10/pollsters-ignored-their-check-assumptions-lights/

And 2022
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In reply to Osodecentx • 9:37a, 5/8/23
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
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Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Readers need to know that whiterock's post above is deceptive. The WaPo poll does not say Trump will be the next president. Whiterock is an 'Always Trumper All the Time'. He is part of the Republican establishment and served on the board of directors of the Texas Republican Party.
He cherry picks polls for information favorable to Trump and publishes here trying to create a sense of inevitability for Trump.
The poll he quotes says Trump leads in the suburbs by 45-34. That is wrong, probably intentional. This is what the poll actually says: "Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

The WaPo poll also says that DeSantis would beat Biden 42-37 and DeSantis hasn't even announced. If DeSantis announces he will get a bump. Independents will decide this race and the majority of them believe Trump is a criminal

Below are the real results of the WaPo poll:
.
"If DeSantis were the Republican nominee, 42 percent today say they would definitely or probably vote for the Florida governor, as 37 percent would back Biden and 21 percent are undecided or chose another option."

Note Trump's problem with Independents.
"Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden, and nearly a quarter say they are either undecided, would vote for neither or would not vote at all."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Trump's lead in the suburbs is within the margin of error.
"In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error."

Most Americans think Trump is a criminal.
"The poll finds a 56 percent majority of Americans saying he should face criminal charges in investigations of his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. Similarly, 54 percent support charges against Trump for his role in the events leading up to the storming of the Capitol in January 2021 and, separately, for his handling of classified documents after he left office."
" ...a clear majority of independents support criminal charges for Trump on each of these issues."

Biden is a very flawed candidate presiding over a failed presidency. His only hope is that Republicans take whiterocck's advice and nominate Trump. Surely the United States of America can do better than these two.
No so, Herr Oso. I posted a link to a full WAPO poll, which is being widely discussed today due to its results showing Trump beating Biden. I then made a second post linking to a Twitter post with some of the key takeaways from the poll and said: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here." (because WAPO article usually are paywalled.)

You flatly lie, then pretend to be fact checking. Typical neverTrumper dishonesty.

You should be asking yourself "how could this be?" 4th game you one potential explanation. It is reasonable, but there are others which are more compelling. The most compelling explanation? Voters are going to conclude the bloody frickin' obvious: whatever can be said about Trump, Biden is worse.
Let's see who is lying.
You post the link to WaPo and then say: "if paywall obscures, poll results are here:"
Then you link to a Trump organization which gives wrong numbers (results that weren't in the WaPo poll, i.e. lies).

For example, your link says Trump is winning the suburbs by 45 to 34 over Biden. WaPo reports the number is 45-39. WaPo's exact quote is: In the new Post-ABC poll, Trump slightly leads Biden among suburbanites, with Trump at 45 percent and Biden at 39 percent, a difference that is within the poll's margin of error." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads among Independents 42-29. within the margin of error. WaPo poll says 42-34, within the margin of error. Here's the exact quote: "Among independents, 42 percent say they would definitely or probably back Trump, 34 percent say they are for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

How about another lie. Your link to the Trump organization says Trump leads overall by 45-37. The WaPo poll says the real number is 44-37. Here is the exact quote: "When asked who they would support in 2024, 44 percent of voting-age adults say they would "definitely" or "probably" vote for Trump while 38 percent would definitely or probably vote for Biden." So, who is lying? The Trump organization and you.

Your "helpful summary" of WaPo ends with: "Trump is going to be the next president of the United States of America." Of course, that was not in the WaPo article, another lie.

I invite people to go to the site you link. You will find it is the Trump organization's presence on Twitter. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that it, too, lies.
Here is the link you posted: https://twitter.com/PU28453638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1655072905330401280%7Ctwgr%5E34b442db4869f6fac6dd2db0c29d7ac98cf56be0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsicem365.com%2Fforums

You accuse me of being a "Never Trumper", a label I embrace. If you look at my old posts, I have self-identified as a Never Trumper & I stated my reasons.
You, on the other hand, are an "Always Trumper", but you come on here posing as an informed, disinterested expert. Then you re-publish Trump's lies like the Freedom site.

So who is lying?

In addition to not materially changing the outcome, you're off by the learners. See other links. Which all show the same picture.

My advice: It's a bad day for your narrative. Take the lump and move on. Maybe tomorrow will be a better one.


Doubling down on the Trump fake numbers

you're arguing about how wide is the margin of loss after misreading a poll and then making allegations that others are lying. neverTrumpist nonsense in parade. And it's just one poll. 18 months out.m from the election.

It's almost like you have a narrative to defend. LOL……
The narrative is you misled people by linking to a Trump organization site with false numbers. when given a chance to correct, you started calling "liar", when in fact it was you and Trump.

You posted false numbers. You defend your false numbers.


You're an Always Trumper, probably hoping for your reward if the Dear Leader gets reelected.
The poll is the poll, OSO. If you read it, you didn't understand it well. And nothing you've posted changes the outcome of it.

I will support the person who receives the GOP nomination. Will you take that pledge with me, or continue to make your own ego more important than saving the country from 4 more years of destructive Democrat policies?


Trump won't pledge to support the Republican nominee. Why should I?

So you hate him, ergo you act like him?
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