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Hunter all the way
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boognish_bear said:


Are they on a volcano or something?

Are they in battle against Anakin?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Oldbear83 said:

boognish_bear said:


Are they on a volcano or something?

Are they in battle against Anakin?


Apparently the heat does wonders for bone spurs
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The GOP has a diverse field but GOP voters are too racist to celebrate that.

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Jack Bauer said:

The GOP has a diverse field but GOP voters are too racist to celebrate that.


GOP is the most politically diverse party..

Oh, they mean diverse by race and sex, useless stat..

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex construction crew!

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex hospital OR staff!

Not looking for the best black presidential canidate or the best hispanic presidential canidate or the best asian presidential canidate.. just the best presidential canidate
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4th and Inches said:

Jack Bauer said:

The GOP has a diverse field but GOP voters are too racist to celebrate that.


GOP is the most politically diverse party..

Oh, they mean diverse by race and sex, useless stat..

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex construction crew!

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex hospital OR staff!

Not looking for the best black presidential canidate or the best hispanic presidential canidate or the best asian presidential canidate.. just the best presidential canidate

LEFT: The GOP needs to be more diverse, you are all racist.

GOP becomes more diverse

LEFT: You are all racist.



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Jack Bauer said:

4th and Inches said:

Jack Bauer said:

The GOP has a diverse field but GOP voters are too racist to celebrate that.


GOP is the most politically diverse party..

Oh, they mean diverse by race and sex, useless stat..

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex construction crew!

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex hospital OR staff!

Not looking for the best black presidential canidate or the best hispanic presidential canidate or the best asian presidential canidate.. just the best presidential canidate

LEFT: The GOP needs to be more diverse, you are all racist.

GOP becomes more diverse

LEFT: You are all racist.




listen to Ramaswamy's message.. he makes sense and his poll numbers are climbing.

No disrespect to Scott, I like him.

Would be happy with Ramaswamy, Scott, Desantis, or Christie.. as of right now
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4th and Inches said:

Jack Bauer said:

4th and Inches said:

Jack Bauer said:

The GOP has a diverse field but GOP voters are too racist to celebrate that.


GOP is the most politically diverse party..

Oh, they mean diverse by race and sex, useless stat..

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex construction crew!

Hey, check out my very diverse by race and sex hospital OR staff!

Not looking for the best black presidential canidate or the best hispanic presidential canidate or the best asian presidential canidate.. just the best presidential canidate

LEFT: The GOP needs to be more diverse, you are all racist.

GOP becomes more diverse

LEFT: You are all racist.




listen to Ramaswamy's message.. he makes sense and his poll numbers are climbing.

No disrespect to Scott, I like him.

Would be happy with Ramaswamy, Scott, Desantis, or Christie.. as of right now
I'm with you 75% of the way. Can't do Fat *******, though. He's worse than Orange *******.
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boognish_bear said:


Noonan in the WSJ:
Chris Christie could easily defeat Joe Biden. So could several of the GOP candidates now in the field. Donald Trump wouldn't, for one big reason: His special superpower is that he is the only Republican who will unite and rally the Democratic base and drive independents away. He keeps the Biden coalition together.
A sad thing is that many bright Trump supporters sense this, and the case against him, but can't concede it and break from him, in some cases because they fear him and his friends. They don't want to be a target, they don't want to be outside the in-group, they want to be safely inside. They curry favor.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/may-trump-soon-reach-his-waterloo-race-election-president-2024-candidate-campaign-97310a7f
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GOP Debate - Milwaukee, WI - August 23

To qualify:
  • Either hit 1% in three qualifying national polls or two national polls and one qualifying early-state poll.
  • Raise money from at least 40,000 unique donors, with at least 200 donors in at least 20 states or territories.

Locks:
Trump, DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy

Likely:
Pence

Maybe:
Christie, Doug Burgum

Could miss out:
Hutchinson, Suarez, Elder, Hurd
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Jack Bauer said:

GOP Debate - Milwaukee, WI - August 23

To qualify:
  • Either hit 1% in three qualifying national polls or two national polls and one qualifying early-state poll.
  • Raise money from at least 40,000 unique donors, with at least 200 donors in at least 20 states or territories.

Locks:
Trump, DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy


These are the only ones that matter as of right now
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sombear said:


so odd to see such arguments repeatedly being offered after it is clear the primary electorate has rejected the case that Trump is kryptonite.

Reynolds not only won in spite of Trump's endorsement, IA has turned from purple to soft red during the Trump era. (facts which run counter to establishment narratives). Same for FL and VA.....

Oz, et al, were a mixed bag. some were better than others. Some would have won their primaries anyway. In at least two cases, fractured party infighting was the difference maker. In at least two cases, there indeed were election irregularities that easily covered the margin of loss. Not trying to waive off the whole list, just point out it's hardly a dispositive argument.

And yes, Roe was a factor in losing the Senate. It did help turnout of a few low-propensity blue demographics.

We have a narrowly divided electorate. And the white knight (RDS) of the non-Trump crusade is floundering in the primary and most polls still show him only 1-2 points ahead of Trump in the general. In such a situation, it's hard to make a case that one candidate clearly outclasses the other.....at this point in time.

I think the GOP primary electorate is showing common sense. The standard bearer ain't perfect, but he's better than his critics allow so stand your ground with him until someone makes a strong case for an alternative. Right now, the case for an alternative has not been made. And I can say this as someone who really likes RDS and thought until just here recently that he was the future of the party.

meanwhile, Youngkin stirs. If he is able to turn out a good showing in VA elections this fall, he might jump in the race.
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whiterock said:

sombear said:


so odd to see such arguments repeatedly being offered after it is clear the primary electorate has rejected the case that Trump is kryptonite.

Reynolds not only won in spite of Trump's endorsement, IA has turned from purple to soft red during the Trump era. (facts which run counter to establishment narratives). Same for FL and VA.....

Oz, et al, were a mixed bag. some were better than others. Some would have won their primaries anyway. In at least two cases, fractured party infighting was the difference maker. In at least two cases, there indeed were election irregularities that easily covered the margin of loss. Not trying to waive off the whole list, just point out it's hardly a dispositive argument.

And yes, Roe was a factor in losing the Senate. It did help turnout of a few low-propensity blue demographics.

We have a narrowly divided electorate. And the white knight (RDS) of the non-Trump crusade is floundering in the primary and most polls still show him only 1-2 points ahead of Trump in the general. In such a situation, it's hard to make a case that one candidate clearly outclasses the other.....at this point in time.

I think the GOP primary electorate is showing common sense. The standard bearer ain't perfect, but he's better than his critics allow so stand your ground with him until someone makes a strong case for an alternative. Right now, the case for an alternative has not been made. And I can say this as someone who really likes RDS and thought until just here recently that he was the future of the party.

meanwhile, Youngkin stirs. If he is able to turn out a good showing in VA elections this fall, he might jump in the race.
Wait . . . b/c Trump is way ahead, we can't point out inconsistencies or weaknesses? You sound like Trump: Fine to lie about everyone else, but anything negative about him is not only disloyal but un-American . . . .

And I disagree primary voters have spoken on that issue. They support Trump while also saying others would be better in the general.

I also disagree with your take on polling. Others are consistently polling better in the battleground states, and that is unprecedented for candidates with comparatively less name ID, exposure, etc.

Trump hand-picked bad candidates, period. It happens.

Something major will have to happen for Trump to lose the primary, but it is far from over.
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sombear said:

whiterock said:

sombear said:


so odd to see such arguments repeatedly being offered after it is clear the primary electorate has rejected the case that Trump is kryptonite.

Reynolds not only won in spite of Trump's endorsement, IA has turned from purple to soft red during the Trump era. (facts which run counter to establishment narratives). Same for FL and VA.....

Oz, et al, were a mixed bag. some were better than others. Some would have won their primaries anyway. In at least two cases, fractured party infighting was the difference maker. In at least two cases, there indeed were election irregularities that easily covered the margin of loss. Not trying to waive off the whole list, just point out it's hardly a dispositive argument.

And yes, Roe was a factor in losing the Senate. It did help turnout of a few low-propensity blue demographics.

We have a narrowly divided electorate. And the white knight (RDS) of the non-Trump crusade is floundering in the primary and most polls still show him only 1-2 points ahead of Trump in the general. In such a situation, it's hard to make a case that one candidate clearly outclasses the other.....at this point in time.

I think the GOP primary electorate is showing common sense. The standard bearer ain't perfect, but he's better than his critics allow so stand your ground with him until someone makes a strong case for an alternative. Right now, the case for an alternative has not been made. And I can say this as someone who really likes RDS and thought until just here recently that he was the future of the party.

meanwhile, Youngkin stirs. If he is able to turn out a good showing in VA elections this fall, he might jump in the race.
Wait . . . b/c Trump is way ahead, we can't point out inconsistencies or weaknesses? You sound like Trump: Fine to lie about everyone else, but anything negative about him is not only disloyal but un-American . . . .

And I disagree primary voters have spoken on that issue. They support Trump while also saying others would be better in the general.

I also disagree with your take on polling. Others are consistently polling better in the battleground states, and that is unprecedented for candidates with comparatively less name ID, exposure, etc.

Trump hand-picked bad candidates, period. It happens.

Something major will have to happen for Trump to lose the primary, but it is far from over.
Trump handpicked some bad candidates. He also hand picked some very good ones.

I told you 8 months ago the electability argument was a loser. That's exactly what it has proven to be. at some point, that could change, but unless the polling numbers change substantially, probably not.

It's not like I'm happy that RDS has done so badly. I like RDS. He, I hope, is the future of the party. But I did warn that stepping up from statewide to national was a huge leap that many promising candidates fail to make. If he doesn't improve, he won't make the ticket. (yes, I know, I know... he won't accept it...yada yada yada..... but he probably will, if offered.)




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whiterock said:


If it is Trump v Biden, I'll be voting No Labels.

It appears my vote would help reelect Trump. Oh well ...
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:


If it is Trump v Biden, I'll be voting No Labels.

It appears my vote would help reelect Trump. Oh well ...

The irony of the vanity…..
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:


If it is Trump v Biden, I'll be voting No Labels.

It appears my vote would help reelect Trump. Oh well ...

The irony of the vanity…..

A prisoner of conscience. I cannot do otherwise.

Never Trump
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Oso, you mis-spelled 'spite' as 'conscience' again.
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Oldbear83 said:

Oso, you mis-spelled 'spite' as 'conscience' again.
run-on word. He meant to type "con science."
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