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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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The media is destroying America. When people like Trump and Musk can dominate thought, we are in trouble.

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Musk is not dominating anything...he bought a planform that was supposed to be about free speech (but that actually engaged in massive censorship) and opened it back up to free speech.

He is not "dominating" anything unless the view is that letting free speech take place is somehow wrong.

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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The media is destroying America. When people like Trump and Musk can dominate thought, we are in trouble.

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Musk is not dominating anything...he bought a planform that was supposed to be about free speech (but that actually engaged in massive censorship) and opened it back up to free speech.

He is not "dominating" anything unless the view is that letting free speech take place is somehow wrong.

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Why are we on the path to electric vehicles? Why did electric win over hydrogen cell? Musk, lobbying and the media. Tesla was going under until the Govt chose a winner - electric. Now Tesla is booming. Look at SpaceX, same story. He used the media and connections to get his companies funded. Musk is a technically proficient Steve Jobs... I do give Musk credit for one thing, he does deliver. I tip my cap to him on that.

JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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He's just trolling Rob Desanctus and i guess he's also trolling you.

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Ron Desanctus? LOL at you Trumpists. I am sure his trolling is red meat to you bumpkins. Y'all are dumb as *****

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You seem to have a lot of hate and rage that you need work on. Maybe seek help so that you can prepare yourself to vote Trump ijn 24.

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I suppose the irony of complaining someone is filled with hate and rage when you're a sycophant of one of the most hateful and vengeful presidential candidates of all time is lost on a bumpkin such as yourself.

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JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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I don’t think we give Liz Cheney enough credit for single-handedly destroying the Cheney political dynasty.

It may be the only good thing she’s ever done, but it’s a biggie, and we owe her a thank you. https://t.co/ZqOyOsG472

— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) December 5, 2023

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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The media is destroying America. When people like Trump and Musk can dominate thought, we are in trouble.

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Musk is not dominating anything...he bought a planform that was supposed to be about free speech (but that actually engaged in massive censorship) and opened it back up to free speech.

He is not "dominating" anything unless the view is that letting free speech take place is somehow wrong.

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exactly. He spent billions of his own wealth to defend free speech. The idea that he is some dominating thought by virtue of removing the liberal bias filters from Twitter is.....well, it's pathologically twisted.

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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He's just trolling Rob Desanctus and i guess he's also trolling you.

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Ron Desanctus? LOL at you Trumpists. I am sure his trolling is red meat to you bumpkins. Y'all are dumb as *****

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You seem to have a lot of hate and rage that you need work on. Maybe seek help so that you can prepare yourself to vote Trump ijn 24.

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Yep. The jab about FSU/RDS was good politics = associating one's opponent with a notable failure theoretically within that opponents area of responsibility.

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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He's just trolling Rob Desanctus and i guess he's also trolling you.

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Ron Desanctus? LOL at you Trumpists. I am sure his trolling is red meat to you bumpkins. Y'all are dumb as *****

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You seem to have a lot of hate and rage that you need work on. Maybe seek help so that you can prepare yourself to vote Trump ijn 24.

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Yep. The jab about FSU/RDS was good politics = associating one's opponent with a notable failure theoretically within that opponents area of responsibility.

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Let's be honest - you're such a partisan hack that Trump could take a dump in the middle of the street, and you'd find a way to spin it as good for him politically.

I realize being a liar and complete and total ******* is now the norm in our party, but one can still lament it instead of embracing it, as you have done.

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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He's just trolling Rob Desanctus and i guess he's also trolling you.

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Ron Desanctus? LOL at you Trumpists. I am sure his trolling is red meat to you bumpkins. Y'all are dumb as *****

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You seem to have a lot of hate and rage that you need work on. Maybe seek help so that you can prepare yourself to vote Trump ijn 24.

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Yep. The jab about FSU/RDS was good politics = associating one's opponent with a notable failure theoretically within that opponents area of responsibility.

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Let's be honest - you're such a partisan hack that Trump could take a dump in the middle of the street, and you'd find a way to spin it as good for him politically.

I realize being a liar and complete and total ******* is now the norm in our party, but one can still lament it instead of embracing it, as you have done.

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You don't need more proof, but ...

HANNITY: "We almost have to go to a break. I want to go back to this one issue, though, because the media has been focused on this and attacking you. Under no circumstances, you are promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?"
TRUMP: "Except for day one."
HANNITY: "Except for "
TRUMP: "He's going crazy. Except for day one."
HANNITY: "Meaning?"
TRUMP: "I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill."
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=450525

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The former president has some thoughts on Florida State... pic.twitter.com/xjdF0YzQ0W

— Elizabeth Crisp 🦩 (@elizabethcrisp) December 4, 2023

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He is such a ****ing idiot.

Can't believe our choices this election cycle. Might be the worst in American history.

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He's just trolling Rob Desanctus and i guess he's also trolling you.

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Ron Desanctus? LOL at you Trumpists. I am sure his trolling is red meat to you bumpkins. Y'all are dumb as *****

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You seem to have a lot of hate and rage that you need work on. Maybe seek help so that you can prepare yourself to vote Trump ijn 24.

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I suppose the irony of complaining someone is filled with hate and rage when you're a sycophant of one of the most hateful and vengeful presidential candidates of all time is lost on a bumpkin such as yourself.

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Speaking of hate and age

A New Trump Administration Will 'Come After' the Media, Says Kash Patel
Donald Trump, who has already promised to use the Justice Department to "go after" his political adversaries, is expected to install Mr. Patel in a senior role if he returns to power.

A confidant of Donald J. Trump who is likely to serve in a senior national security role in any new Trump administration threatened on Tuesday to target journalists for prosecution if the former president regains the White House.
The confidant, Kash Patel, who served as Mr. Trump's counterterrorism adviser on the National Security Council and also as chief of staff to the acting secretary of defense, made the remarks on a podcast hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump's former strategist, during a discussion about a potential second Trump presidency beginning in 2025.
"We will go out and find the conspirators, not just in government but in the media," Mr. Patel said. "Yes, we're going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections we're going to come after you. Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out." He added: "We're actually going to use the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes they said we have always been guilty of but never have."
Earlier in the interview, when asked by Mr. Bannon whether a new administration would "deliver the goods" to "get rolling on prosecutions" early in a second term, Mr. Patel noted that the Trump team had a "bench" of "all-America patriots," but he said he did not want to name any names "so the radical left-wing media can terrorize them."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/us/politics/trump-kash-patel-journalists.html

What's fascinating about the current Trump vs. Biden polling is that Biden actually isn't dropping -- Trump is picking up undecided votes. Biden has been stagnant in the polls for months, and his polling now is near prior highs. But Trump is regularly breaking his supposed… pic.twitter.com/Wpy3bJ2gVr

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) December 6, 2023

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JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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Interesting. Wonder what impact she will have on the Independents.

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JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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Interesting. Wonder what impact she will have on the Independents.

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most of those that vote for her were not going to vote for Trump anyways.. i dont see her hurting Trump all that much, she doesnt have sway with his base.

Polling would be interesting to see

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JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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Interesting. Wonder what impact she will have on the Independents.

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most of those that vote for her were not going to vote for Trump anyways.. i dont see her hurting Trump all that much, she doesnt have sway with his base.

Polling would be interesting to see

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Yeah, gonna play out with Trump winning the Nomination. His base bein the ceiling and we are going to get 4 more years of this crap...

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JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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Interesting. Wonder what impact she will have on the Independents.

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most of those that vote for her were not going to vote for Trump anyways.. i dont see her hurting Trump all that much, she doesnt have sway with his base.

Polling would be interesting to see

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Yeah, gonna play out with Trump winning the Nomination. His base bein the ceiling and we are going to get 4 more years of this crap...

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except in polling, his ceiling keeps raising. Yes i know, polling isnt voting

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JUST IN - Liz Cheney is considering a third-party presidential bid "to stop Trump from winning" in 2024 — Axios pic.twitter.com/6oNGE3AncR

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 5, 2023

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Interesting. Wonder what impact she will have on the Independents.

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most of those that vote for her were not going to vote for Trump anyways.. i dont see her hurting Trump all that much, she doesnt have sway with his base.

Polling would be interesting to see

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Yeah, gonna play out with Trump winning the Nomination. His base bein the ceiling and we are going to get 4 more years of this crap...

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except in polling, his ceiling keeps raising. Yes i know, polling isnt voting

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We will see...

Biden says there are "50" Democrats who can beat Trump. Can't name a single one. pic.twitter.com/7pq1etzMyg

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) December 6, 2023

I think many men will recognize this look on a woman's face, from when they were younger. The games we all play.

Every so often, they will start to smile when they don't want to because they see they have been CAUGHT. A Classic. https://t.co/dKQ8aWKfuO pic.twitter.com/Sj7ns8xR6a

— ib (@Indian_Bronson) December 7, 2023

Meh. That guy is a little blowhard Trumpist who loves to play gotcha. Not a fan of Haley or her policy on Ukraine, but give me a break. His idol is a ****ing idiot who doesn't even have a firm grasp of the English language.

Christie took him down right after he said that. Knocked him on his ass.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-christie-slams-vivek-ramaswamy-as-america-s-most-obnoxious-blowhard-in-intense-exchange-at-fourth-gop-debate/ar-AA1l7Qhm

🚨🚨 Trump’s loyalty-first cabinet. EXCLUSIVE details: 1. Melania wants @tuckercarlson for VP. 2. Stephen Miller 4 Attorney General. 3. Tucker pushing Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff. 4. JD Vance up for a big gig, on VP short list… https://t.co/5sPvaeY2tM

— Jim VandeHei (@JimVandeHei) December 7, 2023

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Trump: "I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill."

Oso: Unacceptable!


Boy's gone full-on Democrat.

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Got to give Trump credit, that is an appealing message...

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Meh. That guy is a little blowhard Trumpist who loves to play gotcha. Not a fan of Haley or her policy on Ukraine, but give me a break. His idol is a ****ing idiot who doesn't even have a firm grasp of the English language.

Christie took him down right after he said that. Knocked him on his ass.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-christie-slams-vivek-ramaswamy-as-america-s-most-obnoxious-blowhard-in-intense-exchange-at-fourth-gop-debate/ar-AA1l7Qhm

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He was not the only one giving Nikki a beating

This was a good moment for Ron.

I like watching people bully nikki idc who. https://t.co/s9TqFY2Gan

— Cassandra MacDonald (@CassandraRules) December 7, 2023

I know the media likes to look at polling to explain minority support for Trump, but I think it tells you a lot less than watching videos like this and trying to imagine if any other Republicans could get such enthusiastic support from the same people. pic.twitter.com/IFjg5ZEVyk

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) December 7, 2023

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Meh. That guy is a little blowhard Trumpist who loves to play gotcha. Not a fan of Haley or her policy on Ukraine, but give me a break. His idol is a ****ing idiot who doesn't even have a firm grasp of the English language.

Christie took him down right after he said that. Knocked him on his ass.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-christie-slams-vivek-ramaswamy-as-america-s-most-obnoxious-blowhard-in-intense-exchange-at-fourth-gop-debate/ar-AA1l7Qhm

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He was not the only one giving Nikki a beating

This was a good moment for Ron.

I like watching people bully nikki idc who. https://t.co/s9TqFY2Gan

— Cassandra MacDonald (@CassandraRules) December 7, 2023

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Oh, I have no problem going after Haley on relevant issues, especially when its a counterattack, like Ron masterfully pulled off in that clip.

I'm just not a fan of Vivek's little gotcha games. One can attack another candidate's policies without insulting their intelligence. Vivek comes across as nothing more than a bully and a horse's ass, which is why the only thing he's angling for at this point is a seat in the Trump admin.

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I know the media likes to look at polling to explain minority support for Trump, but I think it tells you a lot less than watching videos like this and trying to imagine if any other Republicans could get such enthusiastic support from the same people. pic.twitter.com/IFjg5ZEVyk

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) December 7, 2023

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been telling yall.. Trumps base is growing and it isnt the typical GOP base

When DeSantis put the nail in Christie’s coffin. And I’m talking about more than this primary race. The GOP has no room for candidates who cannot, at a bare minimum, say, “No, you may not mutilate children and render them permanently infertile.”

pic.twitter.com/1VJvmnAoL1

— Megan Basham (@megbasham) December 7, 2023

RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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He is a process guy. Personally, I think either he or Christie are the only 2 that can give the Dems a fight. Not ideologically, but process. They both know how to use the systems in place to their advantage, something the Dems have had the high ground on for years.

Trump will be bogged down fighting personal fights for four years.

Haley is perceived to be in big businesses pocket, whether true or not the perception is hard to fight. If you are explaining you are losing.

Vivek? What can I say, if he wins I give up. Time to admit the world has passed me by and go find a small beach town to manage...

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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The fourth GOP debate basically ended the political careers of Haley and Christie. Even weak college indoctrinated GOP suburbanites who will tolerate the globalist agenda for a paycheck aren't on board with the trans the kids agenda... Especially when it costs little Susie her kick the spotted ball scholarship at the alma mater.

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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He is a process guy. Personally, I think either he or Christie are the only 2 that can give the Dems a fight. Not ideologically, but process. They both know how to use the systems in place to their advantage, something the Dems have had the high ground on for years.

Trump will be bogged down fighting personal fights for four years.

Haley is perceived to be in big businesses pocket, whether true or not the perception is hard to fight. If you are explaining you are losing.

Vivek? What can I say, if he wins I give up. Time to admit the world has passed me by and go find a small beach town to manage...

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Christie is the biggest loser of all. Only the neverTrumpers like him, and even then only for the purposes of bashing Trump, which he's not been terribly effective doing. Nobody even tries to make the case that he is a superior prospect either as candidate or President. You want a devastating landslide loss, put up Christie and watch what happens. He's a less-likeable version of Trump, a caricature with even more negatives and not one single positive.

Vivek is giving voice to a far bigger slice of the electorate than you realize. But I think he was too shrill at this last debate, which perhaps suggests his envelope is closing. He's not making any headway in polling in any of the early primary states. He has to make a flash early if he's going to remain relevant. But if all he does is drive Christie out of the race, he will have done creditable public service.

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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The fourth GOP debate basically ended the political careers of Haley and Christie. Even weak college indoctrinated GOP suburbanites who will tolerate the globalist agenda for a paycheck aren't on board with the trans the kids agenda.

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I agree on Christie. He got nothing positive to offer. His campaign is a condescending attack on the base of the party.

Haley is tougher than you think and some of the GOP establishment have moved on from RDS, so she will hang around and get a chance to bounce back.

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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He is a process guy. Personally, I think either he or Christie are the only 2 that can give the Dems a fight. Not ideologically, but process. They both know how to use the systems in place to their advantage, something the Dems have had the high ground on for years.

Trump will be bogged down fighting personal fights for four years.

Haley is perceived to be in big businesses pocket, whether true or not the perception is hard to fight. If you are explaining you are losing.

Vivek? What can I say, if he wins I give up. Time to admit the world has passed me by and go find a small beach town to manage...

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Christie is the biggest loser of all. Only the neverTrumpers like him, and even then only for the purposes of bashing Trump, which he's not been terribly effective doing. Nobody even tries to make the case that he is a superior prospect either as candidate or President. You want a devastating landslide loss, put up Christie and watch what happens. He's a less-likeable version of Trump, a caricature with even more negatives and not one single positive.

Vivek is giving voice to a far bigger slice of the electorate than you realize. But I think he was too shrill at this last debate, which perhaps suggests his envelope is closing. He's not making any headway in polling in any of the early primary states. He has to make a flash early if he's going to remain relevant. But if all he does is drive Christie out of the race, he will have done creditable public service.

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Didn't say he would win or even be liked. You are talking winning the election, I am talking effectiveness in the position. I said he and DeSantis have the ability to use the system to defeat the Dems. I don't believe the other 3 can for various reasons.

I don't think either have a shot at winning, sadly.

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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He is a process guy. Personally, I think either he or Christie are the only 2 that can give the Dems a fight. Not ideologically, but process. They both know how to use the systems in place to their advantage, something the Dems have had the high ground on for years.

Trump will be bogged down fighting personal fights for four years.

Haley is perceived to be in big businesses pocket, whether true or not the perception is hard to fight. If you are explaining you are losing.

Vivek? What can I say, if he wins I give up. Time to admit the world has passed me by and go find a small beach town to manage...

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Christie is the biggest loser of all. Only the neverTrumpers like him, and even then only for the purposes of bashing Trump, which he's not been terribly effective doing. Nobody even tries to make the case that he is a superior prospect either as candidate or President. You want a devastating landslide loss, put up Christie and watch what happens. He's a less-likeable version of Trump, a caricature with even more negatives and not one single positive.

Vivek is giving voice to a far bigger slice of the electorate than you realize. But I think he was too shrill at this last debate, which perhaps suggests his envelope is closing. He's not making any headway in polling in any of the early primary states. He has to make a flash early if he's going to remain relevant. But if all he does is drive Christie out of the race, he will have done creditable public service.

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Vivek is a fun canidate who says alot of the right things(sometimes in the wrong way) but not a serious one.. He is too much like Trump to get the non Trump vote and with Trump in the mix, he wont pull Trump voters. He might have had a chance without Trump but he has no chance with Trump in the race. His young energy and being unafraid to say things makes him relevant on the current political playing field. He might be able to turn this into a cabinet position if the GOP wins in 24 or set himself up for a congressional run.

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RDS had a good night. Haley getting exposed for her softness on social issues.

RDS proving himself to be a fighter. Process making him stronger.

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The fourth GOP debate basically ended the political careers of Haley and Christie. Even weak college indoctrinated GOP suburbanites who will tolerate the globalist agenda for a paycheck aren't on board with the trans the kids agenda... Especially when it costs little Susie her kick the spotted ball scholarship at the alma mater.

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Unfortunely I think Haley is here to stay on the national scene.

There is just too much Defense industry and Corporate big money in the GOP to let her go....they want a spokeswoman and she fits the bill.

I would even imagine in a new possible Republican Presidential cabinet she will get some kind of position.

She checks all the boxes they want.

Interventionist and aggressive on foreign policy...check
Female...check
Can claim "person of color"...check
Moderate to even liberal on social issues or at least very flexible on such issues...check.
No real moral code or political philosophy...check